VTS gearbox in VTR gains

20th May 2007, 19:12

just wondering what gains you get acceleration wise sticking a vts box in a vtr?

i no you can say it will accelerate a bit faster but thats hard to imagine what is a bit faster . . . so in terms of off your 0-60 and 60-100 times or quarter mile etc?

just how much faster!?

20th May 2007, 19:13

depends how well you drive

20th May 2007, 19:17

lol i no if my gran was driving i'd think it was a 0.001 litre so yeh it depends how you drive

but assuming you drive the same always . . . .

20th May 2007, 19:18

ill await the vtr/sbox owners to come on.

but id say a max of 1 sec to 60.. and i mean max! more like .5 tbh

20th May 2007, 19:22

Really that much? That just goes to show how much of a difference gearing can make!!!

20th May 2007, 19:22

not huge difference then. only thing putting me off is hitting the limiter at less a speed than i do in the vtr box coz it will top out at 6250 instead of whatever the vts pulls to is it 7k odd and hits 35 in 1st? . . .

i await more answers

20th May 2007, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by godfridge

not huge difference then. only thing putting me off is hitting the limiter at less a speed than i do in the vtr box coz it will top out at 6250 instead of whatever the vts pulls to is it 7k odd and hits 35 in 1st? . . .

i await more answers

so.. dont hit the limiter then

it will lower your top end a bit but the sports ratios will give better in gear performance imo

20th May 2007, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

Really that much? That just goes to show how much of a difference gearing can make!!!

gearing will make a huge difference to how a car and engine performs. im just guessing on the box as ive not driven a car with one.

20th May 2007, 19:38

yeh worth a go i reckon

20th May 2007, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

gearing will make a huge difference to how a car and engine performs. im just guessing on the box as ive not driven a car with one.

Do you think I could knock a second off my 0 - 100 time? I'm getting the S1 rallye box fitted in a couple of days.

20th May 2007, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

Do you think I could knock a second off my 0 - 100 time? I'm getting the S1 rallye box fitted in a couple of days.

i would bloody hope so 0-100.. but will see tbh.. you will be changing gear more, but it should have better in gear acceleration.

20th May 2007, 20:11

arnt the gearboxs etc the same

all it is mate is ratios

20th May 2007, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobs

arnt the gearboxs etc the same

all it is mate is ratios

and ratios as brucey says 'win prizes'

20th May 2007, 20:21

I might not have to make more gear changes from 0 to 100... Obviously I know what you are saying... I'm just thinking... Currently, I have to change into 4th at 95 mph. With the S1, if I can hit 100 in 4th, then i've made the same amount of gear changes. Could be good

20th May 2007, 20:23

Yeah, on paper, the differece in final drive between mine and the S1's is HUGE. So I should hopefully see some nice improvements!

20th May 2007, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

Yeah, on paper, the differece in final drive between mine and the S1's is HUGE. So I should hopefully see some nice improvements!

i still need to test mine! should be getting my shell welded up soon! so might be good to go!

21st May 2007, 07:50

Who uses top end anyway. Get one fitted mate. I was thinking about the 1.3rallye box but since I do alot of motorway driving I couldn't cope with how high the revs would be at 70.

The 1.4 xsi box's are supposed to be good to. In between the rallye and gti.

21st May 2007, 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardon

Who uses top end anyway. Get one fitted mate. I was thinking about the 1.3rallye box but since I do alot of motorway driving I couldn't cope with how high the revs would be at 70.

The 1.4 xsi box's are supposed to be good to. In between the rallye and gti.

try finding a 1.3 box or a 1.4xsi one though. thats the problem. i agree the xsi is the best of both worlds

21st May 2007, 12:03

There is an XSI box for sale on PGAC at the moment. You could always order just the final drive from pug then get it fitted as you refurb the box. Ok your looking at £200 to £300 for the lot fitted, but your pretty much getting a new gear box.

21st May 2007, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardon

There is an XSI box for sale on PGAC at the moment. You could always order just the final drive from pug then get it fitted as you refurb the box. Ok your looking at £200 to £300 for the lot fitted, but your pretty much getting a new gear box.

you do know the final drives from PSA are a fortune. the CW when mankee cheng asked was about 300, and the same again for the pinion shaft.

