Exhaust Dilemma

1. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

   #1 4th June 2007, 22:16

   At the moment I've got a twin exit backbox (made by Rage)
   
   
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   Its started to make a rattle/vibrating noise, so the first thing I thought was one of the rubber hangers must be at fault.
   I looked under the car and couldn't see that they were perished. I tapped on the tailpipe and it made a horrible noise like there was some loose metal inside. The noise seemed to come from the tailpipe and not inside the box itself.
   
   I thought it could be the baffles inside?
   I'm wondering if I'll have to replace it, if this is the case I have a bit of a problem. The bumper is obviously cut out for a twin pipe, therefore I can't really fit a single exit. So I need another twin, but.... I can't find any companies that make them (i.e magnex, scorpion etc)
   Does anybody know of a manufacturer that does twins, or any other suggestions?? (probs custom?)
2. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

   #2 4th June 2007, 22:21

   It sounds like the baffles could be gone mate! Same thing has happened to my
   centre box/centre section!
   
   I know Piper offer different style of tailpipes.
   
   Its an idea but you could maybe get a 106 GTi/rallye Magnex backbox like mine
   and get it custom fitted to match your car? The fittings like?
   
   Its an idea but may work out expensive?
   
   Best to figure out if its the baffles in the centrebox or backbox that have gone first.
3. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #3 4th June 2007, 22:23

   piper make a twin backbox for the Saxo in 2 styles.
   
   I just happen to be browsing through their catalogue as we have them on our supplier list as of today
4. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

   #4 4th June 2007, 22:42

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by rushy_23 It sounds like the baffles could be gone mate! Same thing has happened to my centre box/centre section! I know Piper offer different style of tailpipes. Its an idea but you could maybe get a 106 GTi/rallye Magnex backbox like mine and get it custom fitted to match your car? The fittings like? Its an idea but may work out expensive? Best to figure out if its the baffles in the centrebox or backbox that have gone first.

   I think what I'll do is go to local exhaust place and ask them what they think. They should be able to tell me if it is the back box at fault or if something else is catching. Then I'll know better, hopefully I'll get time to do that on wednesday. Then I'll be able to make a decision!
   
   

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   Originally Posted by KamRacing piper make a twin backbox for the Saxo in 2 styles. I just happen to be browsing through their catalogue as we have them on our supplier list as of today

   Cool, didn't realise piper made a twin TBH, I checked on some sites but they only listed about 6 different styles all of which were single exits. I'll bare that in mind once I've been and investigated, Cheers!
   
   
   
   
   
   
   Pity the bumper has been cut or I'd be on the phone for a ABP Magnex!
5. makaveli144 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT

   #5 4th June 2007, 22:45

   Have you got the standard centre section, because when I had the standard centre section and changed parts of the exhaust the centre section moved slightly on the hanger just before the silencer I think. This hanger has a little metal ball on it that was bangin on the bottom of the car and it sounded horrible. Just a suggestion.
6. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

   #6 4th June 2007, 22:51

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by makaveli144 Have you got the standard centre section, because when I had the standard centre section and changed parts of the exhaust the centre section moved slightly on the hanger just before the silencer I think. This hanger has a little metal ball on it that was bangin on the bottom of the car and it sounded horrible. Just a suggestion.

   Now you say that mate the car went for its MOT a few weeks ago and it had a new standard centre section put on then, I'll check tomorrow!
7. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

   #7 5th June 2007, 07:27

   With a trim'd bumper its slight harder to chose a tailpipe to fill the space but its not the end of the world mate
   
   www.demon-tweeks.co.uk will be able to sell you a Universal fitting Magnex 6x4 Oval, which is a very nice looking bit of kit and you know your buy quality when you buy Magnex, its not cheap I think £120 or there abouts but it will look spot on.
   
   Your other options are other universal oval's or twin pipes.
   
   Check on www.speedbox.co.uk as they do good priced Pipers, check to see what other tailpipe fitments they list you might be in luck
   
   Hope that helps
8. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

   #8 5th June 2007, 08:39

   
   
   lol - gogogogo.
9. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

   #9 5th June 2007, 08:43

   Only thing Karl is he's got a massive hole so he needs something abit beefier to fill it.
   
   Thats why Fat birds like a bloke hung like a horse lol
10. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #10 5th June 2007, 08:44

    Source a new bumper
    no point picking a gash exhaust because of your bumper cut out?
11. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #11 5th June 2007, 23:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy With a trim'd bumper its slight harder to chose a tailpipe to fill the space but its not the end of the world mate www.demon-tweeks.co.uk will be able to sell you a Universal fitting Magnex 6x4 Oval, which is a very nice looking bit of kit and you know your buy quality when you buy Magnex, its not cheap I think £120 or there abouts but it will look spot on. Your other options are other universal oval's or twin pipes. Check on www.speedbox.co.uk as they do good priced Pipers, check to see what other tailpipe fitments they list you might be in luck Hope that helps

    
    Cheers mate, the magnex sounds good and I have considered an oval but still unsure if it would fill the hole. Pity I can't get a bumper I've cheacked ebay but no luck
12. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #12 6th June 2007, 07:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thadogg Cheers mate, the magnex sounds good and I have considered an oval but still unsure if it would fill the hole. Pity I can't get a bumper I've cheacked ebay but no luck

    Best thing to do if unsure is get a peace of card, draw a line 6' across the a line though the middle 4' hight so you make a cross then just draw from point to point making a 6x4 Oval then go outside to the car and see how it measures up
    
    Any desent exhaust fabricator or mechanic should be able get a universal Magnex box to sit correctly.
    
