306 HDi Brakes - Not fitting?! HELP***

  1. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #1
    I bought a set of these off eBay,
    advertised as the same as GTi6 brakes etc,
    283mm discs were provided,
    tried these, didnt fit,

    tried a brand new set of GTi6 discs, also didnt fit.

    Heres a pic...

    Can anyone explain?

  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #2
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWN:IT&ih=010

    heres the eBay link where he says theyre the same as the GTi6 calliper
  3. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #3
    I cant really see where they dont fit? The disc too big for the caliper? Too wide?
  4. Saxperience Addict Joined: Oct 2006 Inside Your Girlfriend Posts: 12190 Fabia vRS
    #4
    Only thing you can do is contact them and say they dont fit sometimes wrong calipers get sent out.
  5. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #5
    Looks like the discs are too big!

    The hubs on the HDI might have held the caliper further away than the saxo does.

    Looks like it will need adapter plates or a smaller disc (266mm?)
  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #6
    Obviously they use a different size disc. The chap who sold them to you lied I'm afraid...
  7. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #7
    /agreed.

    Weird he sent 283mm discs with the callipers?!

    thing is he looks like a Pug breaker...
  8. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #8
    Do both sides of the caliper touch the disc or just the one?
  9. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #9
    Some more pics would be usefull mate.
  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Near Glasgow Posts: 3362 None...
    #10
    Post a pic of your caliper please will you? If its the same as mine then im not fitting mine lol
  11. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #11
    ....is dark now, will get pics tomorrow after work.
    It touches the underside of the calliper also,
    looks really, really close disc on calliper action too..


    Perhaps the guys misled, and they need 266mm discs?

    either that or the hubs a different offset on a 306 HDi?


    Eitherway im fucked off as I spent 130 on the callipers and 75 on some new discs...
  12. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #12
    Is that just the carrier fitted or is the caliper there too? Does it have pads in the caliper?

    Does look quite tight, might be a 266mm solid disc?
  13. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #13
    May well be, but he advertised it as 283mm.

    fucks sake.
  14. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Devizes, Wiltshire Posts: 750 Black VT. Slag. Black S1 Rallye. Clio 172 Cup.
    #14
    The 306 HDI brakes are the same as my 206 GTI180 brakes.

    They are the same as the GTI-6 but obviosuly newer, also the discs are slighter wider.

    I cant see why they will not fit though, need more pics...
  15. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #15
    what do you want pics of?

    You can see there, he provided some discs, i bought some discs,

    have the same problem with both pairs,

    carrier actually touches the disc and the disc actually touches the inside of the calliper.
  16. Saxperience Addict Joined: Oct 2006 Inside Your Girlfriend Posts: 12190 Fabia vRS
    #16
    Only think i can suggest is see if there is a part number on the caliper and take it to pug and see what they say the caliper is for and then will say what discs are needed to.
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #17
    Think Im a try to get this guy too take his "allegedly" identical GTi6 brakes back,
    if not, Ill sell 'em and buy some diff GTi6 brakes,
    because I cant send the discs back...
  18. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 ashford Posts: 165 golf gti 1.8t 20v
    #18
    unlucky mate cant brag about them any more can ya!!
    thats ebay for ya
  19. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Jul 2004 Solihull Posts: 18231 Two Tone Sax
    #19
    wasnt there two types

    bosch and some others

    speak to s34mer craig
  20. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone
    #20
    Disks look the right offset to mine that are on vtr struts.

    But mine are the bosch calipers
  21. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Near Glasgow Posts: 3362 None...
    #21
    How can you tell by that picture what the offset of the disks is?
  22. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone
    #22
    I used the ebay link pic.
  23. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Near Glasgow Posts: 3362 None...
    #23
    Ahh, i never looked at ebay link lol
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #24
    Just to get this right Soulless... When you try to fit the caliper over the disc, are you finding that the disc makes contact with the outside edges of the caliper? For example, like trying to slot a 2p coin into half a hula hoop? If that's happening, then the disc is definately too big.

    EDIT: Looking again at your pic, I should really be refering to the carrier as opposed to the caliper, is that right?
  25. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #25
    toad, the carrier goes over it, but stupidly tight, so tight it rubs.

    Callipers are Lucas.
  26. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Jul 2004 Solihull Posts: 18231 Two Tone Sax
    #26
    iirc you need bosch ones
  27. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Jul 2004 Solihull Posts: 18231 Two Tone Sax
    #27
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...=100044&page=2
  28. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #28
    ty jaybiss,
    Hopefully this guy should re-imburse me as he's adertised these as 283mm when they clearly arent...
  29. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #29
    Where are they rubbing? Is it possible that the discs are just too wide, as opposed to being too large in diameter? ...Hence why I asked the earlier question.
  30. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #30
    brb, drawing diagram in PAINT!!!
  31. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #31


    k, this is the calliper if it was laying on its back.

    Red is where it touches,
    the belly of the calliper and both sides,
    discs look too big,
    if they are HDi callipers, I read that they are norm 266mm not 283mm as advertised.
    (is strange he gave me 283mm used discs with the callipers)

    If this guy doesnt refund me (which I think he should tbh) do I buy 266mm discs? and sell my 283's?

    or do I sell the callipers etc and buy some GTi6 callipers and keep my discs?
  32. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #32
    That's probably the worstesteverest diagram I have ever seen! LMAO.