PgayC lol! there are a few for sale but they dont come up very often, or in good condition, usually you will need a full rebuild with new synchros and bearings due to the age/abuse they take.

i really should sell my xsi final drive tbh its a bargain considering how immacualte it is.

21st May 2007, 12:10

I got my S1 box from a breakers for £175. It's getting new bearings and a check over for another £175. Seem a fair price?

21st May 2007, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

I got my S1 box from a breakers for £175. It's getting new bearings and a check over for another £175. Seem a fair price?

seems fair tbh. i paid. 275, to have mine fully rebuilt with new synchros, bearings etc.. after i had my atb fitted, also included a couple of uprated parts.

21st May 2007, 12:17

Does seem a good price mate. Didn't know the final drives were that expensive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

PgayC lol!

PGAC is decent, good for shows and discounts and there's not as many forum warriors on their ether.

21st May 2007, 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardon

Does seem a good price mate. Didn't know the final drives were that expensive.

PGAC is decent, good for shows and discounts and there's not as many forum warriors on their ether.

because the moderators are nazis, the information on there isnt as good, as alot of the knowlegeable people are no longer on the forum

the rallye reg has alot better information and doesnt have a backroom scheme going on for the owner of PGAC to pay his mates through FCS

anything new from PSA is going to cost a fortune. i think someone priced up all the parts to rebuild a saxo from scratch at the prices they use and it was like 20K plus labour lol.

21st May 2007, 12:24

I will agree with you that the site has lost alot of good users. I have never had a problem with the mods. You just have to understand that the owner is in the police so he has to be careful about whats aloud to be posted. I'm aware of this so take the website for what it is. I have always got the answers I needed off there.

When you say PSA what does that stand for Peugeot Sport ???? Is there no other sources for final drives?

21st May 2007, 12:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by godfridge

not huge difference then. only thing putting me off is hitting the limiter at less a speed than i do in the vtr box coz it will top out at 6250 instead of whatever the vts pulls to is it 7k odd and hits 35 in 1st? . . .

i await more answers

which are you going to do more of? blasts at low speeds or trying to top it out?

VTS box all the way. Wouldnt mind a VTR box in mine so that i can make use of overdrive

21st May 2007, 12:28

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Originally Posted by mardon

I will agree with you that the site has lost alot of good users. I have never had a problem with the mods. You just have to understand that the owner is in the police so he has to be careful about whats aloud to be posted. I'm aware of this so take the website for what it is. I have always got the answers I needed off there.

When you say PSA what does that stand for Peugeot Sport ???? Is there no other sources for final drives?

PSA is the Peugeot Citroën group term. so any pug/cit garage would supply the final drives at the huge prices lol.

i just find the site is a tad pathetic, banning very good users for posting links to another forum where there may be pics of another car, but because one post had shit or fuck written in it the user gets a ban. theyre to OTT, swearing is fine imo its a car forum not playschool

21st May 2007, 12:28

Will the 1.4 xsi box hit 62in 2nd?

21st May 2007, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardon

Will the 1.4 xsi box hit 62in 2nd?

the VTR box does so i cant see why not

EDIT: sorry couldnt resist...

21st May 2007, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

which are you going to do more of? blasts at low speeds or trying to top it out?

VTS box all the way. Wouldnt mind a VTR box in mine so that i can make use of overdrive

got a 1.4box here ad

21st May 2007, 12:30

But its shorter than the VTS and VTR. I know the 1.3 box needs a change to get it to 62.

21st May 2007, 12:30

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Originally Posted by mardon

Will the 1.4 xsi box hit 62in 2nd?

i doubt it.

ill find out the speed in each gear on a standard limit if i can.

21st May 2007, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

got a 1.4box here ad

1.4 is same as derv homeboy, but cheers for the offer

21st May 2007, 12:31

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Originally Posted by adsayer

1.4 is same as derv homeboy, but cheers for the offer

i see your de banned now the exams are over anyway! not so much facebooking for you

21st May 2007, 12:34

What car you checking it on (so I know where the limiter is set)

21st May 2007, 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

i see your de banned now the exams are over anyway! not so much facebooking for you

yeah thoroughly impressed with that billy chap

well put tho man haha
facebook for life.

