VTS with no ABS, MOT due soon, Help please!

1. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

   #1 2nd July 2007, 17:04

   w reg vts with no abs light.
   abs as standard im certain.
   abs clearly is not working as i have just left 2 big black lines on the local dual carriageway.
   abs dash light is, i guess, either broken or has been removed by previous owner.
   will this fail me my mot?
   is it best to leave it as it is (presuming it is going to be mot compliant), fix the abs problem entirely, or remove the abs entirely?
   i have a 266mm brake conversion to be fitted post mot - so is the abs necessary anyway?
   what do others do?
   ta!
2. R085_VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 574

   #2 2nd July 2007, 18:32

   ABS is neccesary, how ever it depends how switched on your tester is too if he knows it should have abs etc, personally it sounds like someone has removed the bulb and it has a broken sensor probs.
3. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

   #3 2nd July 2007, 19:43

   you will fail your MOT, and the MOT tester wouldn't have to try that hard to notice it seeing as the ABS light will stay on. Try removing the sensors and cleaning them up a bit.
4. Essay Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 WSL Posts: 516 Corsa C One . Eight SRi

   #4 2nd July 2007, 20:02

   sounds like, the sensors have buggered up and some an easy fix was to take the bulb out of the abs warning light, but as far as Mot's i was told " if its there its gotta be working"
5. DevilDamo Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 13761

   #5 2nd July 2007, 22:08

   It's not a legal requirement to have ABS (obviously) but as Sean said... it will fail if it's meant to be there and it has been de-activated. Even if the warning bulb is removed, it'll still be picked up when the ECU is read. I think!?!
   
   Why not have the car plugged in to a diagnotiscs machine, see which sensor is faulty and then sort it? It is then when you have the warning lights cleared and then it should pass the MOT (the ABS that is).
6. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

   #6 3rd July 2007, 09:28

   best thing to do is go round a few garages and say will u pass it with this faul i bet 50% will say yes as they want your £40 my local garage will pass anything
7. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

   #7 3rd July 2007, 17:31

   the light is now repaired, and is lit up.
   front left and rear left on the code reader.
   will clean the buggers tomorrow and cross my fingers.
8. R085_VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 574

   #8 3rd July 2007, 17:40

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Sean you will fail your MOT, and the MOT tester wouldn't have to try that hard to notice it seeing as the ABS light will stay on. Try removing the sensors and cleaning them up a bit.

   
   how would it stay on if there is no bulb ?
9. R085_VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 574

   #9 3rd July 2007, 17:43

   cleaning wont do anything tbh as its a magnetic pulse, check your teeth on your shaft to make sure there are none missing, spray some contact cleaner on the conectors, and try disconnecting the battery too, if none of this works, new sensors are 52quid inc vat from citroen.
10. Hewhocannotbenamed Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Wiltshire Posts: 163 Saxo VTS

    #10 3rd July 2007, 17:48

    To give an idea of price, I had a front passenger side sensor replaced recently, cost my £120 for replacing and clearing the fault code.
11. R085_VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 574

    #11 3rd July 2007, 17:50

    Thats expensive, very very easy to change your self, remove wheel, remove nut that holds sensor on, and unplug it, refit new one, disconnect battery and elave half an hour, and then your away with no abs light
12. Hewhocannotbenamed Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Wiltshire Posts: 163 Saxo VTS

    #12 3rd July 2007, 20:56

    I didn't think it was that bad as citroen were quoting £75 for the sensor alone, I live in a flat in the town centre though so it isn't easy to do stuff like that on the main road!!
    I'd still have to clear the fault codes though wouldn't I?
13. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #13 3rd July 2007, 22:02

    i got my codes removed at the local garage for a fiver!
    a bargain it seems.
14. Joesnow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue

    #14 4th July 2007, 00:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by R085_VTS Thats expensive, very very easy to change your self, remove wheel, remove nut that holds sensor on, and unplug it, refit new one, disconnect battery and elave half an hour, and then your away with no abs light

    I tried leaving the battery disconnected for a whole day and it still didn’t reset? Are there any other ways to do it?
15. super_moo Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2007 Hinckly Posts: 100 MK2 red VTR

    #15 4th July 2007, 02:34

    u checked ur fuse?
16. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #16 4th July 2007, 07:48

    my fuses are ok.
    what other model of citroen/ pug uses saxo abs sensors? i reckon finding a broken vts locally will be hard.
17. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #17 4th July 2007, 14:26

    125.51 spent and 1 front and 1 rear abs sensor incoming tomorrow.
    shitroen stealers.
18. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

    #18 4th July 2007, 14:34

    i have a front sensor id have sold u for bout 20 quid
19. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #19 4th July 2007, 15:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L1UKEVTR i have a front sensor id have sold u for bout 20 quid

    gutted!
    i would of bought it, too late now.
    thanks anyway.
20. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #20 4th July 2007, 15:23

    i keep flirting with mine, keeps comin on and off
21. liamk15 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2005 North east Posts: 6123 Type-r

    #21 4th July 2007, 15:26

    you got a rear sensor luke?
    
    could you not have tried somewhere else of a senor?its guna cost me 75-80quid for a rear one fitted and code knocked off when i can be bothered to scrape somemoney together.
    
    make sure you done snap the bolt head off
22. liamk15 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2005 North east Posts: 6123 Type-r

    #22 4th July 2007, 15:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Matt i keep flirting with mine, keeps comin on and off

    
    mine did that for a while then just stayed on.You get used to it blinding you in the face.
    
    tip-dash board airfreshener does a good job of hinding it,i forgot about it for a few weeks when i put that in front
23. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #23 5th July 2007, 18:59

    changed the front sensor no problem, the rear abs sensor is a pain in the ass.
    rusted solid, managed to remove most of the sensor bar the chrome sleeve.
    im soaking wet.
    round 2 tomorrow...
24. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #24 7th July 2007, 16:08

    abs sensors now both in but light still on.
    looking more closely at the passenger side driveshaft there is no abs teeth.
    the cowboy previous owner has put a non-abs driveshaft on, new driveshaft is next on the shopping list, god damn.
25. aj-vts Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2006 Plymouth! Posts: 659 51 plate vts, b4 r plate vts

    #25 9th July 2007, 12:25

    i changed 1 of my rear ones about a month ago. £55 from citroen. was a nightmare getting the old one out though, had to get medievil on its ass as it was totally seized in there. simple job apart from that.