    OK, if you are sure the discs are too big, then that's that. It's a shame you are in a predicament now, as you have purchased some discs. Is there a possibility you can take the discs back? First of all, you can get your money back from that seller, because he has actually advertised them as GTI6 brakes, so no worries there. It's up to you, but I would kick the seller in the nuts, and demand a refund, or as he's a braker ot what have you, I would ask him to get you a set of 306 GTI calipers, and he can cover the postage costs for your inconvenience.
  33. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #33
    Lets hope he gets back to me then Toad,
    Might link him to this thread if he asks more questions, so he can see.

    Just worries me that the HDi's came with 266mm callipers by the looks of things..
  34. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #34
    I wouldn't bother linking this to him. He has to refund you, end of story. I think I posted something in another thread about these calipers. I was suprised to hear that a 306 HDI would use the same spec as a 306 GTI, do you remember? Then someone said that they were from a 307, which made more sense.
  35. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #35
    Yeah ~ think you were right all along,
    I just thought as he was a pug breaker, selling the goods, he'd know what he's selling...
  36. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Near Glasgow Posts: 3362 None...
    #36
    Yeah toad was me that said they were 307 HDi as thats what Ive got when I ordered from a pug breaker. He sounded like he knew what he was talking about too. Just hope they fit ok, ive grinded them but not got round to fitting them yet.
  37. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #37
    The 307 is a much bigger car, so I could understand if they are a similar spec to the 306 GTI.

    It's a real shame Soulless, but I agree completely, you trust people like this, I would have made the same mistake as yourself.
  38. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GrantW View Post
    Yeah toad was me that said they were 307 HDi as thats what Ive got when I ordered from a pug breaker. He sounded like he knew what he was talking about too. Just hope they fit ok, ive grinded them but not got round to fitting them yet.
    Do you have the discs? Just try placing them into the carrier / caliper and see if it fits... Hopefully they should be fine.
  39. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Benfleet, Essex Posts: 10834 Megane 225 Cup
    #39
    Not much help, hopefully it can get sorted though, bit of a bummer.
  40. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 ashford Posts: 196
    #40
    ive got some 266mm discs off a xsi that you can try if you come round, txt me or something
  41. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #41
    Nice drawing karl, dont quit your day job

    Someone mentioned before that the 306HDi brakes are similar to the 206 gti brakes, possibly referring to the 266mm setup.

    Hope you can get your money back from the guy, i reckon thats the best route to go, then get some proper gti6 calipers or 406 coupe calipers (or one of the other larger model cars which have the gti6 style caliper). Brembos would be my choice though, but i dont think they will work with your discs anyway
  42. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone
    #42
    406 ones don't fit as far as I know

    If you look in the thread on here that was linked, I posted the pics of my 406 283mm setup up and it never fitted due to the carrier design
  43. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2006 Ashford kent Posts: 3161 PoP! bAnG! pOp! BaNg!
    #43
    unlucky karl mate. has he got back to you yet.

    constantly overheating and disk warping standard brakes ftw
  44. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #44
    "trust me 306 2.0 hdi use 283 discs the same as gti 6.
    the pistons are slightly bigger in the caliper.
    the only thing i think u may have to do is grind away a little from your hub as i think the carrier rubs the strut body on saxos.
    there is no problem regarding the brakes."



    ~ this is after I showed him the pic of them not fitting.
  45. Saxperience Addict Joined: Oct 2006 Inside Your Girlfriend Posts: 12190 Fabia vRS
    #45
    Phone peugeot and ask best way.
  46. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone
    #46
    I wouldn't grind away at my hub like....
  47. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #47
    I grinded the carrier not the hub lol.
  48. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500
    #48
    Hmmmmmmmm, sounds like a ongoing nightmare mate.

    I know this might sound darft, but . . .

    Would a 206GTi (non 180) setup have been a better tried and tested solution?

    Im gona have mine fitted next week for my MoT, hoping they go straight on as I have grinded where I have been told but guess just have to wait and see what happens.

    Hope you get the anchors sorted mate
  49. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #49
    Well he convinced me they were 283mm,
    as im after GTi6 brakes. he told me theyre identical.

    Theyre obv not,

    eBay dispute ftw.
    I want my money back so I can buy some ACTUAL GTi6 283mm callipers to go behind my shiny wheels...
  50. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #50
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=016

    Mine are identical to these... but yet these come from a 306 gti6...
  51. Saxperience Addict Joined: Oct 2006 Inside Your Girlfriend Posts: 12190 Fabia vRS
    #51
    They are nice them
  52. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #52
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JasonVTS View Post
    They are nice them
    theyre identical to the ones i have.
  53. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone
    #53
    can you get any pictures of when you tried to fit your set up? and where it's actually contacting, inside side of car or outside side so to say?
  54. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone
    #54

    Wrong setup

    right setup

    See how the carrier on the ones that fit is a continious curve, all be it a very minor one. While the first picture it's two straights for want of a better description.

    Which one is closest to yours?
  55. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #55
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Soulless View Post
    "trust me 306 2.0 hdi use 283 discs the same as gti 6.
    the pistons are slightly bigger in the caliper.
    the only thing i think u may have to do is grind away a little from your hub as i think the carrier rubs the strut body on saxos.
    there is no problem regarding the brakes."



    ~ this is after I showed him the pic of them not fitting.
    Jeeez, what an arsewipe. He hasn't got a clue.

    Indeed, just like you said, you have to grind the carrier down a bit, or it comes into contact with the strut.

    Ring Pug! Then you have all the proof required to string him up.
  56. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #56
    I'd still like to see more pics though Soulless.
  57. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #57
    just had a quick read of teh 1st page.

    when he said they are just the same as gti6 brakes he will of meant the both use 283mm discs, that doesnt mena they use the same disc though. which they dont. they use discs of different offsets.