GTi/VTS vs VW Golf 1.8T

1. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

   #1 18th June 2007, 16:18

   A friend of a friend reckons his VW Golf 1.8T will ruin my lil 106 GTi...
   
   150bhp housed in something alot heavier than my tin can, has not been modded under the bonnet nor is it the anniversary edition with 180bhp. Although it does have a dump valve as he insists on dumping it every 20 secs. And a top speed of 130mph I really don't think so???
   
   What do you think?
   
   And no I don't condone racing on public roads etc driving like a cunt etc Mc Donalds car park or anything similar so don't have a go!!!
2. Leo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2005 T A M W O R T H Posts: 6080 106 GTI

   #2 18th June 2007, 16:19

   id think the gti would be quicker or very simalar
3. Luke_vts Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Herts Posts: 645 vts

   #3 18th June 2007, 16:26

   1.8T is that the TDI?
4. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

   #4 18th June 2007, 16:27

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Leo id think the gti would be quicker or very simalar

   Id like to think so, cant see 150bhp in something that heavy being quicker off the mark than mine...
5. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

   #5 18th June 2007, 16:27

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Luke_vts 1.8T is that the TDI?

   Nah petrol...
6. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

   #6 18th June 2007, 16:29

   The 1.8T is a lot slower to 60/100 unless it's a 180BHP model
7. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

   #7 18th June 2007, 16:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by CampDavid The 1.8T is a lot slower to 60/100 unless it's a 180BHP model

   Standard kit/wheels its definitely not the 180 Anniversary model
8. Davidp Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 12553

   #8 18th June 2007, 16:31

   I reckon you'd out do him in the gti...
   Especially with that added 10% bhp of the speeddent
9. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

   #9 18th June 2007, 16:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by David I reckon you'd out do him in the gti... Especially with that added 10% bhp of the speeddent

   Lol! SpeedDent TM is now fixed... Ahhh memories
10. Luke_vts Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Herts Posts: 645 vts

    #10 18th June 2007, 16:34

    VW Golf 1.8T 0-60 = 8.5 seconds
    
    So your GTi would beat it to 60mph
11. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

    #11 18th June 2007, 16:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Luke_vts VW Golf 1.8T 0-60 = 8.5 seconds So your GTi would beat it to 60mph

    Mine has 4 branch, decat etc etc so thats an extra 3.8333* BHP extra too LOL
12. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #12 18th June 2007, 16:38

    Info from Parkers
    
    Golf 1.8T
    
    CC - 1781
    BHP- 150
    Top Speed - 134mph
    0-60- 8.2secs
    
    106 GTI
    
    CC - 1587
    BHP- 120
    Max Speed - 128mph
    0-60 - 8.4secs
    
    VTS for comparison
    
    CC - 1587
    BHP- 120
    Max speed - 127mph
    0-60 - 7.5secs
    
    I always question Parkers accuracy, i cant believe that for the same engine and almost the same car that the 0-60 time is 0.9secs in favour of the Saxo
    
    On a similar note they also have the wrong figures for VTR bhp aswel
13. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

    #13 18th June 2007, 16:41

    GTi/VTS comparison figures are ridiculous, how the hell do they work that out?? Ive also done alot more than the stated top speed, speedo accurate or not. Naughty I know
14. Davidp Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 12553

    #14 18th June 2007, 16:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willsy On a similar note they also have the wrong figures for VTR bhp aswel

    I noticed that the other day too...!
15. dannyjay Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 Retford, Notts Posts: 5491

    #15 18th June 2007, 21:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cal106gti Standard kit/wheels its definitely not the 180 Anniversary model

    Theres a 180bhp standard looking gti.
16. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #16 18th June 2007, 21:27

    Thanks Matt for bringing up the whole GTi/VTS 0 to 60 saga.... lol!
    
    The standard 1.8T Golf is wank and feels like a boat on wheels. The 2.0 non
    turbo is even more shite but we arent on about that GTi.
    
    Anniversary I haven't been in/driven but packs a lot more power!
17. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #17 18th June 2007, 21:28

    Person you need to ask about this is gav as he went from a vts to one of these golfs so he would know whats quicker imo the golf would edge it
18. Danr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Charming man Posts: 15880 Charming car

    #18 18th June 2007, 21:31

    As mentioned it depends what you are racing to, quarter mile i'd say the golf. The top end pull would be alot more so would probabely win. The gti would be ahead at 60mph though.
    
    A guy i work with has a 270bhp golf. Absolutely awesome. Wheelspins all the way through second in the dry!!!!
19. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

    #19 19th June 2007, 09:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dannyjay Theres a 180bhp standard looking gti.

