newmans cams . . . .the result(kinda)

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #1
    well got back from chip wizards today, got 149.5bhp with a shagged crankshaft pulley which was knocking the timeing out every time, which aint to bad i suppose.
    so he wants me to go down again after its fixed to finish off the timing and mapping as he reckons he can get more out of them.




  2. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Northampton Posts: 587
    #2
    nice one mate, how much was the remap mate?
  3. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #3
    £475 mate, and another £100 when i go back down lol
  4. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 evesham, worcs United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3813 197 cup
    #4
    not bad considering the nakered crankshaft pulley! is yours a single plug or 3plug engine?
  5. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux
    #5
    list your spec aswell mate
  6. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 187
    #6
    I would say dissapointing results according your spec. Try to increase you compression ratio.
  7. L-plater Joined: Apr 2007 Warwick Posts: 66 Saxo 1.6 16v 2002
    #7
    not too bad
  8. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nassso View Post
    I would say dissapointing results according your spec. Try to increase you compression ratio.
    got a fucked pulley which was affecting it, the timing kept on fucking out

    when you going back down belly? should see 160+ dont forget what you promised
  9. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2003 Solihull, West midlands Posts: 114 Saxo VTS, VX220 Turbo
    #9
    Nice ATW figure considering the fucked crank pulley. What g/box are your running mate, S1 rallye?
  10. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts
    #10
    What spec has your car got?

    Single or 3 plug ecu?
  11. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 evesham, worcs United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3813 197 cup
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by riggsy View Post
    What spec has your car got?

    Single or 3 plug ecu?
    his specs in his sig

    and id also like to know what plug his ecu is
  12. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #12
    think his is a 3 plug ecu guys!
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts
    #13
    Ahh i see cheers Sam.

    Do you also have an uprated head....
  14. Established Member Joined: Dec 2004 Derby Posts: 1945 Pug 207
    #14
    Should see more with the pulley fixed (catcam recommended) & timings setup properly especially with the big valve ported & polished head as well...

    ManC
  15. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts
    #15
    I take it you didnt know this was broken before you put it in?
  16. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #16
    aye its a 3 plug ecu

    how could i increase compression ratio nassso? i thought increasing the compression on n/a cars was worse?

    im just runnin a standard gearbox neil

    i should be back down before the end of the month steve. with a new air filter(the raceland one is black with crap atm ) and new exhaust, so maybe 160 plus with everything fixed?

    ill keep the promice steve

    can anybody explain what the hell the green line is doing at the beginning???????????????????
  17. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #17
    lol nar i didnt know riggsy until wayne saw it kept loosin its timing and power.
    so least it was spotted before it nacked up completely
  18. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 187
    #18
    Increasing the compression ration is possible by head skimming or high comp pistons. The reason you are loosing power is because when you put aggressive cams they lower your stock compression ratio. If you increase you CR you will gain more power and torque especially lowdown torque.
  19. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #19
    think id see alot more power with high comp piston? i assumed the big valve head would of already been skimmed.
  20. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 278
    #20
    149 is not that good with all your mods
  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts
    #21
    Yes it is ^

    Ahh you got the 3 plug like me

    Got told wayne can get much more power out of the single.
  22. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #22
    i was a bit let down like by the power, but wayne tried to cheer me up by sayin it was down to the crank shaft pully, but we'l see at the next run if hes right

    lol aye curse of the 3plug
  23. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 evesham, worcs United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3813 197 cup
    #23
    thats seems to be fair power for a cammed 3plug vts anyway even with the damage crank pulley! think you should look into getting a gmc manifold mate, better gas flow, compared to the raceland
  24. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux
    #24
    it drive better though?
  25. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2006 Middlesex Posts: 6541 EVO FQ400
    #25
    not too bad mate.
  26. Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP
    #26
    so 134 at the wheels thats quite a loss, im sure it will be better when everythings sorted
  27. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2006 Co. Durham Posts: 2670 voiture tres rapide, deux ton
    #27
    when wayne was tlkin to us he said he can get about 5bhp more outta single plug
  28. Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP
    #28
    what was the place called you got it remapped from as i need to have a place in mind for when i get my cams
  29. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux
    #29
    chipwizards. you also mean cam
  30. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2006 Co. Durham Posts: 2670 voiture tres rapide, deux ton
    #30
    yep chipwizards, at manchester, the lads called wayne, sound as bloke, knows what hes doin like
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #31
    Very unsual results. The fly figure is not that bad, but the wheel figure is massive. 14bhp in losses for that amount of brake horse at the fly is crazy, and very odd. If you're actually getting readings of 134 BHP at the wheels, you should be very happy, that's a result IMO!