21st May 2007, 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardon

What car you checking it on (so I know where the limiter is set)

gti/vts as its what you have, i dont know when ill get the info though, as its on a forum somewhere, and im going into hospital 2mo for an operation.

21st May 2007, 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

yeah thoroughly impressed with that billy chap

well put tho man haha
facebook for life.

want to race off the lights?

21st May 2007, 12:37

Ah.

Well good luck with the op.

21st May 2007, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

want to race off the lights?

I just cant help myself if someone rev's their engine

21st May 2007, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

I just cant help myself if someone rev's their engine

we only do it off the line like...... it beats my mates 1.5D ok its not very fast but still..

21st May 2007, 12:49

right vtr..

vtr box on vtr.
1st to 2nd 32
2nd to 3rd 60

vts on vtr
1st to 2nd 30
2nd to 3rd 53

1.4
1st to 2nd 28
2nd to 3rd 49

vts/gti

vts box
1st to 2nd 35
2nd to 3rd 62

1.4xsi box
1st to 2nd 32
2nd to 3rd 57

1.3 s1 box
1st to 2nd 31
2nd to 3rd 53

21st May 2007, 15:35

So which box would be best on a Vtr. What about a 1.1 box.

21st May 2007, 17:25

Wow the 1.3 is really low ratio!!

21st May 2007, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanp06

So which box would be best on a Vtr. What about a 1.1 box.

personal preference.

log onto ssc. its in the FAQ in engines.

the 1.1 box i will never recommend due to the smaller weaker diff, and non sports gearset.

im with sandy of rallye reg fame on stopping the crap that everyone thinks 1.1 boxes are good.

21st May 2007, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardon

Wow the 1.3 is really low ratio!!

same gearset just different final drive

21st May 2007, 17:34

Cheers mate 1.1 out off the window then. Can you see if u can answer my thread on gearbox

21st May 2007, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanp06

Cheers mate 1.1 out off the window then. Can you see if u can answer my thread on gearbox

alot like the 1.1 but i personally dont. the smaller diff is weaker. and i dont like the fact its not got the sports gearset.

what thread? wanted??

21st May 2007, 17:43

Nope in this section mate

21st May 2007, 21:43

What RPM are those speed limits based on mate?

21st May 2007, 21:44

standard limit.

get on ssc.. its all in the thread by alex.

21st May 2007, 22:42

Cheers bud.

21st May 2007, 23:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

same gearset just different final drive

I know mate

The final drive lowerd all the in speed gears more than I was expecting. But it'd be quality for smaller tracks. May top it out on longer tracks (not so much my car but maybe on a cam'd one).

22nd May 2007, 00:31

so how would vts box in vtr generally affect mpg?

22nd May 2007, 00:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by godfridge

so how would vts box in vtr generally affect mpg?

it would increase the fuel you use, due to the fact it will be revvinv higher for a set speed in each gear.

so 70 would be at 3500 instead of 3000 for example

22nd May 2007, 01:57

put a smaller gear box in

yes lower top end but my m8 has a 1 litre gear box in his vtr and its quick time but only can do 100 top end.

22nd May 2007, 02:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan0000002

put a smaller gear box in

yes lower top end but my m8 has a 1 litre gear box in his vtr and its quick time but only can do 100 top end.

that doesnt sound at all right tbh.

22nd May 2007, 03:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan0000002

put a smaller gear box in

yes lower top end but my m8 has a 1 litre gear box in his vtr and its quick time but only can do 100 top end.

is he running 7" alloys or something?

22nd May 2007, 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

is he running 7" alloys or something?

7" wheels, a part set up throttle cable, and no 5th gear by the sounds of it.

22nd May 2007, 16:35

is it worth doing then, will i put vts box in vtr and notice this is faster? also dont have experience of it but would it not get annoying having short gears and changing gear alot?