Turning engine round

23rd June 2007, 20:07

This may not be possible at all and i know it would be a lot of custom work to do it, (engine mounts, exhaust etc)

But i have my vts on throttle bodies & they are positioned at the back where it is really hot. Has anybody ever thought of turning the engine around so the throttle bodies are at the front.

Obvuisly it would have to be positioned the other side (where the battery is) but under the bonnet looks the same both sides 2 me so dont see why you couldnt just swap the battery & everything to the other side.

I know it would be alot of work but would be alot better 4 throttle bodies. Everyone is going on about rwd and 4wd saxos & i doubt it would cost more than doing that.

A project idea maybe??? Or just plain stupid i dont know???

23rd June 2007, 20:09

Well it would be alot of custom work and alot of money. and one big thing, you would have 1 forward gear and 5 reverse gears.

23rd June 2007, 20:12

lmao. 1 forward and 5 back

23rd June 2007, 20:14

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what type of intake and material are you using to channel the air to the Bodies?

23rd June 2007, 20:15

if it was simple it would be done.

im sure gearbox issues. pas pumps everything would make it implausable,

and the gearbox may be a huge contriubuting factor.

if you have a good inlet sytem the TBs dont draw in hot air.

23rd June 2007, 20:19

yeh i suppose, lol

i havent got an airbox yet, i was thinking about making 1 but not sure on lengths and sizes of things, a pic would be good?

i presume with the actual airbox the bigger the better??? Or am i wrong?

Also what size inlet pipe, the bigger the better again? Where to take it from?

Also not sure what to make it out of, carbon fibre or aluminium?

23rd June 2007, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamhighfield

yeh i suppose, lol

i havent got an airbox yet, i was thinking about making 1 but not sure on lengths and sizes of things, a pic would be good?

i presume with the actual airbox the bigger the better??? Or am i wrong?

Also what size inlet pipe, the bigger the better again? Where to take it from?

Also not sure what to make it out of, carbon fibre or aluminium?

no airbox?

wheres the air filter then?

23rd June 2007, 20:24

carbon box imo! alu is a metal so heats up.

bics car uses an airbox with a green filter cut into it, no cold air feed, it draws air from the scuttle area.

or look at JPsaxos 1.4-tb16v project thread for his gmc airbox

23rd June 2007, 20:27

I'm not convinced by the whole Carbon Fibre thing for intake systems...

normal plastic will be provide sufficient heat soak protection and is farrr cheaper

23rd June 2007, 20:30

i have cut the bulkhead on my saxo so i could use the air from the scuttle couldnt i?

Only thing is i wouldnt of thought much air would be able 2 get there?

23rd June 2007, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

I'm not convinced by the whole Carbon Fibre thing for intake systems...

normal plastic will be provide sufficient heat soak protection and is farrr cheaper

But its lighter, and everyone loves carbon fibre

Slight side note, not going to FCS, if ya still want that filter well have to sort something out unless you wanna wait til trax

23rd June 2007, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamhighfield

i have cut the bulkhead on my saxo so i could use the air from the scuttle couldnt i?

Only thing is i wouldnt of thought much air would be able 2 get there?

theres a high pressure zone irc at the bottom of the windshield so you would get air in.

your engine can only use a certain ammount of air. chucking more air at it than it can use wont give more powaaaa

23rd June 2007, 20:46

yeh i suppose, so if i build a carbon fibre box, all enclosed with a built in air filter right next to the scuttle area i have cut out.

Are you saying this would be the best thing to do?

Also what air filter is best to use? just a green panel filter or something?

23rd June 2007, 20:48

Also shall i make the boz as big as possible? As it would go down behind the engine alot if i wanted it to?

23rd June 2007, 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

But its lighter, and everyone loves carbon fibre

Slight side note, not going to FCS, if ya still want that filter well have to sort something out unless you wanna wait til trax

damn you!!!!one eleven!!! you were one of the many peeps i was looking forward to meeting.
where do you live dude?

plastic is pretty light man, CF's main strength is...well.... its strength (stiffness) lol
CF as an intake isnt really providing and structural support to the car lol

23rd June 2007, 20:48

box* lol

23rd June 2007, 20:55

focus on keeping the intake diameters fairly large... not too large... that'll mean the flow of air is slower which gives it more time to heat up within the intake if pipeing is particularly warm

Making it too small will be quite restrictive obviously lol.

3-4" shouldn't be a problem.

Try to minimise the total length of the intake as the longer it is the more restrictive it becomes.

