Best inducton???

20th May 2007, 17:00

What would you all say wa the best induction kit? if money was no matter. And not turbo or supercharger like a few peoplesaid before.

20th May 2007, 17:02

procomp if it was still made.

then green enclosed

20th May 2007, 17:04

Its not really money mate that gets the best induction kit. It depends more
on design and build quality. Its abilty to reduce warm heat being sucked into
the engine. The Raceland is rated quite well and also the BMC. Most expensive
one Im aware of this the Pipercross Viper.
Not sure what people think of the Viper, but its big compared to the other two.

20th May 2007, 17:05

most would say green enclosed or BMC!

20th May 2007, 17:05

viper is poo. it has metal where you dont want it

20th May 2007, 17:08

i thought the viper was carbon fibre?

20th May 2007, 17:09

i have the Viper on mine, and tbh its not brilliant, but i wouldn't say its shit! its metal and carbon fibre!

20th May 2007, 17:09

green or bmc but if you want to save about 100 quid go for the kam racing deal, raceland induction with green filter

20th May 2007, 17:11

will a vts raceland fit?

20th May 2007, 17:13

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Originally Posted by awright

will a vts raceland fit?

yes it will fit, but it won't sit flush to the slam panel, and you will have to re-locate your power steering fluid!

20th May 2007, 17:21

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Originally Posted by cheese-

i thought the viper was carbon fibre?

nope it has alot of metal in it.. its not a proper carbon one

20th May 2007, 17:24

think provcomp were the only ones to do carbon fibre, there rest are ither plastic or metal

20th May 2007, 17:26

So what about the BMC? Is that a fairly decent one/made of good materials?

20th May 2007, 17:33

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Originally Posted by rushy_23

So what about the BMC? Is that a fairly decent one/made of good materials?

bmc is carbon/mix of fiberglass and plastic i think.

it doesnt have huge bits of metal sitting where the airflow goes which is why im more of a fan of that.

20th May 2007, 17:35

Think I may just settle for a green panel filter for the time being.

20th May 2007, 17:51

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Originally Posted by rushy_23

Think I may just settle for a green panel filter for the time being.

a pannel filter, on a 16v is a good mod actually, if you remove the blacking plate and run a feed to it.

20th May 2007, 18:14

think i mite go for the raceland. would you say they are better then the bmc?

20th May 2007, 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by awright

think i mite go for the raceland. would you say they are better then the bmc?

it will be louder

20th May 2007, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by awright

think i mite go for the raceland. would you say they are better then the bmc?

the downsides of the Raceland is the quality of build and the performance of the standard filter. Cost wise though its fantastic and you can sort out the filter with a Green replacement.

The BMC is expensive but it made very well indeed from real Carbon fibre and has a decent filter (not quite up to the Green standard but pretty close.

21st May 2007, 07:56

The fit on my raceland is shocking to be honest but it works and the green filter is quality! The Saxo's have a flat slam panel dont they? The 106 ones have curves. It may fit better on the Saxo's??

21st May 2007, 10:43

I dont know if it was mentioned but if money was no object of money would be to construct a Race Car style Cold Air box.

With the Battery relocated to the boot you would construct a large box either carbon fibre of other non heat conducting materials then have a large cone filter inside then a direct feed to the front of the car so cold atmosphere was forced into the box there the cone would be able to take what amount of Cold air was required.

I think this is the closest think to a race car setup away from Throttle bodies and they work on the same kind system a box feed by cold air for the throttle bodies to draw cold air from.

Back in the real world of off the shelf items either the BMC enclosed filter or Green Scoop filter are the best two designs out there, ProComp if you can find one still.

21st May 2007, 11:03

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Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy

With the Battery relocated to the boot you would construct a large box either carbon fibre of other non heat conducting materials then have a large cone filter inside then a direct feed to the front of the car so cold atmosphere was forced into the box there the cone would be able to take what amount of Cold air was required.

Thats a well good idea!!!

21st May 2007, 11:47

That is one of the reasons I started stripping the rear of my interior was to make space for a battery box to free space to construct a Cold Air box in the space.

Ive talked it over with a few people on here before and it is possible, its just the time and money involved in the construction of such an item.

Im a huge Blue Oval fan and old RS500 Touring cars used to run this kinda spec. There is a small compact item similar to a BMC for Cilo 172/182 etc made by IGC I think out of Carbon fibre which is probally the closet thing to an off the shelf cold air box system.

