Which VTR?

1. Matt-VTR L-plater Joined: May 2007 Barnsley Posts: 99 MK2 VTR

   #1 12th May 2007, 12:44

   Hi all, still looking for a VTR..
   
   Im wondering, is there much difference in performance between the facelift and prefacelift? MPG a lot different? Overall which is better?
   
   I'm working to a smallish budget (2k) so havent got loads to spend, in two minds whether to get an older (R,S,T) one and have some cash to personalise it to my taste, or get a new one with the full ammount?
   
   Which would you reccomend?
   
   Thanks a lot for any help!!
2. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #2 12th May 2007, 12:49

   personally i'd buy the 90bhp VTR which you can buy in both Mk1 and Mk2 styles. I say this as its more convienient to modify, for example if you want to add a manifold to the 98bhp VTR then you would be decatting it too, so you would either have to put the original mani back on for MOT or put a Mk1 exhaust system on, also you would have to relocate the oil filter and buy a lamba sensor sleeve on the 98bhp engine, but not on the 90bhp version.
   if you later decide to cam it and are wanting a remap, the 98bhp version of the engine is a 3 plug ECU which is a ball ache to map, whereas the 90bhp version is single plug and a doddle to do!
   
   just a couple of reasons why i'd buy the 90bhp version, like i said you can buy it in the MK1 and Mk2 styles, i have the Mk2 90bhp Saxo VTR!
   
   hope this helps
   
   Oli
3. Matt-VTR L-plater Joined: May 2007 Barnsley Posts: 99 MK2 VTR

   #3 12th May 2007, 12:53

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by S34MER personally i'd buy the 90bhp VTR which you can buy in both Mk1 and Mk2 styles. I say this as its more convienient to modify, for example if you want to add a manifold to the 98bhp VTR then you would be decatting it too, so you would either have to put the original mani back on for MOT or put a Mk1 exhaust system on, also you would have to relocate the oil filter and buy a lamba sensor sleeve on the 98bhp engine, but not on the 90bhp version. if you later decide to cam it and are wanting a remap, the 98bhp version of the engine is a 3 plug ECU which is a ball ache to map, whereas the 90bhp version is single plug and a doddle to do! just a couple of reasons why i'd buy the 90bhp version, like i said you can buy it in the MK1 and Mk2 styles, i have the Mk2 90bhp Saxo VTR! hope this helps Oli

   Thanks for that mate, when did the 98bhp come out, what years are they? (Reg)
   I thought at first it was just the MK2s that had 98bhp. I'm wrong obviously lol. So you'd reccomend MK2 90bhp?
   
   Isnt the MPG in the 90bhp poor?
4. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #4 12th May 2007, 12:54

   98bhp 2001 cars onwards.
5. Matt-VTR L-plater Joined: May 2007 Barnsley Posts: 99 MK2 VTR

   #5 12th May 2007, 12:58

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 98bhp 2001 cars onwards.

   Oh right, read on parkers and a few others, most tell different things. Parkers says '99 onwards??
   
   So the 98bhp is out of the window anyway!
6. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #6 12th May 2007, 12:59

   no not that bad at all mate tbh on the motorway i get 38MPG with a 4-2-1 manifold, full exhaust system and an enclosed induction kit!
7. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #7 12th May 2007, 13:02

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Matt-VTR Oh right, read on parkers and a few others, most tell different things. Parkers says '99 onwards?? So the 98bhp is out of the window anyway!

   phase 2 saxos were late 99.
   
   but phase two vtrs didnt all come with the 98 engine, they started with the usual 90bhp silvertop.
8. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #8 12th May 2007, 13:04

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 phase 2 saxos were late 99. but phase two vtrs didnt all come with the 98 engine, they started with the usual 90bhp silvertop.

   .......then changed to the 98bhp engine in 2001
9. Matt-VTR L-plater Joined: May 2007 Barnsley Posts: 99 MK2 VTR

   #9 12th May 2007, 13:06

   Glad I asked this now, I'd have gone for a mk2 and thought it was the 98bhp!
   