    Only thing, Wayne does the power runs in 5th gear, when really they should be done in 4th. Ask him about that when you see him next! I'm sure he'll mention something about getting better figures
  32. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #32
    Just to add, when I had my car mapped by Wayne, it was running just 708's at the time. It made 154 on his rollers at the fly, and 128 at the wheels. That's a fairly usual power loss, so you can see why your's seems quite unsual...
  33. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux
    #33
    toad it all seems to be odd, lol. will be interesting when he gets it properly done to see any changes
  34. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 sunny sunderland Posts: 705 jdm honda civic type-r
    #34
    not that bad mate with the problems what you have soon as you getthem sorted should be bout 155-160 ish hopefully eh? aye was talking to chris he was sayin that he was doing your car throughthe week mines in for a service on tuesday like
  35. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2006 Co. Durham Posts: 2670 voiture tres rapide, deux ton
    #35
    aye chris had a chew on wit the car belly was sayin, cuddnt get it running rite lol
  36. Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS
    #36
    I wouldnt be happy with that read out because of all the mods u have! Maybe when crank fixed then u get better results.
  37. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #37
    Sheesh. Didn't realise you had a big valve head... Still, the wheel figure is good. Don't think much about it for now, wait until it's ship shape and pass judgement from there.
  38. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #38
    get that raceland manifold off and go for the gmc new one

    fuck this low compression crap u dont need it look at chris's car his is 157.9 break and ians 160 plus theres aint done like that

    maybe go for a supersprint exhaust with one box in
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  39. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #39
    actually fuck that just get the crank pully fixed i want to see good power figures MR LOL

    I WANNA SEE BETTER THE CAT CAMS LOL
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  40. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 130
    #40
    what are the difference in power from the 1 and 3 plug ecu's??

    what will my t plate 106 gti be??
  41. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2006 Co. Durham Posts: 2670 voiture tres rapide, deux ton
    #41
    u reckon that the raceland manifold is holdin back sum pony's like lee?
  42. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2006 Co. Durham Posts: 2670 voiture tres rapide, deux ton
    #42
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dan-iow View Post
    what are the difference in power from the 1 and 3 plug ecu's??

    what will my t plate 106 gti be??
    ur 106 gti will have 120bhp, same as a vts standard,its just when wayne remaps the ecu,he says he can get more power out of a single plug one than a 3 plug one, around 5bhp more
  43. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux
    #43
    around 5bhp wayne says, youll be single
  44. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #44
    i defo think so mate tell belly to buy a GMC then he can have the power i had lol
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  45. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #45
    I'd be happy with a 150bhp Saxo
  46. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #46
    should be at least 160 is that bits and the big valve head
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  47. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #47
    The big valve head may not be the best mod with relation to peak power while still running standard inlet. I got more with mine, but the best thing about it, is that it will compliment throttle bodies if you decide to do that later on...
  48. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Guernsey Posts: 145 Renault Clio
    #48
    You went all the way to sunny Rochdale from Durham?????
  49. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #49
    the big head does go well on Ians throttle bodies
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  50. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #50
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by giorgio1712 View Post
    You went all the way to sunny Rochdale from Durham?????
    i went all teh way from northumberland!!

    why do people take RR figures sooo seriously when they can vary so much and so easily. as long as its mapped properly and running well thats what matters.

    adn this 3 plug less power stuff cant be taken seriously. mine made 152 @ waynes but finn's and camp daves made the good side of 160 with pretty muhc the same setup.
  51. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #51
    exactly 3 plugers = shit ha ha ha no no am only joking williams lol

    Am sure when Belly takes it back down he will get what he wants
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  52. Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198
    #52
    Belly- where did u get the newmans cams from and how much were they fella?

