camming a vtr

28th July 2007, 20:21

how much roughly would it cost me to cam my vtr ???? and what would i need im new to saxos so im not sure what id need and what cams are sweeet ?

28th July 2007, 20:24

cams kit about 400 maybe more, remap probablies about 500 - 600

its best to get the remap dont after all the other mods have been done

most people say its cheaper to juts get a VTS lump in mate, can get a decent one for about 400 - 600 and then spend the rest on the insurance

28th July 2007, 20:27

yer but its just finding someone to put it in at a good price

that picture is killing me

28th July 2007, 20:29

lol if you can get it all at a good price then do it mate

think norledge is doing a group buy on cat cams still, if he gets ten people that is

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79478

28th July 2007, 20:33

wheres the link for that

28th July 2007, 20:34

tam on ssc for engine, williams to fit it

28th July 2007, 20:38

williams on here ? and whats the link for tams engine ? u boys are heros

28th July 2007, 20:40

williamsvts is his username

he will know tam aswell. something like axo16v on ssc, cant remember

28th July 2007, 20:47

id go for doin the vtr. i did and was well happy with the results

28th July 2007, 20:49

how much did it set you back ? and what bhp did ya get ?

28th July 2007, 20:56

Go for cams matey, imo everyone goes for the VTS lump and the VTR gets neglected lol.

Piper (270,285) do cams for the VTR as do kent(PT40). Piper is about 250ish for the cam of 350ish for the kits which have cam followers etc. Or Kent you can pick up the kit for £225 posted.

28th July 2007, 20:58

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Originally Posted by makaveli144

Go for cams matey, imo everyone goes for the VTS lump and the VTR gets neglected lol.

Piper (270,285) do cams for the VTR as do kent(PT40). Piper is about 250ish for the cam of 350ish for the kits which have cam followers etc. Or Kent you can pick up the kit for £225 posted.

enter james bristol

28th July 2007, 20:59

huh ? james bristol ? i myt do but what bhp wud i be looking at ?

28th July 2007, 21:01

Liking this thread also just got my saxo 2 weeks ago, which cam would be good for a non-lumpy idel? And for mods such as Airfilter,manifold,perhaps exhaust? Just trying to help me and Fairo here

28th July 2007, 21:02

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enter james bristol

He loves the 1400 engine basically. As for the bhp it would depend how mad you went with it really. You can get around VTS power but then you are restricted by the VTR gearbox. Cammed VTR is running about 122bhp.

28th July 2007, 21:20

i had piper cam kit.piper 4-2-1.no cat,ss exhaust system. and some head work done.and there is a thing u buy from peugot or citroen that u plug in that makes it not lumpy and run cleaner. it sends different signals to the air readings or somethin. for all that and my gear box refurbed and back lowered 80mm cost me £1800
stick with the vtr surprises alot of people low down. i reckon that was about 125-135 bhp i got told. i used 2 leave vts's of the mark and about to 80mph good fun

28th July 2007, 21:24

sounds promising

i had a look at your thread earlier clone to take a look at your wheels there nice in white matey !!! i want some polished vts rims i reckon

29th July 2007, 11:06

get a vts lump believe me

29th July 2007, 11:13

Cam-£230-£250 ish
Remap-£200 ish

Dont get a 16v..Citroen made other engines other than the 16v ones..The 8v's are just as worthy of tuning..

29th July 2007, 12:07

alot of people advise whacking a 16valver in there, you would get more bhp per £ that way, but i personally prefer to stay loyal to the 8v engine. you'll get more respect and satisfaction out of tuning an 8v. knowing that your cammed 8v is a worthy competition for a 16valver.

29th July 2007, 12:12

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Originally Posted by fairoS106gti

sounds promising

i had a look at your thread earlier clone to take a look at your wheels there nice in white matey !!! i want some polished vts rims i reckon

Cheers mate!

So what cam would you advice for VTR, for a non-lumpy idel and good performance, with simple mods as manifold,induction,zaust?

29th July 2007, 12:15

A standard 16v that is. And even then you haven't got the larger powerband and shorter ratio box to play with. Waste of time tuning an 8v, you could end up spending thousands and then a mildly breathed on vts would batter it.

All the people that go on about tuning the 8v have obviously never driven a 16v

29th July 2007, 12:19

I've driven an S and a cammed S, and im not denying they are awesome machines, especially when cams are introduced! but its soooo easy to say whack an S engine in it, and yes like i said doing this will give you loads more bhp per £, BUT.... i personally would get more satisfaction and alot more respect, by tuning an 8v to produce big power!

29th July 2007, 12:22

Don't wanna go to off topic here, but with a S engine won't you have to upgrade a load of other things?

Also, still.... would you say piper for a VTR cam with moderate mods? And a good idle?

29th July 2007, 12:27

piper......? which piper cam mate??