    Its all acedemic now anyways!!! Went round some B roads last night with him and cleanly beat him to every roundabout.
20. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #20 19th June 2007, 09:16

    Id favour the 106 GTi to about 75mph
21. middleweight Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 northampton Posts: 736 Saxo VTS

    #21 19th June 2007, 11:43

    i have a vts and a 1.8 t
    the vts is quicker to about 90-95
    then the golf comes back and kills it lol
22. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

    #22 19th June 2007, 11:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by middleweight i have a vts and a 1.8 t the vts is quicker to about 90-95 then the golf comes back and kills it lol

    I class that as a win for the French Tuna Tin
23. mardon Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra

    #23 19th June 2007, 12:17

    Who in their right mind would race past 95 anyhoo! On a circuit it doesn't matter if there was a long strait as you'd have already gained a good lead in the corners IMO
    
    Although the 1.8t can be chiped up quite well.
    
    Is this the same engine as in the Audi TT 1.8T My mates getting one and says it'll be miles faster. I'm inclined to think no.. Specialy since mine has a few treats fitted
24. Japman Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Costa del Wales Posts: 12393 Spam Wagon

    #24 19th June 2007, 12:18

    be a good race on a 1/4 mile me thinks
25. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #25 19th June 2007, 12:20

    yep, probably mid 15s for the pair.
26. mardon Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra

    #26 19th June 2007, 12:22

    http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp - Not 100% but gives an ok indication. IMO the 15.61s about right for a 135 saxo.
    
    Volkswagen Golf 1.8T Gti 150 1236 123.31BHP per ton - estimated quater mile time 16.76 terminal speed 84.25
    
    Citroen Saxo VTS (*135bhp) 02 135 935 146.70 per ton - estimated quater mile 15.61 terminal speed 89.43
27. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #27 19th June 2007, 12:27

    except the VTS doesnt have 135bhp.
28. Gully Newbie Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 16 1.1i Blue Saxo East coast

    #28 19th June 2007, 12:30

    Golf-t and the 106 gti would be a close call till 80 odd, the golf would defo do it past that, i know its heavy but you got to remember that the golf has 20v and a turbo. Pretty much the same with the vts apart from 0-100 odd the vts would do it.
29. mardon Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra

    #29 19th June 2007, 12:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Soulless except the VTS doesnt have 135bhp.

    Yeah but the guy said he has done stuff to his so his'll be arround 135 hence why I used that comparison.
30. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

    #30 19th June 2007, 12:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mardon Yeah but the guy said he has done stuff to his so his'll be arround 135 hence why I used that comparison.

    SS Janspeed system/decat. Sportex 4-2-1 mani and Green Cotton is all Ive done really. I cleanly beat him to 100mph anyways, thats good enough for me
31. mardon Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra

    #31 19th June 2007, 12:40

    You wont be far of 135 with that I bet!
    
    You be faster yeah and the fact the standard 1.8t looks tosh also makes yours better IMO
32. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

    #32 19th June 2007, 12:42

    Nice GTi btw Mardon...
33. mardon Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra

    #33 19th June 2007, 12:51

    Cheers bud
    
    Get it back tonight with new gear box. Not had it for nearly 2 weeks, sucks getting the bus!
34. Cal Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Conwy Posts: 7982 Fwee Fiddy Z, 182Cup, 106 GTaiiii, School Bus.

    #34 19th June 2007, 12:55

    Tell me bout it! Not long had mine back after some bint reversed into my door lol
35. mardon Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Wirral Posts: 606 mk5 Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra

    #35 19th June 2007, 12:58

    I'll try and dig out the pics tonight. I had pretty much the same thing happen. Some bloke smacked into the door when it was open. Sounds like my fault but wasn't, its a complicated one to explain.
    
    The annoying thing is I only changed the clutch last month so had the box out then..
36. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #36 19th June 2007, 12:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mardon Cheers bud Get it back tonight with new gear box. Not had it for nearly 2 weeks, sucks getting the bus!

    Happens to us all
37. shahvts Newbie Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18

    #37 1st July 2007, 17:08

    look mate iv done a golf gti 1.8t silly on my vts and it had a full load me and 4passengers leaving him about a car gap so you could imagine. if i was alone how much gap i would have left the gti, and o yeah the gti just had a driver in it.
38. aly888 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Bedford Posts: 289 2002 VTR; 2000 Furio (DEAD); 1993 Fiesta (DEAD);

    #38 1st July 2007, 17:44

    but the 1.8t is still a better engine over all!!
    
    you may beat him standard, but it doesnt take much for that engine to be running alot more power...which isnt as easy in the 106 or saxos!! the only edge our 106/saxos have is their handling!!