Possible Dumb Question?????

1. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

   #1 31st May 2007, 11:17

   Will brakes from a car with the same PCD fit other cars of the same?
   
   Reason I ask is that I am looking to replace my brakes, and everyone bangs on about upgrading to Pug brakes etc but what about a decent Ford set up???
   
   Will they fit (not bothered about the wheel spacing quite yet) and what will be needed to fit?
2. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

   #2 31st May 2007, 14:24

   might need brackets for the calipers making up
3. Toby-VTR Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Desborough Posts: 230 Black Saxo VTR

   #3 31st May 2007, 15:54

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by L1UKEVTR might need brackets for the calipers making up

   yeh the same PCD would be needed, and as l1ukevtr says the caliper mounting may be different so may have to be custom made a bracket!
4. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #4 31st May 2007, 16:30

   disc offset will more than likely be totally different so doubt they will fit.
   also the hub diameter will be different.
5. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

   #5 31st May 2007, 16:43

   Whats a PCD?
6. Davidp Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 12553

   #6 31st May 2007, 16:44

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ste_1 Whats a PCD?

   Pussy Cat Doll :d
7. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #7 31st May 2007, 16:46

   just get some pug ones theyre not exactly expensive, i personally wouldnt try 'new and cheap' ideas to be different on something as important as my brakes
8. Toby-VTR Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Desborough Posts: 230 Black Saxo VTR

   #8 31st May 2007, 16:51

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ste_1 Whats a PCD?

   pitch circle diameter! the distance between your wheel studs! typical PCD is 104mm so the distance from one stud to another is 104 it varies on different car makers e.g. from citroen/peogeut to renault or ford etc!
   
   hence why not all alloys fit all cars! this help?
9. Toby-VTR Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Desborough Posts: 230 Black Saxo VTR

   #9 31st May 2007, 16:51

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ste_1 Whats a PCD?

   pitch circle diameter! the distance between your wheel studs! typical PCD is 104mm so the distance from one stud to another is 104 it varies on different car makers e.g. from citroen/peogeut to renault or ford etc!
   
   hence why not all alloys fit all cars! this helps?
10. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #10 31st May 2007, 16:52

    I already have good brakes but want to downsize for smaller wheels
    
    Only reason I ask is because I have a friend that is breaking an Escort Cossie and the front brakes (Brembo upgrades) are going cheapish! The PCD is the same as a sax but obviously the offset is closer which made me wonder if it was possible
11. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #11 31st May 2007, 17:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Toby-VTR pitch circle diameter! the distance between your wheel studs! typical PCD is 104mm so the distance from one stud to another is 104 it varies on different car makers e.g. from citroen/peogeut to renault or ford etc! hence why not all alloys fit all cars! this helps?

    its the diameter which the center of the bolt holes are on.
12. Toby-VTR Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Desborough Posts: 230 Black Saxo VTR

    #12 31st May 2007, 17:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo180 I already have good brakes but want to downsize for smaller wheels Only reason I ask is because I have a friend that is breaking an Escort Cossie and the front brakes (Brembo upgrades) are going cheapish! The PCD is the same as a sax but obviously the offset is closer which made me wonder if it was possible

    if there going cheapish worth buying and selling if it doesnt work!
    
    they should work, and a combination of different length bolts or possibly spacers would ensure they would!
13. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #13 31st May 2007, 20:32

    they wont work though. the diameter of teh hub where the disc sits is a different size. also the caliper mounting points wont be in the right place.
14. Seymour_Furio L-plater Joined: Dec 2006 essex Posts: 92 03 Furio

    #14 1st June 2007, 16:38

    lol at pussy cat doll
15. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #15 1st June 2007, 19:10

    4 stud fords are 100mm which is the msot comman pcd for example rover,ford,honda etc etc
16. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #16 1st June 2007, 19:14

    would just get some pug ones mate, its not work it imo just incase something were to go wrong
17. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #17 1st June 2007, 23:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo 4 stud fords are 100mm which is the msot comman pcd for example rover,ford,honda etc etc

    
    they are 108mm, thats how you can use them on saxos with spacers
18. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #18 2nd June 2007, 10:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts they are 108mm, thats how you can use them on saxos with spacers

    
    100's ive rolled in seirras and rovers, theryre all 100's cos i had wheels which come from a corsa then to a honda civic then to rover then to the seirra
19. GT3 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2004 Chesterfield Posts: 678 Cammed Stripped VTS and Daily Driver VTS

    #19 2nd June 2007, 18:47

    Maybe sierras are different but escorts, focuss, mondeos, fiestas etc etc all use 4x108 but with et38 so need 20mm spacer to use on cits/pugs.
    
    But my mate had put escort cossie wheels on his sierra cossie so er now I am confused!
20. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #20 2nd June 2007, 18:56

    escort cossie is actually a sierra with a escort shell.
21. GT3 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2004 Chesterfield Posts: 678 Cammed Stripped VTS and Daily Driver VTS

    #21 2nd June 2007, 18:58

    Hmm but escort cosworth deffo have 4x108. So assume the above poster is just talking bollocks? lol
22. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #22 2nd June 2007, 18:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GT3 Hmm but escort cosworth deffo have 4x108. So assume the above poster is just talking bollocks? lol

    it is sax-p
23. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #23 2nd June 2007, 19:16

    "snigger"