21st May 2007, 11:48

ITG do the carbon boxes for clios, golfs etc....

its basically a box with a funnel and a filter sitting in it. no more effective than a green imo.

21st May 2007, 11:56

the only way an airbox can really help with power is if it is designed to aid flow when running throttlebodies, to get the same flow to each cylinder. This is down to the shape. All other airboxes that are linking to a standard tb are all about cold air feed and separating your intake air from the hot enginebay plus removing any restriction to flow the standard system may have had

21st May 2007, 11:56

Thats the one, just really another take on the BMC item really.

21st May 2007, 12:01

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Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy

Thats the one, just really another take on the BMC item really.

except alot more expensive and usually has its own built in funnel.

21st May 2007, 12:14

Yep thats what I said - 'Just another take' lol

21st May 2007, 12:17

i think i may get my throttlebodies airbox made in carbon lol! just random posting i know.

21st May 2007, 12:20

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

i think i may get my throttlebodies airbox made in carbon lol! just random posting i know.

See Now your just showing off

Its not fair, you always have the best shopping list in the world and somehow the money to buy the stuff.

Are you a Ganster? is that where your money comes from

21st May 2007, 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy

See Now your just showing off

Its not fair, you always have the best shopping list in the world and somehow the money to buy the stuff.

Are you a Ganster? is that where your money comes from

i pimp my hoes yes

lol my engine isnt a top spec tbh, only running pugsport cup cams on 42mm jenvey sfs tbh.

my mates is far more, 183.3bhp, from a bottom end and head that cost 4.5k then pugsport DTH bodies and exhaust manifold, then the exhaust he had made by a company called H engineering was 1400 on top irc.

21st May 2007, 12:50

hehehehe I still reckon your Ganster, myself

Look forward to seeing the car finished.

Oh and sorry about the HiJack

21st May 2007, 13:17

I have a Raceland enclosed on my VTS and i am more than happy with it nice sound and noticeable gains nothing major but every little helps

All i'll be doing to mine is putting a green filter in it when it goes to be mapped when my 708's are fitted

21st May 2007, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy

I dont know if it was mentioned but if money was no object of money would be to construct a Race Car style Cold Air box.

With the Battery relocated to the boot you would construct a large box either carbon fibre of other non heat conducting materials then have a large cone filter inside then a direct feed to the front of the car so cold atmosphere was forced into the box there the cone would be able to take what amount of Cold air was required.

I think this is the closest think to a race car setup away from Throttle bodies and they work on the same kind system a box feed by cold air for the throttle bodies to draw cold air from.

Back in the real world of off the shelf items either the BMC enclosed filter or Green Scoop filter are the best two designs out there, ProComp if you can find one still.

Ok when i say money is no object i mean in the region of aftrmarket off the shelf not relocating batteries and building a £500 carbonfibre air box and massive intakes. Good idea though. will have to go on the shopping list for the next hopefully up coming vts track slag.

Thanks for all the thoughts guys. At the moment im heading towards the green enclosed system but with the BMC close behind. But theres something about the BMC which does not seem to right when we run then on our race cars.(not that there all saxos)

22nd May 2007, 01:21

Pro comp but they dont make it any more

So raceland!

22nd May 2007, 01:25

im sure streamline are making them again

22nd May 2007, 01:27

Would be great if they were....

22nd May 2007, 08:55

Ive damaged, or should I say a garage damaged my Green's case so there is only one bolt holding the scoop to the slame panel.

Ive tried repairing it with no real results so when I deside my cone is dirty enough to warrent a clean I'll just buy something new.

Be great if streamline where make the ProComp item again.

If any body here's of it coming back into production by all meens pm and let me know.

Cheers

22nd May 2007, 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by awright

Ok when i say money is no object i mean in the region of aftrmarket off the shelf not relocating batteries and building a £500 carbonfibre air box and massive intakes. Good idea though. will have to go on the shopping list for the next hopefully up coming vts track slag.

Thanks for all the thoughts guys. At the moment im heading towards the green enclosed system but with the BMC close behind. But theres something about the BMC which does not seem to right when we run then on our race cars.(not that there all saxos)

If the BMC has to have a very long induction pipe into the front with a lot of tight bends then its going to be a lot less effective than a green, which has a nice short intake length. If you have so Morrette headlights and run a pipe direct from somewhere like that it should see similar gains.

24th May 2007, 14:00

where can i get a raceland for a vtr od do you have to get a vts n modd it