Roll Cage is it difficult

1. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

   #1 21st August 2007, 19:47

   i want to remove my back seats was thinking of fitting a roll cage or if anyone else has a better idea that will look good and won't cost thousands i would be glad to hear from you.
   
   how easy are they to fit?
   
   how good do they look in a saxo?
   
   how much am i looking at paying for one?
   
   where can i get em?
   
   i have a 2001 saxo vtr.
2. saxoboy2005 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2006 Dalget Bay, Fife United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 648 MAZDA 6: Slammed, 18's, Tints, Smoothed

   #2 21st August 2007, 19:50

   A Show cage will cost you roughly £100 and are a piece of piss to fit, will take you 10 minutes. They look pretty cool but do fuck all for saftey.
3. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #3 21st August 2007, 20:11

   i think it looks pretty cool
   
   
4. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

   #4 21st August 2007, 20:15

   where did you get your cage from bullit, and how much was it?
5. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #5 21st August 2007, 20:17

   show cages look shite, everyone knows theyre shite and you look like a tool having one.
   
   a proper omp/sd/sparco cage is between 300-500 for an average one.
   
   the one in bullits pic is no longer made, the bolt in type now needs box sections welded in to bolt to and goes through the dash.
6. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

   #6 21st August 2007, 20:21

   sorry, what needs to be welded on?
   
   so there isn't a straight bolt in one?
7. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #7 21st August 2007, 20:26

   new OMP cages, need box sections welding to the shell, the cage then bolts to these.
   
   A/B sections, the C section mounts/welds to where the rear beam mounts.
   
   the one that is shown in pic just bolts to floor through reinforcing plates and then the rear arches, OMP no longer produce this type of cage.
8. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #8 21st August 2007, 20:29

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jeeves_101 sorry, what needs to be welded on? so there isn't a straight bolt in one?

   jeeves, whiteslag vts had the later one, have a look at his pics
9. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

   #9 21st August 2007, 20:30

   oh right, i thought the ones on ebay that say bolt in, just bolted in.
   
   so regards to the welding, do you weld bits to the car or the cage?
   
   sorry if i sound retarded.
10. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #10 21st August 2007, 20:30

    worth commenting BOLT in does also need welding on old cage.
    
    the reinforcment plates need welding to the shell.
    
    but its better than box sections
11. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #11 21st August 2007, 20:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 oh right, i thought the ones on ebay that say bolt in, just bolted in. so regards to the welding, do you weld bits to the car or the cage? sorry if i sound retarded.

    as said, you weld box sections to the shell, the cage bolts to this.
12. user_7076 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 Milton Keynes Posts: 8504 Audi A1 S-Line, Mazda MX5 Kuro, Renault Clio 1.2,

    #12 21st August 2007, 20:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 sorry, what needs to be welded on? so there isn't a straight bolt in one?

    It needs to be welded to give it support. Saxos are made out of paper so in a crash it would just tear the floor off the car to be honest.
    
    You could probably get somewhere to fit it for you for £150-£200.
    
    Looking at around 700-800 in total including the cage. You have to account for spraying/powder coating as well if you're not going for a safety devices cage.
    
    
    scott
13. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #13 21st August 2007, 20:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snewham It needs to be welded to give it support. Saxos are made out of paper so in a crash it would just tear the floor off the car to be honest. You could probably get somewhere to fit it for you for £150-£200. Looking at around 700-800 in total including the cage. You have to account for spraying/powder coating as well if you're not going for a safety devices cage. scott

    hammerite and a brush cost me approx £15-20
14. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

    #14 21st August 2007, 20:38

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OMP-Bolt-in-St...QQcmdZViewItem
    
    so this cahe for example, would need reinforcing plates welded to the car and that would be it?
    
    i can get a cage powder coated for £40 and i'd fit it myself.
    
    i believe thats the one whiteslag vts has too.
15. user_7076 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 Milton Keynes Posts: 8504 Audi A1 S-Line, Mazda MX5 Kuro, Renault Clio 1.2,

    #15 21st August 2007, 20:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 hammerite and a brush cost me approx £15-20

    yeh I suppose, I'm as much a style whore as a track slag though so if I get a rollcage I'll probably get it flocked
    
    am really considering ordering one when I get paid. Do you know anyone that could weld it all in for me?
    
    scott
16. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #16 21st August 2007, 20:41

    as said ALLLLLLLLLLL CAGES NEED WELDING of some sort, even my bolt in one (old type) needs the welding of plates, just now like the one shown needs box sections welding in, and the dash cutting.
    
    snewham i dont know anyone who could weld other than a company like carworx/pug P
17. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #17 21st August 2007, 20:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OMP-Bolt-in-St...QQcmdZViewItem so this cahe for example, would need reinforcing plates welded to the car and that would be it? i can get a cage powder coated for £40 and i'd fit it myself. i believe thats the one whiteslag vts has too.

    looks like it. bear in mind your gonna be chopping the dash back and stripping all the interior out
18. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

    #18 21st August 2007, 20:44

    yeah i know, stripped ftw.
    
    can cut the dash exact to match where the cage penertrates.
19. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #19 21st August 2007, 20:52

    ill post pics of my stripped car when its running
20. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #20 21st August 2007, 20:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 yeah i know, stripped ftw. can cut the dash exact to match where the cage penertrates.

    jeeves theres another lad on here who has the same one and has cut his dash perfect, better than whiteslags. not sure if you seen it? had loads of carbon in, was for sale aswell recently. try get some measurements or something off him
21. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #21 21st August 2007, 20:58

    someone with carbon and cuts was lewis. had a black vtr.
    
