are vts's quicker than gti-6's down the strip?

1. jas16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Mid Wales Posts: 443 saxo vts mk2

   #1 3rd June 2007, 19:08

   lad local has one,
   
   we where on his dad's private track and I was beating him up to about 110ish then the 6th gear came into play
2. liamk15 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2005 North east Posts: 6123 Type-r

   #2 3rd June 2007, 19:09

   no, a gti-6 will be faster.
   
   dads private track lol who is he like eddie jordan
3. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #3 3rd June 2007, 19:10

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jas16v lad local has one, we where on his dad's private track and I was beating him up to about 110ish then the 6th gear came into play

   are you asking a question or telling us the answer?
4. TheMadSaxo Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2006 Derby (Yorkshire Exile) Posts: 531 172 cup - Honda Civic Jordan.

   #4 3rd June 2007, 19:32

   In a word.............no.
5. JoeFurio Established Member Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1109

   #5 3rd June 2007, 19:44

   not unless it has a passenger and half a tank of fuel
6. Saxy1 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2006 Middlesex Posts: 6541 EVO FQ400

   #6 3rd June 2007, 19:51

   GTI-6 Should be quicker !!!
7. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #7 3rd June 2007, 19:52

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by liamk15 no, a gti-6 will be faster. dads private track lol who is he like eddie jordan

   lmao would have thought the gti-6 would be faster..... depends on driver aswel
8. giorgio1712 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Guernsey Posts: 145 Renault Clio

   #8 3rd June 2007, 19:53

   Dads private track AKA the M25
9. Scooba Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2006 Kent Posts: 875

   #9 3rd June 2007, 19:58

   haha yer private track my arse! VTS would loose!!
10. doubledavies Established Member Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1400

    #10 3rd June 2007, 19:59

    Gti - 6 is 167 bhp iirc top speed 140mph and 0-60 is 7.4 seconds
    
    but the rallye version has a 0-60 of 6.9 seconds which is equal to that of a VTS
11. jas16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Mid Wales Posts: 443 saxo vts mk2

    #11 3rd June 2007, 20:09

    Mine was quicker upto 110 then His had the power to slowly over take..
    
    although mine has a few mods...
    
    4branch decat system remap filter
12. Leo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2005 T A M W O R T H Posts: 6080 106 GTI

    #12 3rd June 2007, 21:08

    gti 6 would kill a vts all over
13. R66CE_O_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2007 chelmsford, essex Posts: 304 lupo turbo 330bhp

    #13 3rd June 2007, 21:15

    unles the gti-6 lump was in ur car i dont think it would be faster than it. but it all depend on driver aswel plays a big part. 306 rallye's can be made alot faster than a gti-6
14. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #14 3rd June 2007, 21:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by R66CE_O_vtr unles the gti-6 lump was in ur car i dont think it would be faster than it. but it all depend on driver aswel plays a big part. 306 rallye's can be made alot faster than a gti-6

    they are faster as standard lol!
15. R66CE_O_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2007 chelmsford, essex Posts: 304 lupo turbo 330bhp

    #15 3rd June 2007, 21:25

    your right im just tryin to get to technical lol
16. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #16 3rd June 2007, 21:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by R66CE_O_vtr your right im just tryin to get to technical lol

    lol
17. TheMadSaxo Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2006 Derby (Yorkshire Exile) Posts: 531 172 cup - Honda Civic Jordan.

    #17 3rd June 2007, 21:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by doubledavies Gti - 6 is 167 bhp iirc top speed 140mph and 0-60 is 7.4 seconds but the rallye version has a 0-60 of 6.9 seconds which is equal to that of a VTS

    6.9secs for a VTS? You must be joking.
18. ViperRedSaxo__vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Rhondda! Posts: 226 Citroen Saxo VTR

    #18 3rd June 2007, 22:27

    Quote:

    6.9secs for a VTS? You must be joking.

    "1.6 (1587 cc) VTS - DOHC (Double overhead camshaft) 16 valve - 120 bhp - 0-60 in 7.2 seconds - top speed = 127 mph"
    
    Standard VTs.. therefore his prediction isn't tht much off..
19. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #19 3rd June 2007, 22:30

    To be fair, as much as I think someone is living in cloud cukoo land, the VTS and GTI6 are pretty eqaully matched up to 60.
    
    Try out accelerating one from 30 though and the GTI6 will embarrass the vts!
20. Ant_Jackson Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Mold - N.Wales Posts: 687

    #20 3rd June 2007, 22:31

    Can we hire this test track then?
21. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #21 3rd June 2007, 22:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ant_Jackson Can we hire this test track then?

    I like your thinking! Sax P day out and BBQ at jas' house???
22. Grand_Champ Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Manchester Posts: 429 Celica GT-Four

    #22 3rd June 2007, 22:57

    There are quite a few vids of em racin on youtube. Obviously the pug is the faster standard car but there aint too much difference up to 60mph....after that the pug is away!!
23. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #23 3rd June 2007, 22:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Grand_Champ There are quite a few vids of em racin on youtube. Obviously the pug is the faster standard car but there aint too much difference up to 60mph....after that the pug is away!!

    pug has a greater weight, which is why its not so hot off the line, the rallye helps with this due to being lighter, gearing on gti-6s rock.
24. Grand_Champ Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Manchester Posts: 429 Celica GT-Four

    #24 4th June 2007, 01:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 pug has a greater weight, which is why its not so hot off the line, the rallye helps with this due to being lighter, gearing on gti-6s rock.