S engine will require a couple of minor upgrades, depending on what car it goes into really!

29th July 2007, 12:34

I'd say for a similar price of camming and remapping an 8v you could get a low mileage 16v engine and box fitted. And youd still want a manifold, filter and exhaust if you had the 8v. So with the vtr engine youd have what 120 brake, narrow power band, annoyingly long gearing. With the 16v you'd have 135 ish brake and a big grin on your face.

Or sell yours, but a vts for similar price then cam and remap that =

29th July 2007, 13:57

S34MER-I agree 100% mate..Its not all about having the fastest Saxo imo..its also about what gives you satisfaction..I would have more satisfaction in having my tuned 1400 8v westcoast than a 16v engine with a manifold and cat back exhaust..Cams are like £500 odd for a 16v..Everything is more expensive for them when it comes to tuning as they are the most popular engine to tune..

GT3-I have driven a C2 GT (1.6 16v 110bhp) and a C2 Loeb (1.6 16v 125bhp) and although when you hit 4k rpm it pulls better than the 8v its not that special imo..

29th July 2007, 14:22

Camming a 16v is cheaper, they have vernier pulleys standard, and you can get a set of newman ph3 (same as 708s etc) cams for 200 quid.

C2s have milder cams, weigh more and non-sport ratios iirc.

29th July 2007, 14:27

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Originally Posted by GT3

Camming a 16v is cheaper, they have vernier pulleys standard, and you can get a set of newman ph3 (same as 708s etc) cams for 200 quid.

C2s have milder cams, weigh more and non-sport ratios iirc.

C2 GT has a close ratio box iirc..

Of course they will be sports ratio's and stuff, its like a newer and improved saxo..lol

29th July 2007, 14:32

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Originally Posted by GT3

I'd say for a similar price of camming and remapping an 8v you could get a low mileage 16v engine and box fitted. And youd still want a manifold, filter and exhaust if you had the 8v. So with the vtr engine youd have what 120 brake, narrow power band, annoyingly long gearing. With the 16v you'd have 135 ish brake and a big grin on your face.

Or sell yours, but a vts for similar price then cam and remap that =

I see what you mean mate, declaring a VTS would be a big no no for me atm, but i guess so would cams, and i would be stupid not to claim them, right ?

Perhaps for once, i should save. Although i like to spend on my cars as it's fun

29th July 2007, 14:50

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Originally Posted by James_Bristol

C2 GT has a close ratio box iirc..

Of course they will be sports ratio's and stuff, its like a newer and improved saxo..lol

Newer and improved yet with 5 more bhp it is a second slower to 60. And a lot slower to 100.

29th July 2007, 23:25

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Originally Posted by GT3

Newer and improved yet with 5 more bhp it is a second slower to 60. And a lot slower to 100.

Much better car though..

29th July 2007, 23:44

Prefer a Saxo over the C2, though the C2 is the new Saxo but they dont look anything like eachother im sure when u design a newer version u shud still have some of the old looks aswell.......dont get me wrong C2 are nice cars but with that extra power the performce is shockin........my work mate drove a C2 VTS cos was gonna get one for the misses and he said nothin to it old Saxo's much quicker.....cos his misses also had a Saxo VTR before

30th July 2007, 00:10

the only problem is finding a decent low mileage s engine, they seem to be as hard as finding btb's and pro comp stuff

i think cause of this big power 8 valves will become more popular altho id prefer a 206 1.6 16v engine though

do what you want mate but your going to have to do alot of work to keep up with an s

30th July 2007, 00:19

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I'd say for a similar price of camming and remapping an 8v you could get a low mileage 16v engine and box fitted. And youd still want a manifold, filter and exhaust if you had the 8v. So with the vtr engine youd have what 120 brake, narrow power band, annoyingly long gearing. With the 16v you'd have 135 ish brake and a big grin on your face.

A standard VTS does not produce 135bhp which ever way you look at it, at the fly or wheels, also changing the VTR Box to something with shorter ratios isnt a major thing so there goes the long gearing. Also the cost of modding a VTS is higher then the R due to having 2 cams etc not to mention insurance.

30th July 2007, 18:39

135 brake with manifold,decat, induction and exhaust not standard you plum.

Cams on a vts are actually cheaper as they have vernier pulleys standard.

Seriously why waste your time tuning an 8v when a 16v is such a cheap and worthwhile conversion. Or just sell up and buy a vts.

31st July 2007, 10:34

ive driven an s2 rallye with a gti conversion which was around 140bhp and that was awsome, and i want to do something like that when i get rid of my vtr, but i am still going to cam my vtr because i have always wanted to tune the 8v lump, each to there own i suppose.

31st July 2007, 10:42

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135 brake with manifold,decat, induction and exhaust not standard you plum.

You didnt say that did you you apple.