Remapped ECU ... insurance and cost etc !!

14th August 2007, 19:37

was thinkin of remappin the ECU.... what is the cost im lookin at ... and is it likely the insurance company would ever notice that it was done if u stacked it ?

14th August 2007, 19:52

no point unless u add cams etc.. and insurance probally wont notice as its an electrical thing. wouldnt be hard to find out if they really wanted to check it..

14th August 2007, 20:10

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Originally Posted by b0t13

no point unless u add cams etc.. and insurance probally wont notice as its an electrical thing. wouldnt be hard to find out if they really wanted to check it..

yer.. well my mate had his vts remapped... n it was quick as fuck.... accelerated quicker and topped out at about 145... an im a witness to that not just bull shit lol !!

14th August 2007, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Row_Row

yer.. well my mate had his vts remapped... n it was quick as fuck.... accelerated quicker and topped out at about 145... an im a witness to that not just bull shit lol !!

without being witness its bullshit - what speed measuring devices were used?

14th August 2007, 22:49

depends on the mods already done any ecu can be flashed just depends on who is doing it and what you want.... also the insurance cant know unless there is a piggy back chip onboard or a aftermarket ecu

14th August 2007, 22:52

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Originally Posted by adsayer

without being witness its bullshit - what speed measuring devices were used?

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Theres no way a vts would be touching 145mph.

i reckon hes probably put 10 inch wheels on and tricked the speedo

14th August 2007, 23:38

might as well use the engine section mate

14th August 2007, 23:49

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Originally Posted by JoeFurio

might as well use the engine section mate

hahaha

the rev limiter could have been raised but it aint gonna hit 145mph i put Yates' life on it.

15th August 2007, 00:29

if its a remapped stanard engine it wont be quick as fucked. it will probably have been chipped with only the rev limiter raised. the only thing he will of acheived is lightening his pockets.

15th August 2007, 01:10

Superchips offer a pre-mapped service for the VTS at about 300 notes that gets 6bhp apparently, although Angel Tuning quote £235 for a 12bhp increase, measured before and after the work. If you're not satisfied with their work, they'll give you a full refund and return the car back to normal. Also they do acceleration testing an have a database of increases on their site, as well as acceleration figures. Some improvements they have posted are quite impressive, although I don't know how accurate they are... They also do a pricier package where they add a BMC CDA for an extra 100 on top, and claim that the package gives a total of 16bhp and 17lb ft (BMC + remap), measured before and after. Word of warning- I'd take care of other mods such as exhaust and manifold first before you get the map to make the best of it. If you do that should be ok. Doesn't sound too bad IMO...
And if you drive safely you shouldn't stack it

15th August 2007, 01:32

superchips do jackshit to a standardish vts engine.

15th August 2007, 01:35

Yeah heard Superchips weren't all that, but have been in touch with Angel Tuning they reckon they can squeeze 12 ponies from a stock VTS lump and prove it on the rollers. If you don't feel the difference you get your dosh straight back, can't get fairer than that...

15th August 2007, 01:36

Superchips for Diesel engines kick arse though.

15th August 2007, 01:54

Really? Got one on yours? What gain?? Thought I did read somewhere that they got better gains on diesels than petrol...

15th August 2007, 01:56

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Originally Posted by jazz_360

Really? Got one on yours? What gain?? Thought I did read somewhere that they got better gains on diesels than petrol...

well i should say for Turbo'd Diesels...

I havent chipped mine (cant anyway as mine is a mechanical system)

typically 30% more power and 40% more torque just from a remap to a standard engine.

