Dismantling gear box to fit Quaife

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #1
    Does the whole box need stripping down or is the diff seperate. Since I blew my diff it may be easier to fit this (unless the whole box needs dismatling)

    Cheers
  2. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #2
    whole box appart, the diif is at the far end of the box, which you cant get to without removing the gearset
  3. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #3
    Bugger!

    Ah well just a good condition 2nd hand box it is for me then.

    Anyone know of one??
  4. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #4
    why not just wang on a cheap shitty 2nd hand 1.1 box for a month of so and then get yours rebuilt with a quaife?
  5. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #5
    How hard is a DIY gearbox rebuild?
  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS
    #6
    Blew a diff!!

    How did you manage that mate! lol
  7. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mystic View Post
    How hard is a DIY gearbox rebuild?
    its a bastard to do, and i wouldnt recomend it if youve never had a box in bits.
  8. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #8
    Not sure just coming out of a junction and then lost all drive. The drive shaft's CV and Clutch all seem fine so the mechanic thinks its the diff.

    Dont want a 1.1 box as there not very strong also i'd need new drive shafts. Also dont really have the £800+ for a rebuid and quaife ATM.
  9. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    its a bastard to do, and i wouldnt recomend it if youve never had a box in bits.
    Damn guess that means it could be faily costly to have it rebuilt then?

    There any guides around explaining how to do it, i'd probably be up for giving it a bash
  10. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #10
    It costs arround £300 for a rebuild with new syncro's etc. That doesn't include the cost of any new cogs if there fooked.
  11. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #11
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mystic View Post
    Damn guess that means it could be faily costly to have it rebuilt then?

    There any guides around explaining how to do it, i'd probably be up for giving it a bash
    not that expensive for a rebuild, just i personally wouldnt do it just to give it a bash, ive got an s1 rallye box here i need to take appart and rebuild, atm its still sat in my garage like it has done for the last 5 months lol
  12. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mardon View Post
    Not sure just coming out of a junction and then lost all drive. The drive shaft's CV and Clutch all seem fine so the mechanic thinks its the diff.

    Dont want a 1.1 box as there not very strong also i'd need new drive shafts. Also dont really have the £800+ for a rebuid and quaife ATM.
    didnt think you needed new shafts to run a 1.1 box as its only the hub end that effects the different drive shafts. not 100% on that though but alot of people run 1.1 boxes and dont change shafts.

    i personally dont like 1.1 boxes (they are not as good as vts boxes no matter what the fucktards say) but theyre cheap whilst getting a diff fitted
  13. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    not that expensive for a rebuild, just i personally wouldnt do it just to give it a bash, ive got an s1 rallye box here i need to take appart and rebuild, atm its still sat in my garage like it has done for the last 5 months lol
    Well a Quaife would probably be about my last mod for the saxo and im still quite a bit away from that point atm. I try to do as much as i can myself though cus i cant stand not knowing how things work! Maybe when the time comes i'll have a bit more experience and have a go.

    Failiing that ill just put all the bits in a box and take it to a garage and say "Fix it, fix it!"
  14. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mystic View Post
    Well a Quaife would probably be about my last mod for the saxo and im still quite a bit away from that point atm. I try to do as much as i can myself though cus i cant stand not knowing how things work! Maybe when the time comes i'll have a bit more experience and have a go.

    Failiing that ill just put all the bits in a box and take it to a garage and say "Fix it, fix it!"
    i just wouldnt want to make a mistake on a gearbox personally, as if you fubar it it will go wrong in a nice way, people on here like marting from tweeqed are very good with boxes imo.
  15. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.
    #15
    yea the box ends up in bit's then you have got to get the old diff pressed off, which is a bitch of a job, then the new diff pressed on, then rebuild the box back up, as the box it still in bits you should replace all the bearings then you know you have got a strong box, LSD makes a huge difference when your on track, the way the car pulls out of corners is amazing, good luck....
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS
    #16
    I had to fit a new clutch cable to my aprilia rs 125 when i had it..Had to take the gearbox casing off, somehow the cogs/synchros or whatever fell out as i took the casing off..

    Never looked inside a box before this point..anyways popped it all back together with the new clutch cable and it was fine..maybe slightly different to a car but i managed to put it all back together etc..
  17. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by James_Bristol View Post
    I had to fit a new clutch cable to my aprilia rs 125 when i had it..Had to take the gearbox casing off, somehow the cogs/synchros or whatever fell out as i took the casing off..

