Turbo

1. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

   #1 22nd May 2007, 18:36

   was speaking to a owner of a renault 5 turbo to day and we got discussing turbos.
   
   He said a turbo of a renault 5 turbo will fit a VTS with a custom manifold, this true ?
2. belly_VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp

   #2 22nd May 2007, 18:37

   aye its true, but there is much better and reliable ones out there that will fit aswell
3. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

   #3 22nd May 2007, 18:38

   if its a custom manifold a turbo from an evo/scooby/buggatti veyron will fit thats the idea in it being custom
4. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

   #4 22nd May 2007, 18:40

   spose so really, got a reno 5 turbo on ebay at the moment for under 50 quid at the moment. just trying to think if i can be arsed to make a custom manifold.
   
   Arnt the turbos of a scooby/evo a differnt style (inline or summin)
5. mallboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 Wolverhampton Posts: 3000 MK1 VTR TURBO

   #5 22nd May 2007, 18:56

   a t2 turbo from a r5 is a good turbo to use. i have a t2 turbo-you can see how the manifold was adapted in my progress thread. you will have to weld the cast manifold but have to make sure the turbo sits flat. pretty hard to do yourself and costs allot to go the turbo route!!
6. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #6 22nd May 2007, 21:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Tim_1 spose so really, got a reno 5 turbo on ebay at the moment for under 50 quid at the moment. just trying to think if i can be arsed to make a custom manifold. Arnt the turbos of a scooby/evo a differnt style (inline or summin)

   lol unfortunately mate its not as easy as custom making a manifold to suit the turbo! you also have to consider what your going to do as far as.... compression, cooling, fueling, etc
   
   then theres increased running costs, insurance, etc
   
   then theres other things which are highly recommended like upgrading brakes, etc its not just as easy and as cheap to bolt on ad off you go!
   
   personally a turbo conversion is something i'd leave to the pro's, even if the turbo sits at the wrong angle, it'll feck up!
   
   just a few things to consider mate
7. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #7 22nd May 2007, 21:13

   need to consider how reliable it is going to be aswel and is it really worth it?
   not just happy camming it and porting and polishing? should see 110bhp
8. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #8 22nd May 2007, 21:21

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Steve_VTR need to consider how reliable it is going to be aswel and is it really worth it? not just happy camming it and porting and polishing? should see 120bhp

   what just a cam and a port and polished head? 120bhp?
9. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #9 22nd May 2007, 21:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by S34MER what just a cam and a port and polished head? 120bhp?

   typo now edited
   + remap and all the rest....
   am tired lol
10. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

    #10 22nd May 2007, 21:54

    ALready got drilled and grooved disks allround with mintex pads. suspensions is done, strut bar, VTS engine on its way, cams out trying to decide what to do with the cams atm aswell just summin up if its worth getting a turbo fitted whilst ive got the engine out.
11. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #11 22nd May 2007, 22:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tim_1 ALready got drilled and grooved disks allround with mintex pads. suspensions is done, strut bar, VTS engine on its way, cams out trying to decide what to do with the cams atm aswell just summin up if its worth getting a turbo fitted whilst ive got the engine out.

    do you have £3000 minimum to spend? if so do it! if not, don't even consider it!
12. belly_VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Co Durham(north east) Posts: 626 cammed vts, (rest in pieces) corsa vxr - 340bhp

    #12 22nd May 2007, 22:00

    your gonna need something better than just drilled and grooved brakes mate. more like a big brake upgrade. pointless going faster if you cant stop it
13. mallboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 Wolverhampton Posts: 3000 MK1 VTR TURBO

    #13 22nd May 2007, 22:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tim_1 ALready got drilled and grooved disks allround with mintex pads. suspensions is done, strut bar, VTS engine on its way, cams out trying to decide what to do with the cams atm aswell just summin up if its worth getting a turbo fitted whilst ive got the engine out.

    its allot of hard work to get right. mine isnt running rite beacause the fuelling and cooling needs sortin - something for the pros. doesnt make any difference wether the engines outta the car coz it doesnt need removing anyway. its allot of work, if you got the money and the patience then go for it, if not then i wouldnt bother
14. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #14 22nd May 2007, 22:04