15th August 2007, 02:04

That much?? See now thats the sort of gain I'd kill for lol. No wonder people tell me a 'chipped' Golf TDi is mega quick, didn't realize the gains were that much on a TD! Torque must be mental then... Learn something new each day

15th August 2007, 02:12

its mental man... sadly no turbo derv in the saxo range

15th August 2007, 02:15

imo, you wont get 12hp from a standard vts engine. citroen will of spent dyas if not weeks mapping the ecu to get the best map they could. so i doubt some bloke in a garage somewhere can drastically improve your map within a few hours.

just my opinion though.

dont belive rolling roads either, they can lie

15th August 2007, 02:29

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

imo, you wont get 12hp from a standard vts engine. citroen will of spent dyas if not weeks mapping the ecu to get the best map they could. so i doubt some bloke in a garage somewhere can drastically improve your map within a few hours.

just my opinion though.

dont belive rolling roads either, they can lie

i second that opinion... only one thing to add...

the manufacturer usually adds a tolerance factor into the engine in order to account for poor maintenance and shitty fuels... not sure on the NA'd petrol aspect but this is certainly the case Turbo'd Dervs hence why ECU remapping can yield such good results as fuelling and boost can be adjusted to take up the slack of the safety margin tolerance...

the only merits i can see from mapping a standard n/a petrol engine would be if the user were to run the car solely on 99RON or even BP's 102RON.

15th August 2007, 02:33

so to conclude, unless you have modified your engine to the extent that the standard management cant cope to run the car well, then leave your ecu alone.

15th August 2007, 02:38

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

so to conclude, unless you have modified your engine to the extent that the standard management cant cope to run the car well, then leave your ecu alone.

lol exactamundo...

16hp... from a remap... how? lol

Wills, upping the limiter on a standard cam? any point or is there absolutely bot all torque past 7250rpm?

15th August 2007, 02:40

reminds me of my mate with his raised limiter on his VTR which makes it fast as fuck lmao and if im honest it doesn't seem quicker than mine (yet to test that theory)

15th August 2007, 02:42

baz yours is as quick as mine.

15th August 2007, 02:43

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Originally Posted by adsayer

baz yours is as quick as mine.

fuck off Ads, creamed you up the motorway on way to FCS

15th August 2007, 02:44

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Originally Posted by Baz

fuck off Ads, creamed you up the motorway on way to FCS

that because I didnt want to race off like a tw@

was hoping you, luke and aimes might want to enjoy the convoy with me and willsy.

15th August 2007, 02:48

no power above rev limit. if you look at a dyno graph it will be starting to drop off a few hundred rpm before the limit.

15th August 2007, 02:49

thought as much... wasnt sure if it was a considerable drop in torque or a tolerable one that might benefit acceleration in the early gears.

just in question mode at the mo!

wank and bedtime for me...

15th August 2007, 02:50

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Originally Posted by adsayer

that because I didnt want to race off like a tw@

was hoping you, luke and aimes might want to enjoy the convoy with me and willsy.

ok well we'll see at Trax yeh?

15th August 2007, 02:50

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Originally Posted by Baz

ok well we'll see at Trax yeh?

what who can break the motoring laws on the motorway the most?

or the track?

15th August 2007, 02:53

ps whats yours down? 50mm?

your handling will be shite.

15th August 2007, 02:55

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Originally Posted by adsayer

ps whats yours down? 50mm?

your handling will be shite.

on track mr sayer....bah don't need handling me

15th August 2007, 11:10

Heard some good stuff about angel tuning, especially in audi/vw forums. Also heard a few stories of fiats having it done.

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16hp... from a remap... how? lol

Also they dont reckon they can get 16hp out of a saxo. They reckon they can get 12hp out of a VTS and 10hp out of a MK1 VTR.

15th August 2007, 13:10

They only do remaps of cars later than 1999 according to their website. They do, however do a group discount as follows:

Group Discount 01/05/2007
Get a group of your friends and collegues together and benefit from the following discounts

2-3 cars @ 10%
4-5 cars @ 20%
6 + cars @ 25%

That's off £235, they do tests before and after using calibrated equipment.

Anyone up for it in the future?

15th August 2007, 18:04

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Originally Posted by makaveli144

Heard some good stuff about angel tuning, especially in audi/vw forums. Also heard a few stories of fiats having it done.

Also they dont reckon they can get 16hp out of a saxo. They reckon they can get 12hp out of a VTS and 10hp out of a MK1 VTR.