    Kev
  53. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6
    #53
    What Marc said, If it pulls hard and goes well, then who cares about figures! lol
  54. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #54
    the results are a bit odd as if the gearing was done correct - from that wheel figure I make it 159.2bhp All depends what gear the car is in to know if its being done correctly. You want the nearest gear for a 1:1 ratio - usually 3rd or 4th
  55. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #55
    wheel power does seem very high for the flywheel power.

    i hate the way he has his graphs in mph and not rpm aswell :mad:
  56. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #56
    Wayne does the runs in 5th... That gives higher fly figures... Odd how this one has very high wheel figures...
  57. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #57
    that should give lower figures at the wheels though
  58. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #58
    Exactly! That's what's so wierd about this case.
  59. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #59
    Belly got the Newman cams of the group buy on the 106 rally register
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  60. Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198
    #60
    where can i get a set from?

    and do ppl think they are worthy rivals for catcams 708s?
  61. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Track Thing
    #61
    i managed 137 @ wheels with vts engine fitted with 206 1.6 head, kms and 708's pulls really nice. dunno what it is @ fly....

    good luck with the new pulley!
  62. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #62
    cheers toad, i didnt realise how good the wheel figures where tbh, will he run it in 4th if i ask him to? he also said that the exhaust will be quite a restriction, so might be a plan to change that.

    ya think changing to a gmc mani will make much of a difference lee? or maybe to a 4-1


    it was only bout 80miles one way giorgio1712, plus i heard he was the best to go to.

    It doesn’t go all that good tbh, I left chipwizards wit about 140bhp with all the crap going on, and idle .

    Rafkev- I got the newmans cams for £217 delivered, if you phone newmans up and ask nicely they might let you have them for group buy price
  63. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #63
    where in durham are you from?? it took me about 3 hours to get there from mine.
  64. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #64
    i live just next to junction 61 mate, we left at bout 6 and got there bout 815. took me time aswell as the car kept cutting out lol
  65. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #65
    was his place what you were expecting??
    i wasnt expecting it to be on what looks like an old farm.
  66. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #66
    lolol, no way! looks like somebodys back garden. if i was to go off their web site and the look of the place........i wouldnt of touched it with a 50ft pole. but thankfully he knew what he was doin
  67. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #67
    is yours a 3 plug ecu? does it splutter on light throttle between 1.5k - 2k rpm?
  68. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #68
    aye its a 3plug, jerks alot aswell like it doesnt know what it wants to do. do you know if theres anybody up this way that will do a good remap?
  69. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #69
    i think someone had there vtr mapped near middlesborough, stifler69????

    john from GMC says its the misfire sensor that makes it run like that, not sure if ,when remapping a 3plug, it buggers the sensor or disturbs the signals from it. but mine and a few other remapped 3plugs have teh same jerky problem between 1.5k - 2k rpm.
  70. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #70
    Have I missed something here? What's this about leaving with 140 BHP???

    And why are you thinking of taking it somewhere else for a re-map, I thought Wayne just mappped it! So many questions, need to stay off the wine!
  71. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #71
    he had a loose/nobbed crank pulley so the timing get straying. meaning it couldnt be mapped properly.
  72. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #72
    So did Wayne not cut him a deal? It will only need a tweak on the current map SURELY? If not, well, that's just harsh.

    Belly, what did Wayne offer to you as a resolution?
  73. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #73
    This might help as a little rough guide. I've just picked up an S1 Rallye gearbox, which I'm installing shortly, so I thought I'd get the camera phone out and do a quick few tests - did this a couple of days ago. We're running similar mods, so check these quick clips out:

    This one is roughly 40 - 100 mph -
    http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=4qx8wsy

    This one is roughly 70 - 110 mph -
    http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=61nvzhs

    Notice in the second clip the pull from 95mph after changing to 4th gear, it pulls well. This is the biggest difference you notice IMO with more power, the difference at higher speeds. It never pulled anything like this before...

    If I can sort my starts out, I should be looking at 0 - 100 mph in roughly 14 seconds. Not bad considering the boggo standard time is 23 something...
  74. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #74
    wayne charged me the full wack, i dont blame him tho because he still has my car and messed about with it from about 10 till 530, but i think he said hel finish it off for about £100.
    them vids are immence toad, mine should be hopefully running something like that once all the problems are sorted? im hoping to get back down before next month fingers crossed
  75. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #75
    That's good of him. He's a good bloke isn't he? Some other folk might just tell you where to go. Instead, he's spent all that time and looked after you...
  76. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2006 essex near romford Posts: 774 a mk1 grey saxo vtr on throttle bodies mk6 faceli
    #76
    looking forward to completing my conversion. will have similar spec except big valve head. im going standalone though.
  77. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #77
    aye he does a good job like, and wont stop until he knows hes getting the most out of your car. just wasnt expecting it to be in amongst aload of terrist houses lol.
  78. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #78
    Ha! Cool though I thought. I've been to a fair few RR type places, and his gaff was mint!

