coilovers gmax, jamex, hottuning, V-MAXX

  1. #1
    I am doing this because I don’t like to see people ripped off and unhappy with poor ride quality.

    This covers the following coilovers: gmax, jamex, hottuning, V-MAXX.

    They are ALL the same kit but one company appears to use different shocks (black instead of yellow). I’ve no personal experience of the shocks but from reports they are very soft!

    The springs the adjusters are all the same BUT most times they claim to lower the car 110mm, this is not possible! Max lowing is about 70-80mm, lowing this about will leave you in tears with a UN driveable car.

    I have driven many slammed cars and trust me this is worst than unsafe, the way the kit is designed it looses you approx 35cm of suspension travel and leaves you with a metal to metal contact and with only 15mm of travel left this is seriously dangerous.

    This kit you get:


    My old 106 fully lowered:



    Now i’ve told you how bad it is, this is how to make something good of a bad thing!
    1stly by the cheapest kit you can find, and sell the shocks on eBay. I paid £150 for my set and sold shocks for 120!

    This will leave you with the coilover parts you need.

    when your using different shocks(I used spax non adjustable), you will find they don’t fit correctly into the threaded tube, you will need to take the shock and tube to a machine shop and get them to remove about 2mm of material from the inside end face. This should cost no more than 20quid; it’s a 5 min job!

    This diagram should help:


    Now your shocks fit you need to buy the key upgrade to the kit:
    106 Grp N Top Spring Pan
    http://www.specialtuninguk.co.uk/aca...pring_Pan.html

    This will bring back your full suspension travel and allow you to lower further.

    When you get the top spring pan you will find it’s designed for a 3" spring and the coilover kit uses a 2.5" spring. But it’s only the top and bottom coils on the spring which is of this size, once you have cut the top coil off the spring the 3" top spring pan fits perfectly.

    Some people are against cutting springs but this in no way weakens the spring and will overall make the car so much safer imo! The spring will be looser but not completely slack when the wheels are off the ground.
    if you do the same as me but having 50mm machined off the length of the shocks you will never have any trouble at all.( if you do this never compress the shocks off the car).

    Once finished the car is not lower and so much more driveable, only serious knocks come from large bumps that any lowered car would knock over.

    Finished item:


    my latest kit on my vts:



    ive not had time to read this through fully so please let me know of any mistakes and i hope people interested make full use of it. thanks pete
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  2. #2
    Very good mate, interesting read and i can believe its true

    Repped
  3. #3
    suppose ya get what ya pay for most of the time. good to let people know though!
  4. #4
    very true you do get what you pay for, but these kits are so cheap compaired to say fk coilovers people think there a bargin, but it is very cheap.

    it wud be nice if this could be made a sticky as so many people ask about these kits!

    can anyone else with experiance of these kits please write how you found them? cheers
  5. #5
    I couldnt believe these kits would be a patch on some of the better suspension available for the saxo, shocking kit really imo. If your on a budget Apex suspension everytime.
  6. #6
    good guide mate, glad i read it before buying as the hottuning was a consideration
  7. #7
    very good guide!

    spot on i new they were shite!
  8. #8
    very usefull guy mite have ago myself!
  9. #9
    you are a legend lol! jus had these fitted and any bump ....metal to metal bang! is that £36 for 2 top spring mounts? or is that for one??
  10. #10
    in adddition you mean 50mm more thread so as the shock can be pulled further up?
  11. #11
    whats peoples opinions of the raceland coilover kit.
  12. #12
    raceland is the same kit mate.

    saxostuart, sent you pm, but the top spring pand from special tuning are £39 each and works out to just over £100 after vat and postage.

    to your 2nd question i basicaly took 50mm off the length of the shock, if you over compress the shock while off the car youll probaly fuck them so be carefull, its perfectly safe while on the car tho
  13. #13
    nice info matey dont know about suspension myself so if it sounds good...i believe it...

