anyone know where i could get a lightened and balanced flywheels
Lightened Flywheels
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#2think Repairgeot do them, not sure though!
what other mods do you have?
also try posting in the correct section for a better response mate
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#3well i am going to get a black diamond clutch. I have full exhaust and decat and induction kit also oreded manifold
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#4mongo question......how heavy are standard flywheels to lightened????
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#5well my m8 has got a focus wit one on and there are various weights u can get
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#6why are you replacing your clutch, does it need it?
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#7what weight are we talking here 10kg -20kg???
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#8my m8 has one that weighs 4 pounds apparently
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#9i wouldn't do it to mine personally, although it will improve acceleration, as it will use less power to get it moving. but you realise if its not done properly and you make it too light you will loose lots of torque, and your idle will be lumpy as fook!
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#10how heavys his old one then??
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#11yeah and they can explode. as well lol
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#12would it not be easier to lose a few pounds yourself?
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#13firstly put this in the right section..
eg engines.
it is where you will get information rather than comments by people who dont know what they are talking about!
i have never heard of a flywheel explode.
ring matt at qep and speak to him.
a std fly is only about 7.5kgs irc, it gets reduced down to about 5.9 or something not a huge ammount.
also black diamond clutches are shit. std valeo is much better and will last longer -
#15weight on the engine/transmission is different to weight of the car though, light weight flywheels are not there for 'power to weight' of the whol car, which most people do by stripping its a tad more complex than that.
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#16i wouldnt bother mate it dont reduce the weight by alot
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#18I might get this done as it will allow the engine to rev out quicker without putting excess stress on other components..
It revs out quicker as the engine doesn't have to get a big heavy piece of metal up and spinning, so when its lightened it can spin the flywheel easier therefore revving out quicker..
Also compared to other car manufacturers, TU engines have lighter flywheels than their rivals, hence why cit can get a 1.4 8v with 75 bhp to 60 alot quicker than vauxhall can for example with a 1.4 8v engine in a corsa B producing the same power.
thats a very rough explanation, a shite one to be honest.. hard yto explain on a forum but its different as said than losing overall weight of the car.. -
#19QEP do flywheels £120 + VAT
Mine looks like this

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#20looks good mate.. really wana do it to mine now..
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#21One of my mates has one on a 2.0 Redtop and it revs like a motorbike would, its ace.....
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#22I want!!
Defo my next mod i think, try and get it before the ring trip.. may be pushing it though.. -
#23Just got one form QEP fitted. Its great nice for reving when your changing down coming up to roundabouts etc.
Got a manifold fitted at the same time so I can't say which makes the most difference but the car definatly is a fair bit quicker.
I got a blackdiamond fitted at the same time. Can't comment on how long they last but I like the clutch. It bights well and is easy to use in traffic. -
#24well i have repaced a gearbox and repaired a bulk head on a ford orion that a flywheel has exploded on dan blown the bell housing 2 bitsQuote:firstly put this in the right section..
eg engines.
it is where you will get information rather than comments by people who dont know what they are talking about!
i have never heard of a flywheel explode.
ring matt at qep and speak to him.
a std fly is only about 7.5kgs irc, it gets reduced down to about 5.9 or something not a huge ammount.
also black diamond clutches are shit. std valeo is much better and will last longer -
#25anyone got the number or website adress for qep
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#28Just got my £47 refund for the return of my flywheel. Good service from them!
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#29been searching up on this, james you get it done?
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#32a man after my own heartQuote:They are really not that great and cost a lot for what they are. Just get a stock Valeo as its better and cheap
lol!!
alot of people dont realise that the valeo clutch is actually a good clutch for standard.
black diamond ive never heard a good report over -
#34Also TU flywheels are dowled, which is usually something competition/top sports cars have, this helps to stop the bolts shearing off which hold the flywheel on..
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#35Ryan, are you sure about the weight? I don't know much about the actual weight, but I had a gander in the motorsport section of the Tweaks catalogue and there's a company that sell (already lightened) flywheels. The one for the VTS / 106 GTI is £300 and weighs 3.5 kg. That's about half what you mentioned... Any ideas?
James has already mentioned why the weight is more important than simply reducing weight in the actual vehicle. It's all about reducing the rotational mass. Similar to why people start to lightened the bottom end of race engines. The lighter the crank is (and also the better balanced it is) it will free up bhp as it's easier to rotate... -
#37as i said it was an approximateQuote:Ryan, are you sure about the weight? I don't know much about the actual weight, but I had a gander in the motorsport section of the Tweaks catalogue and there's a company that sell (already lightened) flywheels. The one for the VTS / 106 GTI is £300 and weighs 3.5 kg. That's about half what you mentioned... Any ideas?
James has already mentioned why the weight is more important than simply reducing weight in the actual vehicle. It's all about reducing the rotational mass. Similar to why people start to lightened the bottom end of race engines. The lighter the crank is (and also the better balanced it is) it will free up bhp as it's easier to rotate... -
#38I dunno, you might be spot on... Maybe that place lightens the stock flywheel by nearly half...
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#39for £300 id hope its a brand new billet flywheel.
not a std one machined -
#40I'll take another gander at the catalogue this evening... When I'm on the bog.
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#41my m8 got his flywheel lighted by a local machine shop for around £40 it made his accellerate better but as soon as he hit any hills you could tell it lost some torque compared to standard
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#42David Barker wont be happy about some of the comments on that thread all his work by the looks of things and its all copyrighted I had a good look into this a while ago and Im sure it came to the conclusion that only about half a kg can be taken off safely?
