35mm drop enough?

14th March 2008, 16:57

will 35mm drop look ok?

14th March 2008, 17:00

no the only drop worth doing is 50mm front 55mm back

sorry but its the truth

14th March 2008, 17:04

depends if you just want a sportier ''feel'' or the slammed look

14th March 2008, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by bakkipouch

no the only drop worth doing is 50mm front 55mm back

sorry but its the truth

agreed but 60 at teh back

14th March 2008, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by bakkipouch

no the only drop worth doing is 50mm front 55mm back

sorry but its the truth

dont talk bollox.

15th March 2008, 10:47

35mm is plenty and will look good and handle better. get it done.

15th March 2008, 12:18

why do people lower the rear more than the front? bet that handles total wank? i have raced a few saxos that are slammed can see the camber of the wheels is shagged, looks like the tyres hardly touching the ground = less grip! always leave them threw corners every time.

40mm is best of both worlds imo

15th March 2008, 12:24

60mm back 50mm front

15th March 2008, 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynch145

60mm back 50mm front

not another one

being that low does it not get fucking annoying? i used to scrape at 40mm at times on speed bumps..... not fuck your driveshafts etc?

Saxos are meant to be slightly higher at the rear as standard thats why you should lower them the same mm when you rop them, when you go 40mm cant even tell the rear is slightly higher sits nice and level.

What happens when you put your fat slag in the back? wheels come up through the boot?

15th March 2008, 13:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

not another one

being that low does it not get fucking annoying? i used to scrape at 40mm at times on speed bumps..... not fuck your driveshafts etc?

Saxos are meant to be slightly higher at the rear as standard thats why you should lower them the same mm when you rop them, when you go 40mm cant even tell the rear is slightly higher sits nice and level.

What happens when you put your fat slag in the back? wheels come up through the boot?

I agree mate, but seems too many people on here think better.

15th March 2008, 13:21

argh the amount of fuckwits giving adivse makes me LOL!

35mm is a perfectly fine drop, you are not to low so wont have many problems daily driving, to low IMO looks utter gash and chavvy as fuck *like the suspension has collapsed* and will also cause you more problems with bumps etc..

15th March 2008, 13:42

sure if you check the stickies there is a guide to suspension in there!

15th March 2008, 13:43

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62008

some nice reading.

15th March 2008, 13:44

I've gone 50mm and the same on the back, why would anyone want to make more of the backwheels hidden than visable is beyond me, yes I have gone for the bigger drop but I like the sportier look and the fact your sitting on the ground, plus I don't have to go anywhere with bumps. If you live in an estate with bumps i'd go 40 tops...

15th March 2008, 13:46

the super 1600 saxo's was 50mm and lower...and look how they handled....

imo a 50mm drop with the right suspension kit will be fine for a fast road/track car....

Mario_1360cc (formerly known as James_Bristol for those that dont know) is dropped 60mm all round on his Westcoast...and yet has out handles VTR's and some VTS's on track....

15th March 2008, 13:47

im down 50mm front and back too and im really pleased with it, speed bumps down my road dont cause any problems

15th March 2008, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raz

the super 1600 saxo's was 50mm and lower...and look how they handled....

imo a 50mm drop with the right suspension kit will be fine for a fast road/track car....

Mario_1360cc (formerly known as James_Bristol for those that dont know) is dropped 60mm all round on his Westcoast...and yet has out handles VTR's and some VTS's on track....

fucking hell raz you do know much the super 1600's spent on their suspension set up?????

have you seen how that 1360 car has been driven? i have seen the french car thread with videos of that car nearly sliding out on the rear..... totally depends on the driver.

15th March 2008, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

fucking hell raz you do know much the super 1600's spent on their suspension set up?????

no lol but that was just an example....Mario has got a 1.4 westcoast and is down 60mm all round...he told me that he aint had no problems....

15th March 2008, 13:54

Good call Raz..

My car was originally lowered -40mm all round on my Billies and handled lovely but i prefer the lower look tbh..

So i had it lowered to -60mm all round, handling is no different i swear..Its not better but certainly isnt any worse..

Steve - What thread was that? Would be interested in seeing the vid..

15th March 2008, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

Good call Raz..

My car was originally lowered -40mm all round on my Billies and handled lovely but i prefer the lower look tbh..

So i had it lowered to -60mm all round, handling is no different i swear..Its not better but certainly isnt any worse..

Steve - What thread was that? Would be interested in seeing the vid..

i cant find it am lookin sure its on youtube, whats your youtube name? you were pushing it to the limit lmao but sure its a vtr videoing you

15th March 2008, 13:59

I know the video..If its the one i posted up..lol

In my vid i put on youtube its my bro's old Clio 182..

Also that was when it was only -40mm..

What track was it on?

15th March 2008, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

I know the video..If its the one i posted up..lol

In my vid i put on youtube its my bro's old Clio 182..

Also that was when it was only -40mm..

What track was it on?

might be donnington according to richie

what shocks you running now?

15th March 2008, 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

might be donnington according to richie

what shocks you running now?

Thats when it was -40mm and with my bro following in the 182..He nailed me on the straights obviously but in the bends was a diff story..Pretty similar actually..