    Yes mate, I'm more than certain that once you've got your bits and bobs all sorted, it will drive lovely. Mines stripped to fook though, which makes a fair 'ol difference.
  79. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2006 Co. Durham Posts: 2670 voiture tres rapide, deux ton
    #79
    belly lets strip it before we go down nxt time
  80. Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Scunthorpe\Doncaster Posts: 1121 Fiesta ST & Saxo VTS
    #80
    Hi,

    Looks good kinda wish i didnt sell my VTS and got my cams fitted and mapped lol (Never mind sure my new car will keep me going lol)

    Good result let me know what you make when the pulley is fixed mate.

    Tim
  81. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #81
    Thats a shame about the figure. Who fitted the cams did they not spot the problem. From my experiance the older model Gti's have been getting near on 160bhp while the 3 plugs have been getting 155 to 157bhp.

    I got 127.42 ATW without cams or my new 4-2-1 mani so it looks like there is something up. Hope you get it sorted mate!

    Did wayne higher your limiter as he has on some other cars due to the cam duration. Where's the power band now?
  82. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #82
    Should add to that the car wasn't standard it had a raceland with green filter and full de-cat magnex system.
  83. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #83
    I would get another RR test done.
  84. Established Member Joined: May 2005 Northern Ireland Posts: 1020 EVO 5, 306XLD
    #84
    as said should be even better once you have the prob sorted, toad what kinda spec u runnin from the vids yours seems to go very well!
  85. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2003 Solihull, West midlands Posts: 114 Saxo VTS, VX220 Turbo
    #85
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mardon View Post
    I got 127.42 ATW without cams or my new 4-2-1 mani so it looks like there is something up. Hope you get it sorted mate!
    I very much doubt you are running a 'true' 127bhp ATW with those mods. What are they std, 98bhp ATW? If so, 29bhp gain with just breathing mods, hmmmmm...........
  86. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2003 Solihull, West midlands Posts: 114 Saxo VTS, VX220 Turbo
    #86
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    This might help as a little rough guide. I've just picked up an S1 Rallye gearbox, which I'm installing shortly, so I thought I'd get the camera phone out and do a quick few tests - did this a couple of days ago. We're running similar mods, so check these quick clips out:

    This one is roughly 40 - 100 mph -
    http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=4qx8wsy

    This one is roughly 70 - 110 mph -
    http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=61nvzhs

    Notice in the second clip the pull from 95mph after changing to 4th gear, it pulls well. This is the biggest difference you notice IMO with more power, the difference at higher speeds. It never pulled anything like this before...

    If I can sort my starts out, I should be looking at 0 - 100 mph in roughly 14 seconds. Not bad considering the boggo standard time is 23 something...
    It looks pretty quick going by those vids toad , although I doubt it'll be capable of 0-100 in 14 secs unless you mean an 'indicated' 0-100 of 14 secs?
  87. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #87
    Well all the other cars on the day got accurate results as there were a few of us. Look in last months performance french cars. Also how many standard cars have made 130bhp (dont even wanna get into that) so another 12bhp or so from a filter and exhaust is quite plausible.

    Doesn't matter what car you have someone will always dispute RR figures. I know it goes very very well so that’s all that matter. I only stated my figure as a comparison. I can put the graph up if you want.
  88. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2003 Solihull, West midlands Posts: 114 Saxo VTS, VX220 Turbo
    #88
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mardon View Post
    Well all the other cars on the day got accurate results as there were a few of us. Look in last months performance french cars. Also how many standard cars have made 130bhp (dont even wanna get into that) so another 12bhp or so from a filter and exhaust is quite plausible.

