fast road/ rally cam !

1. Jules Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Paisley Posts: 3314 Subaru Impreza & Saxo vtr phase 2

   #1 8th August 2007, 17:52

   How much more power do they give and is it worth gettin it fitted ? Got a ss back box n a KnN replacement element (mite be changeing it for an induction kit). Any comments would be nice !!!!!
   
   Jules
2. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #2 8th August 2007, 17:56

   how long is a piece of string?
   
   what cam, different makes make different spec shafts, also more wild cam shafts you cant run on standard set up,k you need bodies etc...
3. Jules Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Paisley Posts: 3314 Subaru Impreza & Saxo vtr phase 2

   #3 8th August 2007, 18:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 how long is a piece of string? what cam, different makes make different spec shafts, also more wild cam shafts you cant run on standard set up,k you need bodies etc...

   lol sorry its a piper cam !
   
   Jules
4. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #4 8th August 2007, 18:08

   which one...
   
   specific cam not just fast road etc...
   
   there is many.
   
   270/285 etc..?
5. Jules Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Paisley Posts: 3314 Subaru Impreza & Saxo vtr phase 2

   #5 8th August 2007, 18:15

   omg you dont ask much of a gal !!!!! just looked its a 270
6. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #6 8th August 2007, 18:20

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jul2vtr omg you dont ask much of a gal !!!!! just looked its a 270

   
   well it will all be different depending on what information wont it
   
   i could say the car would make 3000bhp on a set cam only to find your looking at a different cam profile!
   
   270 is fairly mild, with decent breathing mods etc.. and a good map id expect 110-115 on a 90bhp engine roughly, maybe a lot more but you wont be hitting huge power.
   
   should give nice power curve though and a good drive.
7. Jules Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Paisley Posts: 3314 Subaru Impreza & Saxo vtr phase 2

   #7 8th August 2007, 18:23

   thats great
8. Jules Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Paisley Posts: 3314 Subaru Impreza & Saxo vtr phase 2

   #8 8th August 2007, 18:26

   ment thats great thanks for the info !! Now i have to find some where thats decent to fit it !!!!!
   
   Jules
9. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #9 8th August 2007, 18:28

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jul2vtr ment thats great thanks for the info !! Now i have to find some where thats decent to fit it !!!!! Jules

   id try searching on here for piper 270 to see what other users have had them fitted feel it performs like, either way caming an engine gives better power.
   
   a map ontop though makes it an expensive job to do so make sure you mae the right decision first time round.
10. JoeFurio Established Member Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1109

    #10 8th August 2007, 18:34

    get a vts
11. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #11 8th August 2007, 18:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoeFurio get a vts

    on bodies
12. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #12 8th August 2007, 18:56

    a 270 would be to mild, you want a 285.
    
    before you consider it aswell, you want a manifold change first and prob induction kit. youll need remap if fitting cam aswell with a vernier pulley, cam belt etc
13. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #13 8th August 2007, 18:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit a 270 would be to mild, you want a 285. before you consider it aswell, you want a manifold change first and prob induction kit. youll need remap if fitting cam aswell with a vernier pulley, cam belt etc

    agree a 270 is mild, but its better than standard.
14. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #14 8th August 2007, 19:00

    but not worth it with remap etc
    
    come on look after her
15. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #15 8th August 2007, 19:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit but not worth it with remap etc come on look after her

    it is worth it for some gain, not everyone wants huge power.
    
    read my comments though earlier about selecting the cam choice right first time! and that the 270 was mild
16. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #16 8th August 2007, 19:06

    i know what you said but she wouldnt have known prob the better option or say other options that may have been more suited
17. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #17 8th August 2007, 19:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit i know what you said but she wouldnt have known prob the better option or say other options that may have been more suited

    285 can require more additional work though, not looked deeply into it yet.
    
    i friend has a 285 in his s2 though which runs nice
    
    125-130bhp irc.
18. medz_vtrturbo Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 anglesey Posts: 1055 saxo vtr turbo

    #18 8th August 2007, 23:20

    slam a turbo on it
19. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #19 9th August 2007, 08:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by medz_vtrturbo slam a turbo on it

    and back onto the topic which was asked.
    
    a mapping session can be on average between 250-500 depending on the mapper.
    
    catcam do some good 8v cams to apparently.
20. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #20 9th August 2007, 09:13

    Cat cams give a few more offerings than Piper which may be better for you.
    