Its on the same shocks, Bilstein B8 Sprintlines (Group N's) on the front and Bilstein B8 Sprintlines on the back..

15th March 2008, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

Thats when it was -40mm and with my bro following in the 182..He nailed me on the straights obviously but in the bends was a diff story..Pretty similar actually..

Its on the same shocks, Bilstein B8 Sprintlines (Group N's) on the front and Bilstein B8 Sprintlines on the back..

i cant find it

its a good watch though

15th March 2008, 14:04

I do struggle at the limit with oversteer as the back is soo light..lol

15th March 2008, 14:04

LOL at someone using the saxo competition cars as an example, especially when you dont realise that the spring rates are matched for the torsion bars/height/etc...

so are designed, also it depends on where it is, there is no SET height for them they vary alot.

as for james his car is low, i also feel the rear end is overdamped due to groupN rears being used on std bars. Which is why the arse end is all over the place in different photos.

Lowering to much also does effect handling on bumpy surfaces, you can get what is known as bump steer due to the track rods running at such high angles and having no travel in them.

Also being in a slammed car i felt it was highly dangerous on the motorway, every tiny bump and the rear end was all over the place, not good imo

15th March 2008, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

I do struggle at the limit with oversteer as the back is soo light..lol

not just lightness james, its to do with std bars and your rear shocks

15th March 2008, 14:05

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z08012Gs0Zs

That one?

15th March 2008, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

not just lightness james, its to do with std bars and your rear shocks

True..lol

Will get some thicker bar's at some point..

15th March 2008, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

True..lol

Will get some thicker bar's at some point..

you need to find out the lb of your shocks and try and match them.

15th March 2008, 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z08012Gs0Zs

That one?

handles well lmao

15th March 2008, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

handles well lmao

Is that being sarcastic? If so i would like to point out that not once in that video was the car at less than 70-80mph..

15th March 2008, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

you need to find out the lb of your shocks and try and match them.

Ya, will be able to find out somewhere on the net..

15th March 2008, 14:12

if this turns into a my cocks bigger thread im deleting it so be warned.

15th March 2008, 14:13

Its not Ryan..

Just asking why he's being sarcy..I'd like to see what his car would do at those speeds round those bends, probs fall over as i expect its only on lowering springs..

15th March 2008, 14:15

You dont have to OWN the worlds best handling car to be able to see a car that isnt driving well, Personally A car which is constantly oversteering when its FWD doesnt really seem like a well set up car.

15th March 2008, 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

Is that being sarcastic? If so i would like to point out that not once in that video was the car at less than 70-80mph..

it wasn't mate

was laughing at the comments from the camera man

dont take offence lol

just for refference am on Koni's with the adjustable shocks < which are pointless as you have to take them off the car

not got them set up right yet though as think i need a new steering rack and too lazy to sort that out atm.

Alexr was saying to put the rear ones on fully hard? thats with standard torsion bars.

15th March 2008, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

You dont have to OWN the worlds best handling car to be able to see a car that isnt driving well, Personally A car which is constantly oversteering when its FWD doesnt really seem like a well set up car.

Its meant to understeerr is it?? Lmao..

Its also my driving style Ryan, lifting off when turning in, that way i know the car wont understeer so i can then get back on the power all through the corner..

Hurry up and get your's built so we can all see what that handles like..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pNNOLRgTblw

Guess the Clio in that vid isnt setup very well..

Also here's some pics for those of you who think tractors handle better than low car's..

Note that most of those car's sit lower at the back..I have plenty more pics where these came from..

Granted they may have diff torsion bar's but these car's are setup like the Saxmax car's so not really that wild in terms of sus setup..

15th March 2008, 14:23

Ryan im not a 'fuckwhit', the thread title is '35mm drop enough?', my opinion is no, 50 front 60 is better

'IMO'.

This 'fuckwhit' here didnt give advice on how to get the optimum handling, and nor was the question, so why does every single 'how low to go' turn into, 'how do i get the optimum handling' ? its pathetic.

And his first post said 'will this LOOK ok', please read the fucking thread ! Before we go all technical with camber bollocks and all that jazz.. Mods get it wrong sometimes.

Awaits bad rep

15th March 2008, 14:24

my old saxo used to oversteer as soon as slightly lifted off the gas haha
the above saxos i agree rears are lower but wonder what set up they are running

15th March 2008, 14:27

Coilovers i expect or similar sus to mine on the front...

Rear is uprated dampers and maybe diff bar's..Not entirley sure..will go looking around on the net and try and find out..

15th March 2008, 14:30

no james its not meant to understeer, its meant to be balanced

when a car can be thrown into a corner, have the correct grip to not have understeer, and not be hanging the arse out its the fastest way and set up correctly imo

15th March 2008, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

no james its not meant to understeer, its meant to be balanced

lol

I see..

But in my defence its mainly due to my driving style and the fact that there is no weight in the back..

In that vid i was doing alot of it on purpose tbh for the camera..lol

Raz has seen my onboard vid from Trax and he will tell you that the back didnt come out at all..

15th March 2008, 14:34

thread hi-jack imo.