Think the thing to do is get a completely different flywheel thats been designed to be light and thats balanced think I saw a pugsport one a while ago and it was about £1000ish
Have a read of http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/FLYWHEEL.htm for the effects its not just about the weight removed more so the moment of inertia i.e. weight taken away from the edge of the flywheel would lower the inertia more than the same weight taken away from near the center . Id get someone who knows what theyre doing to lighten it though if your going to lighten the standard one -
#43Just get a purpose built flywheel..Highflow i think it was or may have been QEP quoted me £65 for a new lightened and balanced one..
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#44That's correct. It's just like wheels... You want the weight nearer the centre as oppsoed to the outside.
In simple terms, have you ever spun around in an office chair, and seen what happens when you put your arms right out, and then pull them inwards? You'll spin much quicker when you pull them in.
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#45I haven't really thought about the drop in torque. I assume that's to do with the weight of the flywheel as well as the moment of inertia. Once it gets spinning, the heavier one will have more energy stored... Hence, more power to carry it up a hill. Not sure really.
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#46I dont really think its an issue tbh..Quote:I haven't really thought about the drop in torque. I assume that's to do with the weight of the flywheel as well as the moment of inertia. Once it gets spinning, the heavier one will have more energy stored... Hence, more power to carry it up a hill. Not sure really.
N/A engines especially cammed ones produce their power high up in the rev range..When going up hill you tend to rev a N/A engine quite high not at like 3k rpm..
Thats why the small loss in torque isn't an issue imo..I know if you have more torque that helps you accelerate but by having a lightened flywheel the car will accelerate quicker anyway..
Also i always knew the TU engines had light flywheels compared to other manufacture's cars, but when i removed the one off my 1400 engine it weighed F'all tbh... -
#47sometimes its worth looking at using a smaller flywheel from say a 1.1 model of your car and then fitting a high performance clutch to give the same / better bite. This can save more weight that lightening a heavier one.
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#48how easy would this be to do yourself?
well i say myself, i mean i could get my dad to do it as he has worked in a machine/manufacturing workshop since his apprenticeship and can get anything done, and i mean anything (pretty much).
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#49Did you see the pictures of what happens if its done wrong?? Imagine a piece of flywheel coming out at 7000rpm, coming through the bulkhead and hitting you in the nads?? Think its more trouble than its worth unless you have an extra high revving engine could even put some lighter wheels on
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#50already got lighter wheels on, and stripping car at the weekend.
was just asking really, as i don't think it would trouble my dad.
he stage 3'd my A-series head for my mini, and makes anything i want or need. may even be able to make me custom wavy discs soon. -
#51Quote:how easy would this be to do yourself?
well i say myself, i mean i could get my dad to do it as he has worked in a machine/manufacturing workshop since his apprenticeship and can get anything done, and i mean anything (pretty much).
cheers
ts easy to do your self because the flywheel has already been balanced you can just lathe it down to what you want. you wont need to get it rebalanced as i sent 2 away to make sure and they didnt need to be. just make sure you stay away from theback bit from the face to ring gear as there is somtimes only about 5mm think in places.
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#52oh right cheers.
my try it out, get hold of a standard vts fly and let my dad have a go at it. -
#56cant get the link as its on ebay.
just type in saxo clutch, should come up.
how much with postage? -
#58ok cool.
will have i think as i have the mot this month (should be fine), want to get my dash flocked and i need new glasses as mine ar proper fooked. haha -
#59As expected, I took a nice dump yesterday, so I took the opportunity to have another gander at the Tweaks catalogue. That flywheel was £300 for the 106 GTI, and it was made from Billet Aluminium. Whatever that is...
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#60billet aluminium, is where the finished product is made from one solid lump of ally.
so its done in one go and its not different parts stuck together.
will be stronger due to the machining process, due to heat treatments and grain structure and grain direction.
also, alot lighter. -
#61IIRC, it was 3.5 kg. Don't know what the stock figure is.
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#62as i thought, wasnt the fidenza one by anycahcnce?Quote:As expected, I took a nice dump yesterday, so I took the opportunity to have another gander at the Tweaks catalogue. That flywheel was £300 for the 106 GTI, and it was made from Billet Aluminium. Whatever that is...
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#64I had a lightened flywheel on my mi16 from QEP and although they only took off about a kg of weight the transformation was very noticable. What you have to remember is that it speeds up acceleration in all instances, so thats when you hit the gas pedal or lift off to slow
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#66Not until this evening you fiesty fella you.
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#67What's the conclusion here then? Is it OK for the likes of QEP to do the work on a flywheel for you? Or should you go for an aftermarket one?
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#68qep ive never heard a problem with one of their flywheels
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#69all depends on how much money you want to burn and whether you are happy with the disadvantages of a pure race item on a road car.
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#70QEP it is then. Another item to add to the shopping list. Nice one chaps!
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#71How about this for lightened.........
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#73doesnt look like a TU flywheel to me.
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#75blah lbah blah... cba'd to read through although im sure some mofo will have stated already that a lightened flywheel is totally unnecessaray on a saxo, unless the car is a 'no expenses spared' track weapon.
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#76I wouldnt like to guess new!
Its a Peugeot 405 BTCC flywheel and a new quartermaster 5.5" twin plate clutch. I have a new transmission for my 205
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#77how hard is it to lighten a flywheel then?
I am a machinist by trade by the way. I am assuming they have to be spot on, but would it be possible to skim on using a lathe if it all runs true? -
#79Quote:how hard is it to lighten a flywheel then?
I am a machinist by trade by the way. I am assuming they have to be spot on, but would it be possible to skim on using a lathe if it all runs true?
dont think they take it off the face mate, i think they lighten and balance it be removing the weight in different places. lke o a tyre balancing machine.