23rd June 2007, 20:58

search for pics of the intakes i cant be paffed 2nite lol

24th June 2007, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamhighfield

This may not be possible at all and i know it would be a lot of custom work to do it, (engine mounts, exhaust etc)

But i have my vts on throttle bodies & they are positioned at the back where it is really hot. Has anybody ever thought of turning the engine around so the throttle bodies are at the front.

Obvuisly it would have to be positioned the other side (where the battery is) but under the bonnet looks the same both sides 2 me so dont see why you couldnt just swap the battery & everything to the other side.

I know it would be alot of work but would be alot better 4 throttle bodies. Everyone is going on about rwd and 4wd saxos & i doubt it would cost more than doing that.

A project idea maybe??? Or just plain stupid i dont know???

There is no real point in doing it. But if you really want it to be like this it would be easyer to just drop in a EW engine (206 GTI 180 ans such like)

24th June 2007, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamhighfield

This may not be possible at all and i know it would be a lot of custom work to do it, (engine mounts, exhaust etc)

But i have my vts on throttle bodies & they are positioned at the back where it is really hot. Has anybody ever thought of turning the engine around so the throttle bodies are at the front.

Obvuisly it would have to be positioned the other side (where the battery is) but under the bonnet looks the same both sides 2 me so dont see why you couldnt just swap the battery & everything to the other side.

I know it would be alot of work but would be alot better 4 throttle bodies. Everyone is going on about rwd and 4wd saxos & i doubt it would cost more than doing that.

A project idea maybe??? Or just plain stupid i dont know???

Its not stupid but there are other solutions to look at. Effective heatwrapping, vents and induction boxes are far cheaper..

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

I'm not convinced by the whole Carbon Fibre thing for intake systems...

normal plastic will be provide sufficient heat soak protection and is far cheaper

wooooo! finally lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

But its lighter, and everyone loves carbon fibre

a few companies have been experimenting with plastic panels as they offer similar weight loss at affordable prices. Lotus certainly have...
Carbon does look nice though :d

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXracing

There is no real point in doing it. But if you really want it to be like this it would be easyer to just drop in a EW engine (206 GTI 180 ans such like)

Its not really technically difficult but you need to turn the drive the other way round which will require a custom gearbox, though you might be able to use a honda gearbox as some of their cars run with the gearbox on the drivers side.
Other than a custom manifold and driveshafts its not really much of a challenge but its a lot of money to spend.
EW engine is very tall so look at the XU engines instead. Far more off the shelf parts which will be cheaper in the long run...

24th June 2007, 12:15

pics of gmcs airbox + jenvey SFs + 180 degree trumpets

24th June 2007, 12:24

a french custom design

24th June 2007, 12:27

when bic got banned from ssc, his pics of the 206longmans airbox they adapted got lost grrrrrr

24th June 2007, 13:40

Vauxhall Used to use reverse heads on the C20XE engine in the cav touring cars

Bit of a crap pic but you get the Idea, TB`s at the front exhaust manifold at the back

24th June 2007, 14:17

why was bic bannd from SSC? i would personly go for carbon fibre box as looks the dogs and is strong and light. Jpsaxo has a good system the same as one of the above pics

24th June 2007, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyk

Vauxhall Used to use reverse heads on the C20XE engine in the cav touring cars

Bit of a crap pic but you get the Idea, TB`s at the front exhaust manifold at the back

so do, xu engines like gti-6, gti180 etc..

24th June 2007, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by awright

why was bic bannd from SSC? i would personly go for carbon fibre box as looks the dogs and is strong and light. Jpsaxo has a good system the same as one of the above pics

bic was banned along time ago from ssc for reasons that its not right to talk about now on public forums.

jpsaxo (josh) has the GMC kit like posted with the fiberglass airbox

24th June 2007, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by awright

i would personly go for carbon fibre box as looks the dogs and is strong and light

Trueish... but most of the time I understand its not safe to leave your bonnet open whilst driving... the types of stiffness exhibited by CF is completely OTT for an intake... however it does mean that the thickness of the piping can be much thinner, downside is that then you get insufficient heat protection from thinner wall... so really its unnecessary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

bic was banned along time ago from ssc for reasons that its not right to talk about now on public forum

tell us anyway.

24th June 2007, 20:22

lol

ryan it is pugsport that has the scoob that sits on the bottom of the car and shoots the air up. i cant remember if there was a box with that design or not. ?

24th June 2007, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

lol

ryan it is pugsport that has the scoob that sits on the bottom of the car and shoots the air up. i cant remember if there was a box with that design or not. ?

pugsport 106 bonnets have a scoop internally built into the frame and a box for the bodies irc.. the air passes from the front of the bonnet in the underbonnet skin into the bodies

24th June 2007, 20:33

so what am i on about then, lol ive seen the pics, sure it was made out of carbon and cost a shit load