Actually, they do reckon they can, provide they do it with a bMC. I been e-mailing them lately to learn more about it, and they quoted me a figure increase of 'approximately' 16bhp with both a remap and BMC CDA, and measured to prove it and all on a standard engine. Lol, if anyone wants me to post the entire e-mail on here, I will! I'm not saying thats correct or incorrect, I'm just saying what Angel Tuning explicitely told me!

15th August 2007, 18:05

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Originally Posted by FILVTR

They only do remaps of cars later than 1999 according to their website. They do, however do a group discount as follows:

Group Discount 01/05/2007
Get a group of your friends and collegues together and benefit from the following discounts

2-3 cars @ 10%
4-5 cars @ 20%
6 + cars @ 25%

That's off £235, they do tests before and after using calibrated equipment.

Anyone up for it in the future?

-Most likely, so long as i can raise some dough before hand!

15th August 2007, 18:58

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"We can also provide a package with the excellent BMC Direct Air Intake System Induction kit (see www.angeltuning.co.uk/dia.htm ) . Whilst the DIA increases the power on its own, it also allows us to increase the power of the initial mapping due to the improved air flow rate. The total package price on this is £335 all inc for everything included in the mapping, plus supply and fit of the DIA. This combination package will give you an additional 16bhp and 17lb ft over standard." -pasted directly from my e-mail account, nothing edited at all. These are Angel Tuning's EXACT words with regards to a standard VTS...

15th August 2007, 22:03

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That's off £235, they do tests before and after using calibrated equipment.

Anyone up for it in the future?

Id probably give it a go tbh.

15th August 2007, 22:04

dont take raooling roads so serous. you can get hugely varying figures between different 'calibrated' rolling roads.

15th August 2007, 22:17

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Originally Posted by djrem

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Theres no way a vts would be touching 145mph.

i reckon hes probably put 10 inch wheels on and tricked the speedo

agreed! not from a remap anyway! LLoyd (lavo-vts) has a VTS, cammed and re-mapped with a VTR gearbox and other breathing mods, his car touches 145mph and pulls like a bastard through to about 9,000rpm! and its on 15's btw!

15th August 2007, 22:57

9k???? i very much doubt it. maybe 7.8k

15th August 2007, 23:35

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Originally Posted by adsayer

hahaha

the rev limiter could have been raised but it aint gonna hit 145mph i put Yates' life on it.

well we were in ma mates Mini Cooper-S ... doin just short of 140 n he came past us .. n it wasnt slow !!! so i would put it at bout 145... i would never trust a saxo speedo if i was in it.. at FCS i did the 0-60 sprint n i backed off at bout 68 on ma speedo... the data said i hit 60.2 i was lucky lol !!

15th August 2007, 23:35

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

dont take raooling roads so serous. you can get hugely varying figures between different 'calibrated' rolling roads.

True, they use calibrated equipment but as you said, figures can vary. They do say something along the lines of testing your vehicle so that you feel the difference along locl routes, and acceleration timing, if not they return it to standard, or how it was before their work. They seem confident in their remaps, and ignoring what numbers appear on paper, if they can make a car feel better in real world conditions, then I'd certainly be up for trying it out, any tuner interested in gains should. Whats to lose?

16th August 2007, 09:11

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then I'd certainly be up for trying it out, any tuner interested in gains should. Whats to lose?

I agree also I dont think that the claims may be that unfounded. Looking on the morego website they say they can get Plus 14HP, 15Nm on a 90bhp VTR and Plus 10HP, 12Nm on a 98bhp VTR. That seems really high but I have seen many cars tested that have been played with by morego and Im not talking about in max power or FUK either and they say the gains are noticeable so all there work cant be a load of bullshit, so surely there is no reason why angel tuning could do the same.

16th August 2007, 09:57

..Suppose there's only one way to find out really - by having a go, and at a discounted rate of £235, eg. £188 with a 20%, who can argue - especially with a refund if can't notice difference. Gonna get some cams before I go down methinks to maximise the potential.

16th August 2007, 10:03

Its called sale pitch and the killer part of the sales pitch - "up to". Thats their cover.