    can i ask...is that 106 the one Mark205something something used to own? reconise the wheels when he took me for a spin at FCS
  14. #14
    yeah mark got it day before fcs, someone else in the club has it now.
  15. #15
    aye...i know...he got the 205 rally beast...was impressed by the car...handled pretty well imo...i would get coilies on my saxo...but £600+ on coilies, then actually fitting them...not worth it...just stick to a Decent Blistiens B8 kit
  16. #16
    so by having the group n top spring cup allows the cup to travel over the lower spring adjuster allowing the bumpstop to contact when needed rather than the top spring cup??
  17. #17
    thats correct mate, it gives you back that 1' or so of travel that you shud have.
  18. #18
    good shit!! repped!!....... making my own topmounts on the lathe as a we project ill see how they turn out!
  19. #19
    o another thing.......see the second pic of the 106 does it bang or make you cry at that height after the work is done??
  20. #20
    thats a good idea mate, ive now got access to a lathe but didnt at the time, if you nee dto know anymore just ask.

    the ride was really good considering how low it was, no more harsh than a normal slammed saxo or 106. the 106 is on its 3rd owner since i sold it now im sure ull be able to find them and ask there opinion.
  21. #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 106pete View Post
    thats a good idea mate, ive now got access to a lathe but didnt at the time, if you nee dto know anymore just ask.

    the ride was really good considering how low it was, no more harsh than a normal slammed saxo or 106. the 106 is on its 3rd owner since i sold it now im sure ull be able to find them and ask there opinion.
    awright owns that 106 now and iv drove it myself and i now own the coilovers of it, they give a good ride tbh its not that harsh either and handles really well considering your about 20mm from the floor.
  22. #22
    ah sweet, got any pics of them fitted to ur saxo? always thought it needed a few more mm at the front, as do most "euro" saxo's
  23. #23
    Anybody know how to adjust adjustable SPAX suspension? Do I need a c spanner?
  24. #24
    you need a c spanner for any coilover kit.

    some ppl have asked about pi coilovers lately, i would guess there the same kit.
  25. #25
    bumping this up, just done my 2nd set now and forgot how good it was.
  26. #26
    i have v-maxx coilovers and their not low enough on the front so ive just ordered new faulkner shorter springs.

    lee_vtr1 is gonna sort it all out for me.
  27. #27
    good guide, i bought the raceland kit which looks the same as pics, i got it for a really good price, so adjusted the rear bars and fitted the coilover kit and as said its a really badly designed piece of kit, i lowered it as much as it would let me and that was only about 60-65mm not as much as i hoped, and on only the mildest bumps/potholes it would make the loudest bang ever, on some closer investigation i found the top of the strut hitting the top spring mount, but if you look at it there is about another 2" of space that the strut could go into if it wasnt for the bad design..

    so i guess this is what these parts do http://www.specialtuninguk.co.uk/aca...pring_Pan.html allow for that extra travel... but the thing im not to keen on is cutting the coil, as it wouldnt be a flat contact surface, and i can see the spring fallen out unless you use helper coils, so can i please see some pics of your coils fitted...

    cheers

    scott
  28. #28
    Difficult to find pictures as the kit breaks to quickly. The cutting spring bit is dodgy mate and not safe. In theroy the spring could come out mate. DO NOT USE KIT
  29. #29
    yeh so would fitting helper springs in not help, or even change the springs all togeather...
  30. #30
    ye either or mate, personally id change the springs, Ill be cahnging mine of my GAZ coilovers soon for different spec ones so mine will be for sale if ur intrested in some decent coil springs cheap!
  31. #31
    yeh mate would be, whats the spec on the springs? lbs and dia? cheers
  32. #32
    Would it be easier to buy some grpN top mounts and a coilover conversion kit and run them on the standard shocks?
    I'm sure i've seen a conversion kit on ebay somewhere that looks just like some of the bit you pulled off the shocks?
  33. #33
    changing springs doesnt solve anything, ur still missing alot of suspension travel, using the grp n top spring pan in my latest kit i have ground the top of the spring flat.

    how ever unless you machine down the shock then yes the spring could possibly come loose.

    lee with the grey saxo had the oldest kit i know of and he endded up binning the kit after the threaded tube stripped its thread, this is the only case ive heard of so far but then not many other ppl use it.

    from my experiance the best thing to do is sell the kit on ebay and by all the pug grp n coilover bits and run a 3' set up, id of thought 6' main and 4' helper would give a nice drop.

    big advantage using 3' dia springs is they are less prone to goin coilbound

    only other option is a set of fk's and remove the helper(not the ideal solution)
  34. #34
    when you say machine down the shock what exactly do you mean by this and where do you machine? again some pics would clear thins up a great deal...
  35. #35
    dont think i have any pics of the shocks, its very simple tho. the very top of the shock where the thread is for the top nut, u just machine down the shaft and dienut down the thread.

