box or clutch????

1. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

   #1 24th June 2007, 10:58

   heres my problem, when the cars running there is like a whinning/grinding noise coming from the box. when the clutch is pressed in it stops. is this the clutch thats fooked or the box?
   
   along with this is the grinding/clucking noise when i set off fast or set off up a hill (when the engine is under alot of force/pressure)?
   
   any ideas?
2. carlos45 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Wakefield Posts: 2257 Sax-Low GTI RIP! MK1 VTS MK2 106 GTI

   #2 24th June 2007, 11:59

   sounds like release bearing mate, but then as ya go on about the gearbox, it seems it could be the gearbox (and/or) as ya know mine was knackered, the release bearing had come off the spindle (which was fooked) so the oil was leaking from there, which soaked the clutch in gear oil, rendering it pretty much useless! the syptoms of this were, whining release bearing, then as i set off there was a real loud whine from the gearbox then it would grind until i changed gear, and of course the slipping clutch! but got new clutch a gearbox all fitted for...£150!! (sorry for the essay!!!)
3. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

   #3 24th June 2007, 12:02

   so your saying it could be the box and or the clutch? which is what im trying to find out
4. carlos45 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Wakefield Posts: 2257 Sax-Low GTI RIP! MK1 VTS MK2 106 GTI

   #4 24th June 2007, 12:11

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Mark51 so your saying it could be the box and or the clutch? which is what im trying to find out

   well, ya clutch release bearing sounds like its definately fookt! and the whining/grinding when ya set off points to the box tbh mate!
5. patrick2403 Established Member Joined: Oct 2005 Preston Posts: 1498 106 GTi

   #5 24th June 2007, 12:16

   i got same problem its your box mate its fubar'd
6. carlos45 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Wakefield Posts: 2257 Sax-Low GTI RIP! MK1 VTS MK2 106 GTI

   #6 24th June 2007, 12:17

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by patrick2403 i got same problem its your box mate its fubar'd

   must be the time of year for boxes to go! lol
7. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

   #7 24th June 2007, 12:19

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by patrick2403 i got same problem its your box mate its fubar'd

   what makes you say its my box?
8. patrick2403 Established Member Joined: Oct 2005 Preston Posts: 1498 106 GTi

   #8 24th June 2007, 12:20

   yeah mate i just picked up a new one from some where in geordie land 40k £175 delivered 3 month warranty isnt too bad have a look on this site http://www.partsgateway.com
9. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

   #9 24th June 2007, 12:44

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by carlos45 well, ya clutch release bearing sounds like its definately fookt! and the whining/grinding when ya set off points to the box tbh mate!

   If its your thrust bearing it will whine when you press the clutch in
10. carlos45 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Wakefield Posts: 2257 Sax-Low GTI RIP! MK1 VTS MK2 106 GTI

    #10 24th June 2007, 12:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxoash If its your thrust bearing it will whine when you press the clutch in

    it whined on mine when it wasnt pressed, and my bearing was totally knackered.
11. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #11 24th June 2007, 13:06

    its not the clutch bearing then as it only makes a noise when the clutch is out
12. carlos45 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Wakefield Posts: 2257 Sax-Low GTI RIP! MK1 VTS MK2 106 GTI

    #12 24th June 2007, 13:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mark51 its not the clutch bearing then as it only makes a noise when the clutch is out

    so did mine and it was the bearing, as well as the plate being worn and bearings falling out all over the place! lol (that was the first clutch im now on my third)
13. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

    #13 24th June 2007, 13:23

    First port of call is your thrust bearing mate, i've had the same sounding problem for a long time and never had time to sort it. I thought it was the box untill recently i read something about it which has convinced me its the release bearing, i'll see if i can find the quote.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mystic Yeh, thats the way i understood that it worked too but i was told differently by the mechanic diagnosing it (seems like he wanted me to get a new gearbox from him), i've done a bit of digging and i take back all that i said about it being the gearbox. The basic symptom of a clutch release / throwout bearing going is a rumbling noise while the clutch is engaged - Source

14. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #14 24th June 2007, 13:33

    when the clutch is engaged it only does it when the clutch is out on mine
15. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #15 25th June 2007, 06:39

    bump for the morning lot
16. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

    #16 25th June 2007, 11:45

    take the box off and you will see what the problem is
    , my guess is the bearing mine did the same as yours on my vtr engine when i removed the box the bearing was destroyed lol,
    
    i just so happen to have a brand new clutch kit for a vtr and a vtr box
    
    
17. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

    #17 25th June 2007, 12:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mark51 when the clutch is engaged it only does it when the clutch is out on mine

    The clutch is engaged when you dont touch the pedal. Pushing the pedal to the floor disengages it.
    
    The english language & the nature of the clutch makes it really awkward to talk about unless we dumb it down to describing the physical position of the pedal
18. Japman Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Costa del Wales Posts: 12393 Spam Wagon

    #18 25th June 2007, 12:09

    sounds like the thrust bearing to me
19. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #19 25th June 2007, 12:14

    I have similar issues. Probably gonna source a new clutch and a 1.1 box. You get a big whiiiiiirrr when pulling away?
20. carlos45 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Wakefield Posts: 2257 Sax-Low GTI RIP! MK1 VTS MK2 106 GTI

    #20 25th June 2007, 12:16

    yeah, engaged is obviously when the clutch is out, thus engaging allowing you to drive, and if its disengaged its no long touching plate, allowing you to change gear. LOL, there always seems to be a big confusion when it comes to clutches!
21. carlos45 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Wakefield Posts: 2257 Sax-Low GTI RIP! MK1 VTS MK2 106 GTI

    #21 25th June 2007, 12:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo I have similar issues. Probably gonna source a new clutch and a 1.1 box. You get a big whiiiiiirrr when pulling away?

    yeah i had that mate, its sounds like a super charger! lol, then if ya keep driving in first the whiiiiiiirrrr turns into a grind?
22. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #22 25th June 2007, 17:55

    so thrust bearing it is then?
23. carlos45 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Wakefield Posts: 2257 Sax-Low GTI RIP! MK1 VTS MK2 106 GTI

    #23 25th June 2007, 18:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mark51 so thrust bearing it is then?

    yeah mate, id say so, not sure about ya box tho? it'll be a pain in the ass if ya change ya clutch and find out ya box is fooked as well!!
24. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #24 26th June 2007, 07:10

    ^^ i know, going to take it down to crispy's sometime this week