    I normally tell people to avoide Magnex cos they look crap but thats just the Saxo 3.5' Back box as shown below, I quite like the 6x4
    
    
13. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #13 6th June 2007, 15:53

    *Update*
    
    I've been to the local exhaust place today and as I expected the backbox is busted. It isn't the baffles though,
    the plate on the inside of the tailpipe (not the box itself) has come loose and vibrates making it sound poo.
    
    the backbox is also welded to the centre section suggesting that the current one is a universal? I've found a direct fit twin rage exhaust on fleebay click
    However the rage logo on the tailpipes is putting me off, lol!
    So I'm thinking of ringing a custom exhaust place about 20mins away, called JP stainless. Click
    Apparently their really good, so I'll give him a buzz and see how much a backbox would be, or Cat-back. That way it will fit the hole nicely!
    the hole is 8inches across so a 6 by 4 oval might not be big enough.
14. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #14 7th June 2007, 11:12

    The logos althought not the best brand could be a nice touch as I think its Sebring that have their logo's on thier tailpipes.
    
    Forget about the hole in your bumper as you could always have a chrome or metal trim fitted like on the MG's to reduce the size of the hole, also you could always sourch a bumper at a later date
15. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #15 8th June 2007, 16:21

    I rang the zorst place up today and they have quoted me 150 plus VAT for a backbox, and 280 plus VAT for a Cat back system.
    Does this sound about right??
16. doubledavies Established Member Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1400

    #16 8th June 2007, 16:24

    mine rattles too!
    
    the inner sleve on the outer casing!
    
    just spot weld it!
17. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #17 8th June 2007, 16:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by doubledavies mine rattles too! the inner sleve on the outer casing! just spot weld it!

    
    Yeah I've thought about that mate, I wasn't sure if there would be enough room to do it though.
18. lavo-vts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 derbyshire Posts: 3515 mk1 vts (ETW Mercury Grey)

    #18 8th June 2007, 16:54

    not a bad price dan, powerflow r about 235 for cat back in stainless n ur place sounds more exclusive aswell as powerflow use dumb ass tyre fitters to do all the weldin etc....... go for it bro
19. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #19 8th June 2007, 19:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lavo-vts not a bad price dan, powerflow r about 235 for cat back in stainless n ur place sounds more exclusive aswell as powerflow use dumb ass tyre fitters to do all the weldin etc....... go for it bro

    very tempted mate, don't know if to just go for the backbox or cat-back system though!
20. Jimmy-Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2006 Suffolk Posts: 7551 N/A 200bhp+ per ton 106 gti

    #20 10th June 2007, 13:25

    twin piper 3" exhaust im getting it fitted to mine soon! sounds awsome hangs lovely (my step cousin has 1) (its g btw) www.pipercams.com
    
    
21. k2thecsaxo Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Ringwood Posts: 2468 Amazon Green Mk2 VTR Wicked Red Furio

    #21 10th June 2007, 13:28

    go for cat back mate you know you want to!!
22. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #22 10th June 2007, 13:30

    tailpipe b!
23. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #23 10th June 2007, 13:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scooby-jim twin piper 3" exhaust im getting it fitted to mine soon! sounds awsome hangs lovely (my step cousin has 1) (its g btw) www.pipercams.com

    I thought you could only get the piper twin exit tails as a duplex?
24. lavo-vts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 derbyshire Posts: 3515 mk1 vts (ETW Mercury Grey)

    #24 10th June 2007, 14:02

    outward rolled dan go old school cool. thats how they all used to b back in the day
25. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #25 10th June 2007, 14:05

    Pipe design D FTW
26. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #26 10th June 2007, 14:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lavo-vts outward rolled dan go old school cool. thats how they all used to b back in the day

    I quite like outward rolled but need a twin. Think I'm going to book it into the custom place, just not sure if to go for cat back or just backbox
27. lavo-vts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 derbyshire Posts: 3515 mk1 vts (ETW Mercury Grey)

    #27 10th June 2007, 15:01

    cat back u know it makes sense
28. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #28 10th June 2007, 15:28

    yeah I'm very tempted to go cat-back. but will it make that much difference? as its nearly double the price.
29. lavo-vts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 derbyshire Posts: 3515 mk1 vts (ETW Mercury Grey)

    #29 10th June 2007, 15:32

    yeah as u can ave the centre box removed then dan more sound more flow
30. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #30 10th June 2007, 15:43

    yeah I thought it would make quite a bit of difference in sound!