    not sure if u can do it to adjustable shocks tho.
  36. #36
    aaahhh right i see now, yeh that would stop the spring from jumping out then, looks like i just need the group n spring pans then from all the info i have gathered here, oh and some new top mounts, thanks for you info mate

    scott
  37. #37
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=280246504876
  38. #38
    gaz kits are designed for track use hence seriously hard springs but other wise it seems ok, ive not checked it out myself.
  39. #39
    mmm i had gaz coilovers on my r5 and they where really harsh, tho as said on track a brilliant piece of kit, but expensive as well and needed a rebuild after only 2000 miles
  40. #40
    think the gaz shocks are quite good now for durance and reliability
  41. #41
    pete any chance do you have a pic of the groupn topmount fitted with the vmax spring? does the group n topmount fit into the topmount bearing?
  42. #42


    by any chance do you know the diameter of where the spring sits into?
  43. #43
    yeah its 3' dia and yes it fits nicely in the top bearing. are u making urs now? i have a couple pics ill try to upload tonight.
  44. #44
    yea just drawing them up now, will get some pics and dimensions up soon
  45. #45
    any chance you could do me a pair of those too mate seems a bit steep what they are charging for them! lol especialy as the kit only cost me £169 its a ta technix kit thats TUV cert so not sure how good its going to be on the car or if it is the same as the kits in this thread but looks similar, should be ok for my lil bro-in-law's 1.0l! lol currently doing an impression of an off-roader!
  46. #46
    wudnt even bother fitting it lad, all the kits are tuv and there dangerous as hell. trying to get custom springs done so no more cutting. if u can try to get ur money back its the best way.
  47. #47
    in what way are they dangerous? cheers
  48. #48
    like it says on the first page, theres barely any travel and its just a solid metal to metal bang and no bump stop.

    u cud use the kit higher up but whats the point in buying coilovers then?
  49. #49
    fair enough i've bought them and then read your threads on here and 106forums so if it does turn out that crap then they will just get sent back under warenty. just trying to close the tire to arch gap that atm is about a foot! lol maybe slight exageration, wont be going too low as there are BIG speedbumps round here! the kit i bought is a ta technix but guessing its the same manufacturer as looks v similar! just not sure if these ones need to be welded or they slot in or what, havent had a look on the car yet but the bottom of the shock is just a rounded bottom??? cheers for your help! dunno if you fancy givin me a hand fittin it? im down in plymouth/plymstock this week?? cheers
  50. #50
    well i live in plymstock but im not spending my time fitting that kit cos by next week ud want it off lol. even right down ud prob still clear most speed humps.

    give me a shout if u do need a quick hand with anything, it got all the gear ud ever need.
  51. #51
    wished i had come along this thread before i bought these! They really are shit! im going to try and get my money back, surley its false advertisement saying it lowers your car to 110mm?
  52. #52
    yup it is, i dont under stand how they are tuv aproved. go get ur money back mate.
  53. #53
    brilliant. need to find some shocks now, is it posible to buy stiffer 3" springs?
  54. #54
    what are the raceland coilovers like if you only drop it 40/50mm is it still better to buy billies B8 and GMC springs? is it really worth the extra money for performance?

    Bill.

    P.S. was just about to order these so that why i am asking!
  55. #55
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BFannon View Post
    what are the raceland coilovers like if you only drop it 40/50mm is it still better to buy billies B8 and GMC springs? is it really worth the extra money for performance?

    Bill.

    P.S. was just about to order these so that why i am asking!
    yes the faulkner and billies will outperform the racelande by miles
  56. #56
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BFannon View Post
    what are the raceland coilovers like if you only drop it 40/50mm is it still better to buy billies B8 and GMC springs? is it really worth the extra money for performance?

    Bill.

    P.S. was just about to order these so that why i am asking!
    Buy cheap. Buy twice.
  57. #57
    with these its more like buy twice, destroy many parts in process, dye in ball of burning saxo
  58. #58
    hairy muff think i heard enough to put me off lol! what recomended set up? what is usual price obviously better you buy better it is but was looking at £200-£250 very max! for springs and shocks! what about the raceland struts and air filter of the member off here are they reasonable for the money?

    many thanks

    Bill.
  59. #59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BFannon View Post
    hairy muff think i heard enough to put me off lol! what recomended set up? what is usual price obviously better you buy better it is but was looking at £200-£250 very max! for springs and shocks! what about the raceland struts and air filter of the member off here are they reasonable for the money?

    many thanks

    Bill.
    Please dont touch raceland for suspension. My recommendation is to save another £100+ more or so and get a quality kit - have a quick look in the suspension section as there's a lot of threads on good setups
  60. #60
    They will be TUV tested for a certain rideheight.
    Stuff like FK and KW get TUV approval for up to 80-100mm. They usually can go lower but this is not even advertised. I dont know what the racelands were tested at.
    Something like the Bilstein B8 dampers and eibach springs will give you a much better ride.