    Never looked inside a box before this point..anyways popped it all back together with the new clutch cable and it was fine..maybe slightly different to a car but i managed to put it all back together etc..
    ill try and dig out a pic of a ma box in bits and see why its not a piss easy job

    and hahaha! u had a crotch rocket
  18. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jackman View Post
    yea the box ends up in bit's then you have got to get the old diff pressed off, which is a bitch of a job, then the new diff pressed on, then rebuild the box back up, as the box it still in bits you should replace all the bearings then you know you have got a strong box, LSD makes a huge difference when your on track, the way the car pulls out of corners is amazing, good luck....
    indeed i cant wait to test mine at llandow.
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    ill try and dig out a pic of a ma box in bits and see why its not a piss easy job

    and hahaha! u had a crotch rocket
    LOl, ok..

    And yeah, i had one.
  20. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #20
    Not had the car for a week now and its doing my sweed in!!

    Said he'd fit the new box for £100 is that a decent price?
  21. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mardon View Post
    Not had the car for a week now and its doing my sweed in!!

    Said he'd fit the new box for £100 is that a decent price?
    seems ok.. if youve got a mate who can help you can do it easy, 3/4 starter motor bolts, 3/4 big box bolts, shafts removing etc...

    if you have some trolley jacks and axel stands you can do it in a couple of hours.

    if your getting a box change do the clutch now aswell.
  22. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.
    #22
    heres a few pics of my m8 one dunc of the rallye reg...





  23. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #23
    getting the bolts off can be a bastard, i know mankee killed his T50 on my quiafe d up box, and had a couple of uber gay bolts and thats using an airgun, theyre fucking tight.
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS
    #24
    That is a bit more complicated than the Aprilia..LOL
  25. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #25
    Alrady done the clutch last month. Thats why i'm pissed the box blew now.
  26. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mardon View Post
    Not had the car for a week now and its doing my sweed in!!

    Said he'd fit the new box for £100 is that a decent price?
    do it your self m8, it isn't really that hard, just take you time with it takes about 2 hours...
  27. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #27
    I'll look into it. Any guides anywhere?
  28. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #28
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mardon View Post
    I'll look into it. Any guides anywhere?
    buy a haynes manual! ok so its £20 but it will save hundreds in the long run
  29. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.
    #29
    there is an asum guide on 106 Rallye reg.... well worth joining just for the information that on there is unbelievable, info on anything...

    http://www.106rallye.co.uk/newforum/
  30. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #30
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jackman View Post
    there is an asum guide on 106 Rallye reg.... well worth joining just for the information that on there is unbelievable, info on anything...

    http://www.106rallye.co.uk/newforum/
    i agree alot, even if at times they can be analy retentive and very narrow minded.

    sandys hillclimb engine was an interesting read
  31. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra
    #31
    Cheers guys this is alot of help!
  32. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.
    #32
    fitting a box is easy, you should be able to do it in a few hours as said above. but if you hevnt built a few boxes before i would strongly recomend leaving it to a garage
  33. Established Member Joined: May 2007 My House in Burton on trent near derby Posts: 1025 Saxo 1.1 96 Saxo VTR 2000
    #33
    yh m8 not a bad price i charged ma m8 120 for changing his clutch which is the same really apart from u would nout need 2 remove the clutch.
  34. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #34
    you charged a mate 120 quid for changing a clutch? You robbing cunt LOL

    Rebuilding a box isnt hard if you have a bit of common sense, can remember where everything went and can be meticulous enough.

    If you dont trust yourself, I can be hired for quaife installation.
  35. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gabbastard View Post
    you charged a mate 120 quid for changing a clutch? You robbing cunt LOL

    Rebuilding a box isnt hard if you have a bit of common sense, can remember where everything went and can be meticulous enough.

    If you dont trust yourself, I can be hired for quaife installation.
    and have the tools dont forget! my s1 box wont come appart as i dont have all the bits i need
  36. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #36
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    and have the tools dont forget!
    Bit like saying dont try to have a dump if you dont have shite in your arse. Only different.
  37. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gabbastard View Post
    Bit like saying dont try to have a dump if you dont have shite in your arse. Only different.
    not everyone will have every tool though, or the brute force, i know mankee destroyed his t50 on my box. Alex was sweating like a cunt doing it by hand, mankee has the right idea with the airgun
  38. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    not everyone will have every tool though, or the brute force, i know mankee destroyed his t50 on my box. Alex was sweating like a cunt doing it by hand, mankee has the right idea with the airgun
    Moral of the story? Mankee buys cheap tools, and Alex is gay LOL
  39. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #39
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gabbastard View Post
    Moral of the story? Mankee buys cheap tools, and Alex is gay LOL
    haha ginger

    alex basically finished the wiring on my engine 2day so im saying nout
  40. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.
    #40
    well my m8 had his S1 gearbox rebuilt, off his rallye for £150 which replaces all the bearings and seals, the guy also fits diffs but at an extra cost...