    Doesn't matter what car you have someone will always dispute RR figures. I know it goes very very well so that’s all that matter. I only stated my figure as a comparison. I can put the graph up if you want.
    The RR figures always get disputed because of how over-inflated the results sometimes seem. I just find it hard to believe that a car with basic breathing mods could produce around 30bhp over standard! As you say though, it's how it goes is all that matters.
  89. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 evesham, worcs United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3813 197 cup
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mardon View Post
    Well all the other cars on the day got accurate results as there were a few of us. Look in last months performance french cars. Also how many standard cars have made 130bhp (dont even wanna get into that) so another 12bhp or so from a filter and exhaust is quite plausible.

    Doesn't matter what car you have someone will always dispute RR figures. I know it goes very very well so that’s all that matter. I only stated my figure as a comparison. I can put the graph up if you want.
    fly wheel figures yeh, not wheel figures
  90. Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198
    #90
    I may be missing something really obvious here but doesn't this mardon guy have a 106 gti?

    therefore he isn't getting 30bhp increase - only 7.42bhp!
  91. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #91
    Its at the wheel figure and it the same engine as a VTS
  92. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #92
    Yeah, it's not unlikely, it's completely impossible. END of!

    You will not go from 98 BHP at the wheels, to 127 BHP at the wheels with an air filter and an exhaust. If you want a true figure, go somewhere else for a readout.

    Thanks Neil, it's running well at the moment. I know what you mean about the speedo, always a debate. I need to get a 1/4 run done. I think somewhere in the mid 14's would be a real result.
  93. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #93
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chrisni1986 View Post
    as said should be even better once you have the prob sorted, toad what kinda spec u runnin from the vids yours seems to go very well!

    708's and a big valve head from Hiflowheads.
  94. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #94
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RAFkev View Post
    I may be missing something really obvious here but doesn't this mardon guy have a 106 gti?

    therefore he isn't getting 30bhp increase - only 7.42bhp!
    I think hes mixing up flywheel figures and wheel figures.

    Standard VTS is 120hp at the flywheel and around 100bhp at the wheels

    With breathing mods it possible to get 127hp at the flywheel. Impossible to get that at the wheels though.
  95. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #95
    a rolling road can still read innacurate. if its run in the wrong gear for example.

    a rolling road read out isnt the holy grail as ppl make out
  96. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #96
    Exactly, hence my first reply: "Get another RR done..."
  97. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #97
    Didn't want to start a flame war hence the other questions I asked in my initial post.

    http://www.peugeot-gti.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=59351

    Dont know if you can get on it or not, but there are the results for all cars on that day (with graphs).

    I agree you will not go from 100ATW to 127ATW if the car was 100 to start with. I have seen many results from different rollers where standard 16v engines have got over and under the quoted figures.
  98. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #98
    I will and it'll probably be better coz i'll have a new mani and ported throttle body fitted by then.

    Feel bad on the guy who started the post now because I didn't intend for this when I posted the result. If you wanna discuss it further i'll put up a new post with the graph so we can discuss it further there.
  99. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #99
    Actually sack that i've just been looking at the results and they do seem a little high 122.2 with a pug sport and KnN panel filter was another result. Any rollers at FCS?

    Anyway last on the subject apologies to the author of the thread.
  100. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #100
    i have made 163hp @ on just breathing mods before.
  101. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 evesham, worcs United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3813 197 cup
    #101
    did u ever get this remapped mate?
  102. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #102
    nar, i havent had the 2nd remap yet mate, got a oil leak from the head gasket that needs sortin before getting ragged on rollers
  103. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #103
    thought you just fitted new head gasket when you put head on??
  104. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #104
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    thought you just fitted new head gasket when you put head on??
    aye, a new head gasket went on, its dripping from the front corner of the block.
    wayne pointed out the drip after he took the car off the rollers, but i was hoping it was from a car that had been on before
  105. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 evesham, worcs United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3813 197 cup
    #105
    shit to hear that mate, let us know whats happens with it tho
  106. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    a rolling road can still read innacurate. if its run in the wrong gear for example.

    a rolling road read out isnt the holy grail as ppl make out
    spot on there. Basically I use RRs to gauge how well a given mod works on my engine.. not as a comparism to others.

    Will be interesting to see how much difference fixng the car will make to the end result. Should be a good performing engine judging by the spec
  107. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #107
    come on steve bell'end get it sorted so i can have a drive, still not got it booked in?
  108. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp
    #108
    patients ya lil tart, need the oil leak fixing 1st
  109. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #109
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by belly_VTS View Post
    patients ya lil tart, need the oil leak fixing 1st
    then broom broom broom