Lightened Flywheels

  1. #1
    anyone know where i could get a lightened and balanced flywheels
  2. #2
    think Repairgeot do them, not sure though!

    what other mods do you have?

    also try posting in the correct section for a better response mate
  3. #3
    well i am going to get a black diamond clutch. I have full exhaust and decat and induction kit also oreded manifold
  4. #4
    mongo question......how heavy are standard flywheels to lightened????
  5. #5
    well my m8 has got a focus wit one on and there are various weights u can get
  6. #6
    why are you replacing your clutch, does it need it?
  7. #7
    what weight are we talking here 10kg -20kg???
  8. #8
    my m8 has one that weighs 4 pounds apparently
  9. #9
    i wouldn't do it to mine personally, although it will improve acceleration, as it will use less power to get it moving. but you realise if its not done properly and you make it too light you will loose lots of torque, and your idle will be lumpy as fook!

    why are you changing the clutch?
  10. #10
    how heavys his old one then??
  11. #11
    yeah and they can explode. as well lol
  12. #12
    would it not be easier to lose a few pounds yourself?
  13. #13
    firstly put this in the right section..

    eg engines.

    it is where you will get information rather than comments by people who dont know what they are talking about!

    i have never heard of a flywheel explode.

    ring matt at qep and speak to him.

    a std fly is only about 7.5kgs irc, it gets reduced down to about 5.9 or something not a huge ammount.

    also black diamond clutches are shit. std valeo is much better and will last longer
  14. #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post

    a std fly is only about 7.5kgs irc, it gets reduced down to about 5.9 or something not a huge ammount.

    thats the answer im looking for seeing that i see no point in fitting one.Youd be better off stripping it out imo.
  15. #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by liamk15 View Post
    thats the answer im looking for seeing that i see no point in fitting one.Youd be better off stripping it out imo.
    weight on the engine/transmission is different to weight of the car though, light weight flywheels are not there for 'power to weight' of the whol car, which most people do by stripping its a tad more complex than that.
  16. #16
    i wouldnt bother mate it dont reduce the weight by alot
  17. #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tobs View Post
    i wouldnt bother mate it dont reduce the weight by alot
    do you know why its done though thats the question? the actual physics behind it?
  18. #18
    I might get this done as it will allow the engine to rev out quicker without putting excess stress on other components..

    It revs out quicker as the engine doesn't have to get a big heavy piece of metal up and spinning, so when its lightened it can spin the flywheel easier therefore revving out quicker..

    Also compared to other car manufacturers, TU engines have lighter flywheels than their rivals, hence why cit can get a 1.4 8v with 75 bhp to 60 alot quicker than vauxhall can for example with a 1.4 8v engine in a corsa B producing the same power.

    thats a very rough explanation, a shite one to be honest.. hard yto explain on a forum but its different as said than losing overall weight of the car..
  19. #19
    QEP do flywheels £120 + VAT

    Mine looks like this



  20. #20
    looks good mate.. really wana do it to mine now..
  21. #21
    One of my mates has one on a 2.0 Redtop and it revs like a motorbike would, its ace.....
  22. #22
    I want!!

    Defo my next mod i think, try and get it before the ring trip.. may be pushing it though..
  23. #23
    Just got one form QEP fitted. Its great nice for reving when your changing down coming up to roundabouts etc.

    Got a manifold fitted at the same time so I can't say which makes the most difference but the car definatly is a fair bit quicker.