15th March 2008, 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

lol

I see..

But in my defence its mainly due to my driving style and the fact that there is no weight in the back..

In that vid i was doing alot of it on purpose tbh for the camera..lol

Raz has seen my onboard vid from Trax and he will tell you that the back didnt come out at all..

you have agreed though james that the rear of your car is skittish, something which would mainly be due to the dampers, skittish wouldnt be from the driving style. You know i rate the billies, just am wary of them on std bars. Im still trying to figure out what set up i want to go for.

15th March 2008, 14:37

To keep Hopcraft happy

i think 35mm isn't enough and atleast 50mm looks best..

If you dont upgrade your dampers though at 50mm drop you may have trouble on bumpy roads, the car can easily get out of shape..

15th March 2008, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

you have agreed though james that the rear of your car is skittish, something which would mainly be due to the dampers, skittish wouldnt be from the driving style. You know i rate the billies, just am wary of them on std bars. Im still trying to figure out what set up i want to go for.

Yeah it is is skittish, but not too bad..Not as bad as you may think..

15th March 2008, 14:40

should lower about 80mm looks sweet. Mine is around that and it dosent handle bad at all. Infact its quite good.

15th March 2008, 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groomster-VTS

should lower about 80mm looks sweet. Mine is around that and it dosent handle bad at all. Infact its quite good.

Ryan's gona have a heart attack when he reads that!!

lol

15th March 2008, 14:43

Ino a hell of alot of cars dropped that low and all off them have no problem

15th March 2008, 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

Ryan's gona have a heart attack when he reads that!!

lol

lol was gonna say the same thing !!! haha

15th March 2008, 14:45

you pair of fairies lol. the opinions that people give just need to say in my opinion, maybe give a reason etc. if someone just types "lower it 60 allround" blah blah. that comment means fuck all to me.

15th March 2008, 14:45

i just find it funny that people allways state the car handles superbly.

they then go in a car with decent set up suspension and realise

15th March 2008, 15:06

well if you pair of fairies actually read our comments on the first page, you will realise we didnt say one comment to do with handling superbly, just mearly said how much would 'look' good, as the question stated !

im not a fan of rolling in a saxo 4x4

IMO bullit, lol.

15th March 2008, 15:15

I stated my reasons as to why a 35mm drop is perfectly suitable to daily use

15th March 2008, 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

I stated my reasons as to why a 35mm drop is perfectly suitable to daily use

to be honest mate i use my car everyday. its perfectly fine goes over every speed bump without catching at all. just my opinion.

15th March 2008, 15:21

The car should not oversteer, that shows that the suspension is incorrectly setup, unless you were making it oversteer?

you should be able to FORCE a car to oversteer and understeer, but not for it to do it of its own accord.

If you were lifting off to make it oversteer, then thats all well and good

15th March 2008, 23:47

I was dude..lol

Like any front wheel drive car, if you lift off when you turn in, if your going quick enough, it will oversteer..

My car doesnt just kick out on its own..

16th March 2008, 11:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

I was dude..lol

Like any front wheel drive car, if you lift off when you turn in, if your going quick enough, it will oversteer..

My car doesnt just kick out on its own..

you think

35mm drop will be ok....but for looks id say 50mm...best of both worlds as they say...handling and looks....

16th March 2008, 11:23

ours it droped 35 i think it looks well good check my progress thread to see the back needs dropped another inch tho to even everything up

17th March 2008, 12:10

i got bad rep hahaha didnt leave ur name tho ? wimp

17th March 2008, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by bakkipouch

i got bad rep hahaha didnt leave ur name tho ? wimp

rule out me lol

17th March 2008, 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario_1360cc

I was dude..lol

Like any front wheel drive car, if you lift off when you turn in, if your going quick enough, it will oversteer..

My car doesnt just kick out on its own..

Thought you may have been

Although i disagree there as many FWD cars dont lift-off oversteer

Its simply down the the wheelbase and chassis design, i have had many FWD cars that did not lift-off oversteer, many short wheelbase cars tend to do this

17th March 2008, 20:00

i got plenty of lift off over steer in my saxo, the crash to prove it..... came off did a 180 and into a ditch backwards

18th March 2008, 16:56

I had my car down 60 all round and thought it was fine but got it raised up to 40 when my spring snapped.

After i done a bit of reading 60mm in my opinion shudnt be done on standard dampers.The suspension grometry is affected when lowered.

I feel my car handles beter at 40 as it aint as bumpy.
The gear changes are alot smoother as well.
I also found 60 mm can put more wear n tear on the car but thats all my opinion

18th March 2008, 18:59

35mm is good enough i wish ours was - that was what i told the misses to go (jul2vtr) for and didnt long story - ours is 50mm alround it dosent have any nasty handleing side effects (not being stupid enough to find out) !!!!

WHY have the car set up for "that speedboat look" lower at the back !!!??

it makes me pmpl ever time i see any car like that well

!!!

21st March 2008, 11:40

id say 40mm all round or 60mm all round, that covers both looks

21st March 2008, 14:22

wen i get to it, im going 50 all round, looks really good and shouldnt wear as easily as if it were 60 or lower should it?