    SD cage
22. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #22 21st August 2007, 21:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 someone with carbon and cuts was lewis. had a black vtr. SD cage

    i think your right
23. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

    #23 21st August 2007, 21:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit jeeves theres another lad on here who has the same one and has cut his dash perfect, better than whiteslags. not sure if you seen it? had loads of carbon in, was for sale aswell recently. try get some measurements or something off him

    oh right cool, do you know his username?
    
    but if not dont worry, my dad is the handiest guy on earth and can get anything done for me.
24. Lewisimo Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 741

    #24 21st August 2007, 23:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 oh right cool, do you know his username? but if not dont worry, my dad is the handiest guy on earth and can get anything done for me.

    Lol, it's me! Here are some pics for you mate. I had to cut the dash as you can see but it looks neat still
    
    
    
    
    
    Hope this helps mates
25. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #25 22nd August 2007, 17:14

    that looks so good. im the type just to throw everything in lol
26. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #26 22nd August 2007, 17:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit that looks so good. im the type just to throw everything in lol

    im the type to rip everything out
27. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #27 22nd August 2007, 20:29

    Mine still needs welding in but you get the idea:
    
    
    
28. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #28 22nd August 2007, 20:50

    we have the same size knobs.
    
    
    copy
29. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

    #29 22nd August 2007, 21:15

    i have a passenger airbag, so cut that side of the dash might be a problem!!
    
    edit: get rid of airbag, lighter car then.
30. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #30 22nd August 2007, 21:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit we have the same size knobs.

    Except mine gets used
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeeves_101 i have a passenger airbag, so cut that side of the dash might be a problem!! edit: get rid of airbag, lighter car then.

    You're learning! You'll not need it if there are no passengers when you crash lol
31. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

    #31 22nd August 2007, 21:31

    even if there was a passenger, with buckets and a harness they wont go that far forward!!
32. Jimmy-Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2006 Suffolk Posts: 7551 N/A 200bhp+ per ton 106 gti

    #32 23rd August 2007, 12:15

    bulits track/pod car is hubba hubba! get a cage like that if you want one (real deal) show cages don't do anything for the car!
33. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #33 23rd August 2007, 21:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scooby-jim bulits track/pod car is hubba hubba! get a cage like that if you want one (real deal) show cages don't do anything for the car!

    the only people impressed by show cages are 10 year olds/slags and stevie wonder.
    
    although i suspect even he could tell that they are a heap of shite from rubbing the upright, although he may confuse it slightly with ali g
34. vtr130 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279

    #34 24th August 2007, 15:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo180 Mine still needs welding in but you get the idea:

    Wot cage is that?
35. vtr130 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279

    #35 24th August 2007, 15:32

    Also where is the best place to buy a roll cage from, lins apreciated
36. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #36 24th August 2007, 15:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vtr130 Wot cage is that?

    No idea mate. I think it's a modified OMP one or an early SD cup cage, again modified
37. Colin Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6

    #37 24th August 2007, 15:40

    I wouldnt get anything else than an SD cage.
    
    My friend is getting a batch of PROPER cages (106 cup) soon but SD have put there prices up to £710.
38. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #38 24th August 2007, 17:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo180 No idea mate. I think it's a modified OMP one or an early SD cup cage, again modified

    too much weight
39. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #39 24th August 2007, 17:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vtr130 Also where is the best place to buy a roll cage from, lins apreciated

    rallynuts have loads of motorsport stuff
40. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #40 24th August 2007, 19:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Colin I wouldnt get anything else than an SD cage. My friend is getting a batch of PROPER cages (106 cup) soon but SD have put there prices up to £710.

    o another one then..
    
    OMP cages are FIA approved.... nothing wrong with them.
    
    SD just come pre finshed and look better, they both pass the same regs.
    
    SD are not the only PROPER cages as you put them
41. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #41 24th August 2007, 19:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo180 No idea mate. I think it's a modified OMP one or an early SD cup cage, again modified

    its totally different to any SD cage.
    
    as said when you first fitted it all the feet/doorbar mounts are the same as every OMP cage ive seen.
    
    i suspect its one of the more expensive OMP cages that people dont know about much because most saxo owners dont feel the need for additional cross bars and reinforcing.