    I got a blackdiamond fitted at the same time. Can't comment on how long they last but I like the clutch. It bights well and is easy to use in traffic.
  24. #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    firstly put this in the right section..

    eg engines.

    it is where you will get information rather than comments by people who dont know what they are talking about!

    i have never heard of a flywheel explode.

    ring matt at qep and speak to him.

    a std fly is only about 7.5kgs irc, it gets reduced down to about 5.9 or something not a huge ammount.

    also black diamond clutches are shit. std valeo is much better and will last longer
    well i have repaced a gearbox and repaired a bulk head on a ford orion that a flywheel has exploded on dan blown the bell housing 2 bits
  25. #25
    anyone got the number or website adress for qep
  26. #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smearsvtr View Post
    well i have repaced a gearbox and repaired a bulk head on a ford orion that a flywheel has exploded on dan blown the bell housing 2 bits

    its not a TU engine though is it?
  27. #27
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smearsvtr View Post
    anyone got the number or website adress for qep
    google is your friend mate

    www.q-e-p.co.uk
  28. #28
    Just got my £47 refund for the return of my flywheel. Good service from them!
  29. #29
    been searching up on this, james you get it done?
  30. #30
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smearsvtr View Post
    well i am going to get a black diamond clutch

    They are really not that great and cost a lot for what they are. Just get a stock Valeo as its better and cheap
  31. #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by James_Bristol View Post
    Also compared to other car manufacturers, TU engines have lighter flywheels than their rivals
    Very True.
  32. #32
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AXracing View Post
    They are really not that great and cost a lot for what they are. Just get a stock Valeo as its better and cheap
    a man after my own heart

    lol!!

    alot of people dont realise that the valeo clutch is actually a good clutch for standard.

    black diamond ive never heard a good report over
  33. #33
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steve_VTS View Post
    been searching up on this, james you get it done?
    No..lol

    Going to get one for my new engine i expect..If i dont use my current bottom end..
  34. #34
    Also TU flywheels are dowled, which is usually something competition/top sports cars have, this helps to stop the bolts shearing off which hold the flywheel on..
  35. #35
    Ryan, are you sure about the weight? I don't know much about the actual weight, but I had a gander in the motorsport section of the Tweaks catalogue and there's a company that sell (already lightened) flywheels. The one for the VTS / 106 GTI is £300 and weighs 3.5 kg. That's about half what you mentioned... Any ideas?

    James has already mentioned why the weight is more important than simply reducing weight in the actual vehicle. It's all about reducing the rotational mass. Similar to why people start to lightened the bottom end of race engines. The lighter the crank is (and also the better balanced it is) it will free up bhp as it's easier to rotate...
  36. #36
    http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/engin...l-lighten.html

    adam
  37. #37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    Ryan, are you sure about the weight? I don't know much about the actual weight, but I had a gander in the motorsport section of the Tweaks catalogue and there's a company that sell (already lightened) flywheels. The one for the VTS / 106 GTI is £300 and weighs 3.5 kg. That's about half what you mentioned... Any ideas?

    James has already mentioned why the weight is more important than simply reducing weight in the actual vehicle. It's all about reducing the rotational mass. Similar to why people start to lightened the bottom end of race engines. The lighter the crank is (and also the better balanced it is) it will free up bhp as it's easier to rotate...
    as i said it was an approximate
  38. #38
    I dunno, you might be spot on... Maybe that place lightens the stock flywheel by nearly half...
  39. #39
    for £300 id hope its a brand new billet flywheel.

    not a std one machined
  40. #40
    I'll take another gander at the catalogue this evening... When I'm on the bog.
  41. #41
    my m8 got his flywheel lighted by a local machine shop for around £40 it made his accellerate better but as soon as he hit any hills you could tell it lost some torque compared to standard
  42. #42
    David Barker won’t be happy about some of the comments on that thread… all his work by the looks of things and it’s all copyrighted… I had a good look into this a while ago and I’m sure it came to the conclusion that only about half a kg can be taken off safely?

    Think the thing to do is get a completely different flywheel that’s been designed to be light and that’s balanced… think I saw a pugsport one a while ago and it was about £1000ish

    Have a read of http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/FLYWHEEL.htm for the effects… its not just about the weight removed more so the moment of inertia i.e. weight taken away from the edge of the flywheel would lower the inertia more than the same weight taken away from near the center…. I’d get someone who knows what they’re doing to lighten it though if your going to lighten the standard one…
  43. #43
    Just get a purpose built flywheel..Highflow i think it was or may have been QEP quoted me £65 for a new lightened and balanced one..
  44. #44
    That's correct. It's just like wheels... You want the weight nearer the centre as oppsoed to the outside.