    Intake Manifold
    EGR Valve w/ equipment
    Coolant Housing/Neck
    Y-Pipe
    Blow Off Valve
    Airbox w/ filter
    Intake plumbing
    Intercooler piping
    Intercoolers w/ intake ducts
    Turbos
    Exhaust Manifolds
    O2 Housings w/ sensors
    Downpipe
    Oil Cooler w/ lines
    Oil feed/return lines
    Water feed/return lines
    Fuel injectors w/ inj. Resistor pack
    Fuel pressure regulator
    Vacuum lines
    Oil return “joint” on engine block
    Fuel pump w/ housing
    ECU
    Oil pan
    Engine wiring harness
    Misc. clamps, nuts, bolts, gaskets
    
    just a few of the many parts needed
15. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

    #15 22nd May 2007, 22:36

    Got £5000 left out my budget to spend 6500 including credit cards .
    I was just wandering how much the price range would vary
    
    Cat cams 708's the best to suit a VTS turbo ?
    
    scouting around for a big brake upgrade aswell at the moment just trying to decide if its worth keeping the standard VTR alloys or getting bigger wheel for bigger brakes
16. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #16 22nd May 2007, 22:41

    bigger breaks are a deffo imo!
    
    ranges between £3000- £5000 for a Turbo conversion, but can easily be more depending on how lairy you want to get!
17. mallboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 Wolverhampton Posts: 3000 MK1 VTR TURBO

    #17 22nd May 2007, 22:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tim_1 Got £5000 left out my budget to spend 6500 including credit cards . I was just wandering how much the price range would vary Cat cams 708's the best to suit a VTS turbo ? scouting around for a big brake upgrade aswell at the moment just trying to decide if its worth keeping the standard VTR alloys or getting bigger wheel for bigger brakes

    the gti6 brakes should be good enough so you will need 15s to fit them, if you have that much to spend then try sending it to the pros like carworx to get a conversion done, also if you do turbo it-there is an mf2 in the sale section that it goin cheap, i have few parts aswell that could interest you!!
18. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

    #18 22nd May 2007, 22:50

    hmm
    http://www.cars-worx.co.uk/saxo106.htm#tuning
    the stage 3 turbo look fooking sweet. right off to sell my gf, will have pics up later PM me offers
19. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #19 22nd May 2007, 22:52

    708 may be to much, think someones trying them now
    
    brake wise for turbo=supercharger you may want to look at hispec 4 pots
20. mallboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 Wolverhampton Posts: 3000 MK1 VTR TURBO

    #20 22nd May 2007, 22:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tim_1 hmm http://www.cars-worx.co.uk/saxo106.htm#tuning the stage 3 turbo look fooking sweet. right off to sell my gf, will have pics up later PM me offers

    lol. dont let her hear that.lol
21. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #21 22nd May 2007, 22:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tim_1 hmm http://www.cars-worx.co.uk/saxo106.htm#tuning the stage 3 turbo look fooking sweet. right off to sell my gf, will have pics up later PM me offers

    yeah the stage 3 looks mint but at £8272.50 your gonna need to sell more than your mrs lol
22. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #22 22nd May 2007, 23:11

    if youe seriously wanna do it. speak to saxodaffy on here
23. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #23 22nd May 2007, 23:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit if youe seriously wanna do it. speak to saxodaffy on here

    or better still talk to GMC
24. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #24 22nd May 2007, 23:21

    and prob have your pants down
25. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #25 22nd May 2007, 23:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit and prob have your pants down

    nah, they don't charge for free advice
26. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #26 22nd May 2007, 23:27

    well there not gonna say how to build your own are they. more like sell try sell theres. advice yeah but if newbie you need to do your research before attempting anything
27. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #27 22nd May 2007, 23:32

    agrred their not going to tell you how to build your own, but i said advice not instructions!
    
    if you have any queries they will happily answer them
28. saxodaffy Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2005 blackpool United Kingdom (England) Posts: 457

    #28 23rd May 2007, 09:42

    its alot of hard work and agro but well worth it.
    mine convertion will stand me at about 8 - 9k went it is finished in a couple of weeks.
    it all adds up mate from engine mounts to drive shafts and everything inbetween need to be up graded
29. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

    #29 23rd May 2007, 18:14

    Yea looking expensive, car price stlying and engine will probly come to 15k, could get a skyline/evo/dcooby for all tht
30. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #30 23rd May 2007, 18:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tim_1 Yea looking expensive, car price stlying and engine will probly come to 15k, could get a skyline/evo/dcooby for all tht

    exactly why hardly any people charge their Saxo's!
31. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #31 23rd May 2007, 18:31

    Quote:

    mine convertion will stand me at about 8 - 9k went it is finished in a couple of weeks.