    Would need your current engine spec in order to pick the best one for you
21. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #21 9th August 2007, 09:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing Cat cams give a few more offerings than Piper which may be better for you. Would need your current engine spec in order to pick the best one for you

    
    BMC
    
    4-1 Manifold
    
    Piper Full System
    
    What cam Kam?
22. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

    #22 9th August 2007, 10:20

    while on the subject of cams, would a set of newmans PH3's go well with tb's or is a bit wilder cam possible?
23. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #23 9th August 2007, 10:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 while on the subject of cams, would a set of newmans PH3's go well with tb's or is a bit wilder cam possible?

    not too familar with the Newman range. The advantage of TBs is that you can run a wilder cam profile and still retain an idle.
24. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

    #24 9th August 2007, 10:24

    oh right, PH3's are similar to 708's iirc.
25. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #25 9th August 2007, 10:30

    708s and similar spec are fine for TBs imo, unless you want to fork out for forged pistons, as if you go to wild you will need forgies/rebated std pistons.
26. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

    #26 9th August 2007, 10:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 708s and similar spec are fine for TBs imo, unless you want to fork out for forged pistons, as if you go to wild you will need forgies/rebated std pistons.

    oh right cheers.
27. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #27 9th August 2007, 10:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ste_1 BMC 4-1 Manifold Piper Full System What cam Kam?

    what are the future plans for the engine? staying NA? possible different induction route like bodies?
    
    where do you want the power? all things you need to think about when selecting cam
28. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #28 9th August 2007, 11:02

    I've decided I don't like 708s anymore. I want something that gives more power higher in the rev range. When I fitted the 708s, the location of the max bhp and max torque stayed exactly where it was with the stock cams...
29. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #29 9th August 2007, 11:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Toad I've decided I don't like 708s anymore. I want something that gives more power higher in the rev range. When I fitted the 708s, the location of the max bhp and max torque stayed exactly where it was with the stock cams...

    you sausage burgling hippy.
30. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #30 9th August 2007, 11:24

    LMAO. Although, I have no idea WTF that means.
31. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #31 9th August 2007, 11:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Toad LMAO. Although, I have no idea WTF that means.

    hahaha!!
    
    what you planning now then? i know your planning on bodies? so if so gonna get forged pistons so you can run some 807, 809 type cams
32. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #32 9th August 2007, 11:33

    I think the plan will be to just get it running with proper management and TBs for now. I'm worried that I'm not doing the engine any good at the moment, as it's running rich and probably blocking the internals up with shyte deposits!
    
    Also there's the horrible jumping / jerking when light throttle is applied, or when de-accelerating. It's so annoying when driving at around 70mph and as soon as you let off the throttle the car is well unhappy. Obviously the butterfly has to stay open for a moment when you let off the throttle, or some serious damage would occur, so I think this has hasn't been set up correctly, or is now not set correctly since Wayne mapped the car...
    
    Once the car is running nicely, I will defo be planning in putting some serious cams in there. I want the power at the high rev range area... If I want to go quick, I'm not going to be fcuking about at 5000 rpm FFS... Sadly, that's there all the power is at the moment, so it's pissing me off.
33. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #33 9th August 2007, 11:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Toad If I want to go quick, I'm not going to be fcuking about at 5000 rpm FFS... Sadly, that's there all the power is at the moment, so it's pissing me off.

    
    i still stand by my comment about sausages.
34. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #34 9th August 2007, 11:38

    Are you refering to up hill gardening?
35. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #35 9th August 2007, 12:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 what are the future plans for the engine? staying NA? possible different induction route like bodies? where do you want the power? all things you need to think about when selecting cam

    Well eventually going turbo...but that will bring on a different cam & head completely so forget that for now.
    
    And i want the power on the road.... as much of it as possible. Lol No the car will be used on track but also daily on the road. But that doesn't mean it has to be a comfy drive.
36. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #36 9th August 2007, 12:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ste_1 Well eventually going turbo...but that will bring on a different cam & head completely so forget that for now. And i want the power on the road.... as much of it as possible. Lol No the car will be used on track but also daily on the road. But that doesn't mean it has to be a comfy drive.

    how soon before you go turbo?
    
    as really can you justify spending alot on NA then scrapping it all for a boosted set up?
    
    id sort the managment out with a cam that will give good power but is not mega power, so you can add the turbo later on without having to rip it all out again.
    
    if NA something like a piper 285 is a very good cam for 8v engines. ive not seen much info on the catcams atm, will need to let kam come on with more information for you.