    Thanks for that tit-bit of information ryan...i shall sleep soundly tonight
25. mark16v Established Member Joined: Jan 2005 Up North Posts: 1642

    #25 4th June 2007, 08:12

    Very similar performance, had a run in with one on a private motorway, early hours of the morning. Both cars standard at the time as well. Kept it under 70mph of course
26. Dan Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2003 Middlesbrough United Kingdom (England) Posts: 23676 Seat Leon FR

    #26 4th June 2007, 08:18

    Yeah to 60 there isnt much in it, but the gti-6 should pull away after that.
27. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #27 4th June 2007, 08:18

    might has well have my 2p lol
    
    I have owned both i modified vts and now a xsara vts( basically the same as gti6) and i would say the saxo would probs get it on a strip i dont notice much difference until the xsara gets into 3rd and thats were i could tell the difference between them trhe xsara pulls much stronger and harder then the vts
    
    So in a 1/4 mile bash the saxo has it in my eyes with the gti-6 very very close
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28. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #28 4th June 2007, 08:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown might has well have my 2p lol I have owned both i modified vts and now a xsara vts( basically the same as gti6) and i would say the saxo would probs get it on a strip i dont notice much difference until the xsara gets into 3rd and thats were i could tell the difference between them trhe xsara pulls much stronger and harder then the vts So in a 1/4 mile bash the saxo has it in my eyes with the gti-6 very very close

    Having owned both I would totally agree.
    
    My best in a standard 306 Rallye (well, it had an exhaust but that made piss all difference!) was 15.5 seconds. Most GTI-6s that day did 16.0 or 15.9. VTS should be about 15.5 standard.
    
    ALl times from Santa P
29. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #29 4th June 2007, 08:43

    Cant beat GTI-6/Xsara VTS engine roar!!!
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30. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #30 4th June 2007, 08:48

    that is quite true leeroy, they do sound lovely.
31. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #31 4th June 2007, 08:49

    Add filter and my god its turns you into a mad man
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32. Japman Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Costa del Wales Posts: 12393 Spam Wagon

    #32 4th June 2007, 08:54

    My mates got a GTI-6 and i drive it alot,it would kill a vts
33. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #33 4th June 2007, 09:00

    It sounds good because of the metal inlet. Standard v standard the VTS and GTI-6 are pretty much on par
34. Japman Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Costa del Wales Posts: 12393 Spam Wagon

    #34 4th June 2007, 09:08

    keeping your car i see camp?
35. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #35 4th June 2007, 09:10

    Still tempted to sell, big service, new bonnet and some bits at the weekend
36. jas16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Mid Wales Posts: 443 saxo vts mk2

    #36 4th June 2007, 11:07

    there we are then, if they're quite similar standard then surley I would have a bit of an edge upto a ton! his is near enough standard.
    
    where as I have some nice breathing mods with a raised rev limit and a b+m quickshift box
    
    Il admit as soon as i hit about 110 he was able to pull by my side and pull forwards, but there was very very little in it
    
    
    infact id rather a car that hit 100 first
37. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #37 4th June 2007, 11:10

    Camp have you ever 1/4 mile?
    what times do you get pal?
38. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

    #38 4th June 2007, 11:19

    If you have a raised rev limit & only breathing mods then your gonna slow yourself down even more. Your engine will run out of puff before a std limiter, let alone a raised one!
39. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #39 4th June 2007, 11:21

    14.6 IIRC, that was with no interior and an ashley exhaust system. It's slower now on the standard manifold and exhaust, but much nicer day to day
40. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #40 4th June 2007, 11:24

    nice though 14.6 is a really good time
41. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #41 4th June 2007, 11:34

    Indeed it is. I think it'll be up for sale pretty soon though. Need to
    
    a. Save cash
    
    b. go rear wheel drive
42. jas16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Mid Wales Posts: 443 saxo vts mk2

    #42 4th June 2007, 11:38

    so it would be quicker if I changed before 7k?
43. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #43 4th June 2007, 11:44

    Not driven a non-camm'd VTS properly, but likely to benifit you to change at about 7k
44. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #44 4th June 2007, 12:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jas16v so it would be quicker if I changed before 7k?

    if on standard cams which irc you are then you deffo need to change earlier than 7800! due to the fact theyre out of the powerband!
45. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #45 4th June 2007, 13:55

    raising the limiter without new cams
46. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #46 4th June 2007, 14:39

    Still waiting for details on private track lol
    
    Intresting reading, standing start the lighter Saxo would be quicker off the line but slowly I beleive the greater power of the 306 would pull it back, over a standard 3/4 mile its hard to say as there are to many variables, driver, tyres, conditions etc but over a longer run I feel the 306 would have the Saxo.
    
    On a track things might change again but thats a different thread all together and probally shouldnt be started
47. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #47 4th June 2007, 14:44

    - longer run the GTi6 eats the Saxo hands down.
48. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #48 4th June 2007, 14:54

    id of quessed on a very tight track the saxo would win hands down but with a long run such as the final run to the pits on thruxton the gti would pass easily.
49. Maldridge Newbie Joined: Jun 2007 High Wycombe Posts: 1 Saxo VTS

    #49 7th June 2007, 21:29

    my m8s got da gti 6 n i got da vts n he kills me no chance