    his is ubber mental though. will have over 300bhp
32. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #32 23rd May 2007, 18:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER nah, they don't charge for free advice

    but the advice will be to sell you their stuff
33. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #33 23rd May 2007, 19:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 but the advice will be to sell you their stuff

    not if your asking how something works!
34. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #34 23rd May 2007, 19:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER not if your asking how something works!

    if they keep it in stock
35. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #35 23rd May 2007, 19:21

    yeah but how do they try and sell you something, if for example you ask, "can you tell me exactly how a turbo works?"
36. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #36 23rd May 2007, 19:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER yeah but how do they try and sell you something, if for example you ask, "can you tell me exactly how a turbo works?"

    well the turbos that we sell which are far better than anyone elses........
37. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #37 23rd May 2007, 20:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 well the turbos that we sell which are far better than anyone elses........

    thats not answering the question though is it?
38. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #38 23rd May 2007, 20:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER thats not answering the question though is it?

    my point exactly.
39. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #39 23rd May 2007, 20:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 my point exactly.

    not a very good one though!
    
    if you've ever taken 2 mins to call GMC and talk to them, then you would know they DO answer your questions!
40. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #40 23rd May 2007, 21:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER not a very good one though! if you've ever taken 2 mins to call GMC and talk to them, then you would know they DO answer your questions!

    as i have said, john is a very knowlegable person, i am just not a fan of his sales techniques.
41. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #41 23rd May 2007, 21:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 as i have said, john is a very knowlegable person, i am just not a fan of his sales techniques.

    when did you say that
    
    i see your point, but they are a very helpful bunch!
42. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #42 23rd May 2007, 21:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER when did you say that i see your point, but they are a very helpful bunch!

    ive said it on here many times. have never said john doesnt know what he is talking about. just dont like the sales pitches at times.
43. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #43 23rd May 2007, 21:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 ive said it on here many times. have never said john doesnt know what he is talking about. just dont like the sales pitches at times.

    i agree
44. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #44 23rd May 2007, 21:24

    lmao. cheers for that ryan, lol
45. rudkin69 Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2005 Grantham / Midlands Posts: 452 Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo

    #45 23rd May 2007, 22:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scott if its a custom manifold a turbo from an evo/scooby/buggatti veyron will fit thats the idea in it being custom

    lol having to state the obvious
46. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

    #46 25th May 2007, 18:09

    looking at buying http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Garrett-T33-Tu...QQcmdZViewItem
    
    atm will most likely steal a intercoller of a landrover discovery
47. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

    #47 25th May 2007, 18:16

    or maybe but this
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TURBO-CONVERSI...QQcmdZViewItem
    
    tho R5 turbos are crap artn they ?
48. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

    #48 27th May 2007, 12:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mallboy a t2 turbo from a r5 is a good turbo to use. i have a t2 turbo-you can see how the manifold was adapted in my progress thread. you will have to weld the cast manifold but have to make sure the turbo sits flat. pretty hard to do yourself and costs allot to go the turbo route!!

    I hate to argue but you may wish to look at the flow map for this turbo. Out of all the TU engines its the 1.1 8V that is closes to the spec of this turbo. Even the basic 1.4 8V will push it past what its running on the R5GTT.
49. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

    #49 27th May 2007, 13:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tim_1 or maybe but this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TURBO-CONVERSI...QQcmdZViewItem tho R5 turbos are crap artn they ?

    That is utter junk, you really do not want to waste your money on that. Everything they say is not true! I don’ know where to start with what’s wrong. He is just ripping people off!
50. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #50 27th May 2007, 13:27

    i think that twats sold a few of these, no consense at all.
51. mallboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 Wolverhampton Posts: 3000 MK1 VTR TURBO

    #51 27th May 2007, 17:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AXracing I hate to argue but you may wish to look at the flow map for this turbo. Out of all the TU engines its the 1.1 8V that is closes to the spec of this turbo. Even the basic 1.4 8V will push it past what its running on the R5GTT.

    im not sure what your trying to say, but if its about the turbo choice then:its a t2 turbo, james_vts ran a t2 on his vts and im pretty sure simo runs a t2 on his so if they use it then it cant be that bad!!
52. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #52 27th May 2007, 18:06

    he means the kit and everything wrote is bollox basically.
53. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

    #53 27th May 2007, 20:04

    i started with a T2 on my vtr ax but it is a bit small i thought the T25 i upgraded to was a better match for the engine but i got board of that aswell lol