shud i be beating a standard vtr

1. calis06 Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4

   #1 31st July 2007, 21:52

   ive got a 4 to 2 to 1 manifold on my vtr wiv a d cat pipe n a pipercross filter. my engine is the black top i raced my maye whos is standard but wiv the engine wiv the citreon sign on it ive been told his is a faster engine shud he be keepin up wiv me wiv my mods
2. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #2 31st July 2007, 22:12

   the engines are the same even though one has more bhp
3. Aron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 3554 EP3 Civic

   #3 31st July 2007, 22:22

   with an open pipercross filter you could beat him on getting though a tank of fuel the quickest
4. Andy_S Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Derby Posts: 1548 Saxo VTS

   #4 31st July 2007, 22:41

   Sounds like yours is the 90bhp engine where his is the 100bhp engine.
   
   Them mods arent gonna do a great deal in performance anyway.
5. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

   #5 31st July 2007, 22:43

   his car could have more umph in it due to how its been treated in the past.
   he could be a better driver
   he could have a better tyre/suspension set up.
   
   an exhaust system and a filter isnt gonna see you going to transform your Saxo into a ferrari.
6. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

   #6 31st July 2007, 22:45

   your engine loses bhp with old age and useage etc
   
   theres not much difference between a 90 bhp vtr and a 98 bhp vtr, infact the 90 bhp was lighter
   
   them mods are good for about 4 - 6 bhp max all depends on whick air filter your going on about too, open or enclosed??
7. Tobs Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 London Posts: 3416

   #7 31st July 2007, 22:47

   id just splash your money on a bigger car
8. Saxo_Steve Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Prestwick Posts: 952 Saxo VTR mk2

   #8 31st July 2007, 22:49

   What kind of exhaust system and manifold do you have? If it's a custom one you could be losing power there aswell as losing power with your filter.
9. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

   #9 1st August 2007, 09:01

   Right bascially the 'Simple' difference between the two was where the cat was.
   
   Early R models had the cat under the car like a S where as the later models had the cat in the manifold.
   
   There where a few other little things but very little. 10bhp wont win you a race as a less powerfull car with a lighter body or better tyres or shorter gearing could beat a more powerfull car.
   
   If your looking to improve your cars performance have a read up on simple breathing mods in my BIG exhaust thread and BID induction thread.
   
   Like mentioned above a change in airfilter to one that is protected from the engine bays warm air ie Heat Soak will help, good quality exhaust system will also improve performance. Look to a desent set or front tyres and maybe a decent clutch (when its time to replace yours) as you can have all the power in the world but if you cant put it down you might aswell just go home
10. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

    #10 1st August 2007, 11:14

    To be honest, with mods it seems to make the car sluggish imo.
    
    I've also noticed it, and mine has BMC, manifold etc... And still it doesnt seem to have great accelaration concidering standard models.
11. Dan Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2003 Middlesbrough United Kingdom (England) Posts: 23676 Seat Leon FR

    #11 1st August 2007, 12:25

    Depends what year the other vtr is as the later mk1's had the 90bhp silver top engines too.
    
    If you have an open piperx filter, that wont do you any good.
12. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #12 1st August 2007, 12:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AnthonyVTS To be honest, with mods it seems to make the car sluggish imo. I've also noticed it, and mine has BMC, manifold etc... And still it doesnt seem to have great accelaration concidering standard models.

    
    The thing with tuning is you normally sacrifise one area to gain in another.
    
    No one mod will improve the car fully across the specturm with out losing something.
13. Reef Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 Birmingham Posts: 2524 Leon Cupra 20V 1.8T Lancer Evo III

    #13 1st August 2007, 12:30

    Basic mods wont do much mate, filter, zorst etc, one step further will see you results.