They may have had one saxo once upon a time that made the gains stated. Same as some come from the factory with more power than others. Luck of the draw

16th August 2007, 10:17

True, but for a remap, it's certainly a good price. Can't deny that...

16th August 2007, 10:30

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Originally Posted by FILVTR

..Suppose there's only one way to find out really - by having a go, and at a discounted rate of £235, eg. £188 with a 20%, who can argue - especially with a refund if can't notice difference. Gonna get some cams before I go down methinks to maximise the potential.

......well you might aswell buy 1 cam, not cams,
otherwise you'll be putting the extra one to waste.

16th August 2007, 10:37

My sat nav says my speedo is out 6mph whilst doing 80mph on the motorway.

Remap is pointless. Waste of money and does fuck all for a car without high lift cams.

Top speed is for plebs anyway.

16th August 2007, 12:12

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Originally Posted by Scott

Its called sale pitch and the killer part of the sales pitch - "up to". Thats their cover.

They may have had one saxo once upon a time that made the gains stated. Same as some come from the factory with more power than others. Luck of the draw

and in addition to that, you may very well get the quoted 14hp improvement (yeah right

) but it wont be at the top end.

For instance the VTS at peak torque develops roughly 106hp, there could be a chance that you get an 10hp there. but the 120hp figure might not improve.

worded it crap. nevermind.

16th August 2007, 12:14

i get what your saying, you may gain the power mid range rather than top line figure.

16th August 2007, 12:15

actually........ Im going to change my stance a little.

Each VTS behaves differently ever so slightly, due to minute component differences. IF, at the factory citroen employed a base map to all the engines then actually remap could work in smoothing torque flat spots and for optimising the engine with its minute variant components.

again these flats spots are where the 'up to xxhp' are measured from and not the peak hp.

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Originally Posted by Scott

i get what your saying, you may gain the power mid range rather than top line figure.

hahahah, or i could have just said that.

16th August 2007, 12:19

I agree. They dont make the car more powerful but make it run better and more effieciently.

16th August 2007, 12:32

i doubt its worth the 3million quid they ask for... also if you get a good runner you're going to see bugger returns.

in my opinion superchipping only really works when dealing with a factory charged engine.

16th August 2007, 12:56

re-mapping works on all types of engines. stock ecu are set up for best performance/fuel economy/ smoothness and reliability. no two engines off the same production line are the same so there is quite a big diffrence that can be made up from a propa live map on a completly standard car let alone with any breather mods.

18th August 2007, 15:20

Jus to say on a slight down hill i did have 140 on the clock of my vts.

18th August 2007, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Row_Row

yer.. well my mate had his vts remapped... n it was quick as fuck.... accelerated quicker and topped out at about 145... an im a witness to that not just bull shit lol !!

even if your mate cammed, remapped, full breather mods and head work theres not a cat in hells chance the car will top out at 145 its very hard to increase the top speed of a car without spending big bucks on turbo etc and you would always be restricted to how fast a car will go because of the size of the engine

18th August 2007, 19:14

and if i was feeling particularly gay I would work out how extra hp's would be needed to reach that figure...but i wont.

18th August 2007, 19:22

Simos is a excellent example look at his top speed on his beast and you will see for all the horse's he has it claims to only have a top speed of around 140mph

18th August 2007, 20:41

gear boxes limit speed. Wouldnt matter if it had 900000000000 horsepower. On vts gear box with standard limiter it will only ever do 140mph. Simos would easily go past 140 with a vtr gear box

19th August 2007, 01:14

isnt the 1.4 gearbox longer than a vtr or very similar?

19th August 2007, 01:28

all i can say is wish i knew as much as adsayer, one clever kid.

19th August 2007, 03:01

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Originally Posted by frankie640

all i can say is wish i knew as much as adsayer, one clever kid.

he's not, trust me. just knows a lot of utter bollocks.

19th August 2007, 11:29

I love Ads...

Hes my Sax-p Celebrity and I swear to God I word scream like a 14 year old girl meeting Westlife if I ever saw him...