Wanting to do 16 convo

1. ChrisT Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Pontefract Posts: 243 saxo vtr 106 gti

   #1 18th May 2008, 14:19

   I will be getting a VTR in the next few days. It will be a new style
   
   Wanting to do a 16v conversion straight away on it. Just got a few questions about parts mainly. Are these the parts I need
   
   16v engine - VTS/106gti, from same sort of year of my VTR
   Engine wiring loom and ECU from 16v
   
   Can I use my VTR gearbox and linkage on the 16v?
   
   Also whats all this about fuel return?
2. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #2 18th May 2008, 14:26

   u can use the vtr gearbox on it mate, but stick to a vts gearbox if it comes with one
   
   n u have to make sure u have the right plug ecu, i dont know about anything else lmao hope it helps a little anyway.
3. ChrisT Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Pontefract Posts: 243 saxo vtr 106 gti

   #3 18th May 2008, 14:31

   So if the engine doesnt come with gearbox I can use VTR gearbox no problems?
4. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #4 18th May 2008, 14:34

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by ChrisT So if the engine doesnt come with gearbox I can use VTR gearbox no problems?

   yep any saxo gearbox will be fine on it
5. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

   #5 18th May 2008, 15:03

   need the accelerator cable. full return line and top radiator hose
6. fergy7197 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 lanark Posts: 128 97 vts

   #6 18th May 2008, 15:15

   sorry to hijack the thread - you will have to bear with me if i sound thick here.
   
   u want to convert vtr 8v to vts 16v?
   
   are the heads not inerchangeable?? along with the ecu? a few other parts and voila u have a 16v vts??(obv u will still a vtr box on it)
   
   or is it a bit more complicated than this?
7. ChrisT Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Pontefract Posts: 243 saxo vtr 106 gti

   #7 18th May 2008, 15:31

   Good point mate
   
   But am guessing for the price it would cost me for the head and ECU, and I would no doubt need the inlet system. It may just be easier to take the vtr engine out and plonk the VTS/gti engine in
   
   So I need:
   
   Engine
   Engine loom and ECU(unlocked ECU)
   Throttle cable
   Top rad hose
   
   Anything else? Once I have all these parts is it a case of taking vtr engine out and simply bolting vts engine in and thats it?
8. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

   #8 18th May 2008, 15:36

   Dude next time have a look in the FAQ sticky thread or search for similar topics
   
   16V conversion guide
   
   16V conversion information
9. fergy7197 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 lanark Posts: 128 97 vts

   #9 18th May 2008, 15:43

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by ChrisT Good point mate But am guessing for the price it would cost me for the head and ECU, and I would no doubt need the inlet system. It may just be easier to take the vtr engine out and plonk the VTS/gti engine in So I need: Engine Engine loom and ECU(unlocked ECU) Throttle cable Top rad hose Anything else? Once I have all these parts is it a case of taking vtr engine out and simply bolting vts engine in and thats it?

   depends how many good scrappies you know mate!!
   
   still doesnt answer my original question tho, is it possible??
10. ChrisT Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Pontefract Posts: 243 saxo vtr 106 gti

    #10 18th May 2008, 15:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mieran Dude next time have a look in the FAQ sticky thread or search for similar topics 16V conversion guide 16V conversion information

    Cheers mate
    
    The thing I dont get is the fuel return. Anybody have pics or info on this
11. streetspecials Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 348 Saxo vtr-vts conversion

    #11 18th May 2008, 15:56

    vtr should have fuel return anyway, shouldnt it?
    ive done 3 vts conversions, vts into a vtr and ive never has a problem.
    thought it was just 1.4 and below that doesnt have fuel return?
12. matt_vtr_15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2008 nottingham Posts: 4801 saxo mark 2

    #12 18th May 2008, 16:11

    why would you not just buy a vts if you have this in mind straight away?
    
    obviously you have no plans on informing insurance as it would cost more for a converted car??
    
    unless its for the track??
    
    but if you use the search function mate a lot of your answers will be explained for ya chap
13. Tim_1 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Porthleven/Cornwall Posts: 601 corsa 1.2 Saxo VTR

    #13 18th May 2008, 16:13

    my vtr didnt have a fuel return,
14. ChrisT Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Pontefract Posts: 243 saxo vtr 106 gti

    #14 18th May 2008, 16:14

    I would have a vts or gti but insurance is too high I refuse to pay it lol
    
    So conversion is the way forward
    
    So vtr already has return line, so vts engine is basically plug in and away ya go? Sounds too easy to be true lol
15. fergy7197 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 lanark Posts: 128 97 vts

    #15 18th May 2008, 16:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChrisT I would have a vts or gti but insurance is too high I refuse to pay it lol So conversion is the way forward So vtr already has return line, so vts engine is basically plug in and away ya go? Sounds too easy to be true lol

    
    ur opening a can of worms there mate. if your caught ur fukd.
16. L8R_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 786

    #16 18th May 2008, 17:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fergy7197 sorry to hijack the thread - you will have to bear with me if i sound thick here. u want to convert vtr 8v to vts 16v? are the heads not inerchangeable?? along with the ecu? a few other parts and voila u have a 16v vts??(obv u will still a vtr box on it) or is it a bit more complicated than this?

    No this cant be done, as the block, pistons and crank are all diff you need to ahve a vts engine instead of just a head as the engines are different mate.
17. fergy7197 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 lanark Posts: 128 97 vts

    #17 18th May 2008, 22:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L8R_VTR No this cant be done, as the block, pistons and crank are all diff you need to ahve a vts engine instead of just a head as the engines are different mate.

    
    whats different with them? surely just the head up must just be different, same bore and stroke, same cc and surely with only a 20bhp difference in power between a vtr and vts these parts would not be different?? as its still an N/A engine??
18. pjm300 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2005 Potters Bar United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2749 T/B'd VTS

    #18 18th May 2008, 22:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChrisT I would have a vts or gti but insurance is too high I refuse to pay it lol So conversion is the way forward So vtr already has return line, so vts engine is basically plug in and away ya go? Sounds too easy to be true lol

    you'll get no help from me if you're illegally insuring your car
19. RCD-Performance Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Southampton Posts: 2278

    #19 18th May 2008, 23:08

    I strongly advise if you cant afford to insure a VTS, do not buy one, or convert your car to one. Simple as that.
    
    And no VTS as far as i know has a fuel return line, i finished a VTR-VTS conversion today and the donor car had no fuel return.
20. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #20 19th May 2008, 09:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fergy7197 whats different with them? surely just the head up must just be different, same bore and stroke, same cc and surely with only a 20bhp difference in power between a vtr and vts these parts would not be different?? as its still an N/A engine??

    vts has rebated pistons, vtr doesn't so you'd have to change them, pulleys are different so you'd have to fit vts pulleys to the vtr bottom end etc etc Far easier to just fit a complete vts engine.
21. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #21 19th May 2008, 18:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RCD-Performance I strongly advise if you cant afford to insure a VTS, do not buy one, or convert your car to one. Simple as that. And no VTS as far as i know has a fuel return line, i finished a VTR-VTS conversion today and the donor car had no fuel return.

    all vts' have a fuel return mate. theres 2 fuel lines onto the vts fuel rail, 1 is the return.