    Kev
  61. #61
    like i said didnt really want to spend more that 200-250 whats best recomended? ride hight is as i said about 40/50mm all round! just want best handling for road and occasional track session! ride quality doesn't bother me i have a Glanza V on coilovers set to stiffist settings and i still used it daily! so whats best set up for 200-250£ also will be runing 15" 195/45/15's!

    p.s. on a side note can i run 195/50/15 tyres on a saxy as i have fallen in love with the yokies prada spec-2 on my V so would like to run them on the saxo!

    many thanks
    Bill.
  62. #62
    Apex I'd say if they are that cheap ? Or Spax maybe ?
  63. #63
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BFannon View Post
    like i said didnt really want to spend more that 200-250 whats best recomended? ride hight is as i said about 40/50mm all round! just want best handling for road and occasional track session! ride quality doesn't bother me i have a Glanza V on coilovers set to stiffist settings and i still used it daily! so whats best set up for 200-250£ also will be runing 15" 195/45/15's!

    p.s. on a side note can i run 195/50/15 tyres on a saxy as i have fallen in love with the yokies prada spec-2 on my V so would like to run them on the saxo!

    many thanks
    Bill.
    apex 50mm kit
    i run that on mine its spot on

    and i have prada spec 2s aswell
    i had to remove the rear arch liners and trim the bumper bracket but tis cool
  64. #64
    sooo lemme get this right you just used a £120 coilover kit to make a £150 non adjustable shock into coilovers? thats fantastic news, i must look closer into this and get my billies made into coilovers for the rally car, how would i make this able to say lower 20 from standard for forest spec and then 35 from standard for tarmak spec ?
  65. #65
    So by using a 3 inch spring pan on the top, the threaded tube that the lower sring seat sits on will clear thrugh the bore of the larger pan... am i right. I recently bought the kit and i must say. They are fucking wank!!! any help appreciated.

    Sam
  66. #66
    Bin them and dont be cheap.
  67. #67
    Yeah i am considering that tbh. I really cant beleive that such a shit quality and poor design can be sold tbh. Shocking!

    Sam
  68. #68
    ive looked around for ages for coilovers and low low springs but i cant get any lower than 70mm, how do them shocks fit ? because you have nothing to bult the stearing arm 2??
  69. #69
    hi guys just wondering wats best lbs springs to get for my coilovers i have ones similar if not are to raceland ones and before anyones says yes i do know people say there rubbish but dosent bother me in any way
    all help would be appreciated cheers
    james
  70. #70
    wow ignore that lol thought i was making new thread
  71. #71
    I bought TaTechnix coilovers and I want to put them on car, but before that I want to modify them to fit without bang sound. What do I need to change to work properly?

    This and shorther and stiffer springs? Or?

    I read the whole thread but still don't understand correctlly what do I need to change to work fine...Thanks!

    P.S. bought them because of price and my ride - slow
  72. #72
    Bin them and don't be cheap
  73. #73
    Heh, I won't bin them mate I want them. Friends father works with custom springs etc so he can make me whatever I want about springs just need to know what I have to change, so please tell me
  74. #74
    for a start you need to change the shocks and get some stiffer springs
  75. #75
    You basically pay £200 for a threaded collor which costs £20
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  76. #76
    your best bet is to sell the kit on ebay, and then put a kit together with some good parts.

    so for example get your mates dad to sort you out with some springs in whatever lb and length you want.

    Run say some spax or koni front shocks, go onto the rallydesign website and order some threaded tube and collars, and put the kit together yourself.

    Might need a bit of machining on the top collar for it to work with the standard top mounts.

    Good coilover setup for the same price as these shocking kits
  77. #77
    Read this thread, the ride doesnt sound great:

    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...=1#post5430767
  78. #78
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by db_sax View Post
    You basically pay £200 for a threaded collor which costs £20
    Exactly this.