    In simple terms, have you ever spun around in an office chair, and seen what happens when you put your arms right out, and then pull them inwards? You'll spin much quicker when you pull them in.
  45. #45
    I haven't really thought about the drop in torque. I assume that's to do with the weight of the flywheel as well as the moment of inertia. Once it gets spinning, the heavier one will have more energy stored... Hence, more power to carry it up a hill. Not sure really.
  46. #46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    I haven't really thought about the drop in torque. I assume that's to do with the weight of the flywheel as well as the moment of inertia. Once it gets spinning, the heavier one will have more energy stored... Hence, more power to carry it up a hill. Not sure really.
    I dont really think its an issue tbh..

    N/A engines especially cammed ones produce their power high up in the rev range..When going up hill you tend to rev a N/A engine quite high not at like 3k rpm..

    Thats why the small loss in torque isn't an issue imo..I know if you have more torque that helps you accelerate but by having a lightened flywheel the car will accelerate quicker anyway..

    Also i always knew the TU engines had light flywheels compared to other manufacture's cars, but when i removed the one off my 1400 engine it weighed F'all tbh...
  47. #47
    sometimes its worth looking at using a smaller flywheel from say a 1.1 model of your car and then fitting a high performance clutch to give the same / better bite. This can save more weight that lightening a heavier one.
  48. #48
    how easy would this be to do yourself?

    well i say myself, i mean i could get my dad to do it as he has worked in a machine/manufacturing workshop since his apprenticeship and can get anything done, and i mean anything (pretty much).

    cheers
  49. #49
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 View Post
    how easy would this be to do yourself?

    well i say myself, i mean i could get my dad to do it as he has worked in a machine/manufacturing workshop since his apprenticeship and can get anything done, and i mean anything (pretty much).

    cheers
    Did you see the pictures of what happens if it’s done wrong?? Imagine a piece of flywheel coming out at 7000rpm, coming through the bulkhead and hitting you in the nads?? Think it’s more trouble than its worth unless you have an extra high revving engine… could even put some lighter wheels on…
  50. #50
    already got lighter wheels on, and stripping car at the weekend.

    was just asking really, as i don't think it would trouble my dad.

    he stage 3'd my A-series head for my mini, and makes anything i want or need. may even be able to make me custom wavy discs soon.
  51. #51
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 View Post
    how easy would this be to do yourself?

    well i say myself, i mean i could get my dad to do it as he has worked in a machine/manufacturing workshop since his apprenticeship and can get anything done, and i mean anything (pretty much).

    cheers

    ts easy to do your self because the flywheel has already been balanced you can just lathe it down to what you want. you wont need to get it rebalanced as i sent 2 away to make sure and they didnt need to be. just make sure you stay away from theback bit from the face to ring gear as there is somtimes only about 5mm think in places.
    adam
  52. #52
    oh right cheers.

    my try it out, get hold of a standard vts fly and let my dad have a go at it.
  53. #53
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 View Post
    oh right cheers.

    my try it out, get hold of a standard vts fly and let my dad have a go at it.
    ive got a fly for £30 plus PP if you want it to piss about with
  54. #54
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    ive got a fly for £30 plus PP if you want it to piss about with
    is it a vts one?

    and would it be worth fitting an uprated clutch? say like the techniclutch one.
  55. #55
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 View Post
    is it a vts one?

    and would it be worth fitting an uprated clutch? say like the techniclutch one.
    gti one.

    techniclutch? link never heard of it. std valeos i personally think are fine.
  56. #56
    cant get the link as its on ebay.

    just type in saxo clutch, should come up.

    how much with postage?
  57. #57
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 View Post
    cant get the link as its on ebay.