   Might have to go for the mk1 now, not too sure on which looks I preffer though, with a small budget too..
10. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #10 12th May 2007, 13:08

    why not go for the Mk2 90bhp VTR
11. Matt-VTR L-plater Joined: May 2007 Barnsley Posts: 99 MK2 VTR

    #11 12th May 2007, 13:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER why not go for the Mk2 90bhp VTR

    Top end of my budget really, seen a couple but they're £1800+
12. milesg Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Northampton Posts: 587

    #12 12th May 2007, 14:07

    would go for a mk1 mate, something around a 1998,should get 1 for 1000-1200 and then you have cash for whatever else you want, e.g lowering and alloys, or a sound system or a few engine mods, like manifold, full exhaust system and a enclosed air filter,
13. milesg Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Northampton Posts: 587

    #13 12th May 2007, 14:09

    although if you have a really good look around you can sometimes find the 2000 vtr, mk2 with 90bhp for around the 1500 mark, so its down to what front end you want mate.
14. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #14 12th May 2007, 14:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER .......then changed to the 98bhp engine in 2001

    as i had allreadys stated if you read my previous post
15. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #15 12th May 2007, 15:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 as i had allreadys stated if you read my previous post

    i was just reitterating what you had said
    
    also if you go for mk1, then bear in mind its older, and there is more likely to be more wear on the parts than a newer model
    
    unless of course it has been well looked after and faulty parts replaced!
16. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #16 12th May 2007, 16:03

    go for a phase1 silver top and save yourself the money
17. Matt-VTR L-plater Joined: May 2007 Barnsley Posts: 99 MK2 VTR

    #17 12th May 2007, 16:54

    Thanks everyone. Think I'm going for the MK1 unless theres a dirt cheap MK2 (Unlikely)
18. nathb84 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 468 Saxo VTR

    #18 12th May 2007, 17:01

    i prefer the look of the mark one to be honest (not bias at all). Anyway gonna hijack the thread slighty cause i as far i was aware the vtr came with three engines, not just two. A black top first of all the then two different types of silver top. What is the difference between them all?
19. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #19 12th May 2007, 17:03

    Mk2s look a hell of alot better imo
    
    But yeah as said if you want to decat the 98bhp you have to change the whole manifold which means swapping this back come mot time.
20. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #20 12th May 2007, 17:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nathb84 Anyway gonna hijack the thread slighty cause i as far i was aware the vtr came with three engines, not just two. A black top first of all the then two different types of silver top. What is the difference between them all?

    black top = 90bhp
    <2001 silvertop = 90bhp
    2001> silvertop = 98bhp
21. Matt-VTR L-plater Joined: May 2007 Barnsley Posts: 99 MK2 VTR

    #21 12th May 2007, 17:05

    When did they stop doing black top, people reccomend silvertop?
22. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #22 12th May 2007, 17:11

    blacktop were the very first engine to be made! about 10 years old now easy!
23. Matt-VTR L-plater Joined: May 2007 Barnsley Posts: 99 MK2 VTR

    #23 12th May 2007, 17:11

    Oh right, bit too old that I think..
    
    Sorry to ask so many questions
24. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #24 12th May 2007, 17:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Matt-VTR Oh right, bit too old that I think.. Sorry to ask so many questions

    hey if you don't ask questions, you don't find out the answers
25. nathb84 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 468 Saxo VTR

    #25 12th May 2007, 17:16

    so whats the difference between the two 90 bhp engines? why did they bother to change it?
26. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #26 12th May 2007, 17:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nathb84 so whats the difference between the two 90 bhp engines? why did they bother to change it?

    because things progress over the years! they do it with all cars. not sure what the main reason for the changes were though!
27. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #27 12th May 2007, 17:24

    If you have a search its been asked before
28. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #28 12th May 2007, 18:17

    the black top has a dizzy the silvertop is on coil and thats about it, but it does make alot of difference when you watch the engine side by side, my mates 140,000k silvertop used to pull away from my 50k black top
29. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #29 12th May 2007, 18:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom the black top has a dizzy the silvertop is on coil and thats about it, but it does make alot of difference when you watch the engine side by side, my mates 140,000k silvertop used to pull away from my 50k black top

    also has differnet tappets.
    
    the blacktop engine was used to good success in the s2 rallye and produced better power than a vtr due to a revised cam and ecu
30. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #30 12th May 2007, 19:07

    any of them do 60 in second?
31. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #31 12th May 2007, 19:08

    No its only your vts that does it that quick Bullit.