    just type in saxo clutch, should come up.

    how much with postage?
    lol ebay clutch! standard valeos are fine.

    not got any experience with the techniclutch.

    prob be £10 pp ish.
  58. #58
    ok cool.

    will have i think as i have the mot this month (should be fine), want to get my dash flocked and i need new glasses as mine ar proper fooked. haha
  59. #59
    As expected, I took a nice dump yesterday, so I took the opportunity to have another gander at the Tweaks catalogue. That flywheel was £300 for the 106 GTI, and it was made from Billet Aluminium. Whatever that is...
  60. #60
    billet aluminium, is where the finished product is made from one solid lump of ally.

    so its done in one go and its not different parts stuck together.

    will be stronger due to the machining process, due to heat treatments and grain structure and grain direction.

    also, alot lighter.
  61. #61
    IIRC, it was 3.5 kg. Don't know what the stock figure is.
  62. #62
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    As expected, I took a nice dump yesterday, so I took the opportunity to have another gander at the Tweaks catalogue. That flywheel was £300 for the 106 GTI, and it was made from Billet Aluminium. Whatever that is...
    as i thought, wasnt the fidenza one by anycahcnce?

    thought 300 wouldnt be a machined stock one lol
  63. #63
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    as i thought, wasnt the fidenza one by anycahcnce?

    thought 300 wouldnt be a machined stock one lol
    Gonna have to wait until I need another dump for an answer to that one chap...
  64. #64
    I had a lightened flywheel on my mi16 from QEP and although they only took off about a kg of weight the transformation was very noticable. What you have to remember is that it speeds up acceleration in all instances, so thats when you hit the gas pedal or lift off to slow
  65. #65
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    Gonna have to wait until I need another dump for an answer to that one chap...
    go for a mcshit then you homo!
  66. #66
    Not until this evening you fiesty fella you.
  67. #67
    What's the conclusion here then? Is it OK for the likes of QEP to do the work on a flywheel for you? Or should you go for an aftermarket one?
  68. #68
    qep ive never heard a problem with one of their flywheels
  69. #69
    all depends on how much money you want to burn and whether you are happy with the disadvantages of a pure race item on a road car.
    You can't go too wrong with the QEP one though..
  70. #70
    QEP it is then. Another item to add to the shopping list. Nice one chaps!
  71. #71
    How about this for lightened.........


  72. #72
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    How about this for lightened.........


    and how much is that?
  73. #73
    doesnt look like a TU flywheel to me.
  74. #74
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    doesnt look like a TU flywheel to me.
    it isnt i dont think......
  75. #75
    blah lbah blah... cba'd to read through although im sure some mofo will have stated already that a lightened flywheel is totally unnecessaray on a saxo, unless the car is a 'no expenses spared' track weapon.

    costs outweigh the benefits on these beasties.
  76. #76
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steve_VTS View Post
    and how much is that?
    I wouldnt like to guess new!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    doesnt look like a TU flywheel to me.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steve_VTS View Post
    it isnt i dont think......
    Its a Peugeot 405 BTCC flywheel and a new quartermaster 5.5" twin plate clutch. I have a new transmission for my 205
  77. #77
    how hard is it to lighten a flywheel then?

    I am a machinist by trade by the way. I am assuming they have to be spot on, but would it be possible to skim on using a lathe if it all runs true?
  78. #78
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    Its a Peugeot 405 BTCC flywheel and a new quartermaster 5.5" twin plate clutch. I have a new transmission for my 205
    muhaha! thought it would be for one of your projects.

    knew it wasnt a tu one though.
  79. #79
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTR-98 View Post
    how hard is it to lighten a flywheel then?

    I am a machinist by trade by the way. I am assuming they have to be spot on, but would it be possible to skim on using a lathe if it all runs true?

    dont think they take it off the face mate, i think they lighten and balance it be removing the weight in different places. lke o a tyre balancing machine.