    The only bit thats remotely half useful is the coller which is also of equally sh*t quality and the threads have been known to strip very easily.

    Dampers are absolutely useless. Springs are too soft, they wont go as low as they say they do.

    They are very very poor and not fit for purpose.
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  79. #79
    I thought I can "remake" them to fit ok...I'm disappointed now :/

    But, before I bought them, I have asked some people on forum who had them on cars lowered about 50mm and they said they're ok...
  80. #80
    basically you can but you only retain one tiny bit of the kit you might aswell buy a rally design collar running 2.25 id springs and some decent shocks

    the mod in this thread isnt a great idea (cutting springs never is)youd need to shorten the shocks your using to suit and the springs to soft to be that short so it just fails

    i really would say youve wasted 200 quid especially as they can be bought for 160 on ebay
  81. #81
    And for wanting 50mm for the price range of £200 the Apex kit is brilliant for that price and would have been a great option.

    Who recommended those coilovers to you?
  82. #82
    "Happy new year to you too fella!

    First of all, yes i do have them, and im looking into getting different suspension for the future, they just came around at the time i got the GTi and wanted to go low, at a Cheap price.

    From personal experience I find them good, but they have NO comparision compared to the likes of Bilstiens, GAZ, etc.

    Having them the whole way down will give you bad handling, and will sit on the bump stops when you hit even the smallest of bumps. They are very sharp, meaning they connect with the inside of the shock. I think they are good for the price, for a small amount of time before moving onto bigger and better shocks.

    I have the car sitting at about 55-60mm and the handling is quite good, with stiffness, but definitely not any better if they went lower.

    Hope thats helpful mate. There is a thread that was posted on my progress blog about them, obviously majority of feedback is negative towards them, being the cheap set etc, but for what you pay, it's not that bad.

    Hope that can help matey."

    That was my PM from 106matt, so I find them OK for what I want, just for look and OK driving (not perfect but not so bad)

    So, my last question, are they worth putting them on car to lower it for 50mm for normal driving without hitting bumpstop etc?

    For look (to lower it) like this:

  83. #83
    I think it was kind of obvious he was saying theyre ok as hes trying to sell them..

    There is nothing ok about them. You just need to accept you would be better off with pogo sticks on each wheel.
  84. #84
    I think I'll try them on car lowered 50mm and if they'll be bad I'll bin them !

    Thank you all for help !
  85. #85
    By cutting the springs, to fit the new pans, surely is an mot failure?

    I've just bought some ta technix, but it's the type of coilover with 2 springs, and you adjust only one of them.. Is this going to be better then the coillies that only use the one spring? Thanks
  86. #86
    How did you find that coilovers? I didn' know they exist :/ If you put them on, please write somethnig about them Don't forget
  87. #87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jamieb809 View Post
    By cutting the springs, to fit the new pans, surely is an mot failure?

    I've just bought some ta technix, but it's the type of coilover with 2 springs, and you adjust only one of them.. Is this going to be better then the coillies that only use the one spring? Thanks
    no, that second spring (the helper spring) is only there to fill in the space and not let the main spring come out its seat when the shock is fully extended.

    just becuase it has a helper spring it doesnt automatically mean its a better coilover kit. The problem with ta technix kits is that the springs are shit, the dampers are too soft and they knock and bang when low
  88. #88
    But surely this means I can lower the car until the helper spring is fully compressed, won't decrease the available travel of the damper. As long as the second spring has not been adjusted?
  89. #89
    basically yea your right it allows the damper full stroke without the spring coming free

    you adjust both springs at the same time as you compress the helper you lift the height of the car so fully compressed helper is a higher car
    helper springs dont really do anything for ride heights they just take up the slack as the damper extends so the spring doesnt come unseated


    and to the guy ignoring advice and saying youd fit them anyway you have been warned dont come crying when your car drives like shit
    i had these coilovers on my old 1.0 (whish has a much lighter engine than half the cars you lot are modding) and they still banged and bottomed and were shite
    so feel free to ignore the 3 pages of us warning you and any other thread if you search....
  90. #90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexB View Post
    and to the guy ignoring advice and saying youd fit them anyway you have been warned dont come crying when your car drives like shit
    i had these coilovers on my old 1.0 (whish has a much lighter engine than half the cars you lot are modding) and they still banged and bottomed and were shite
    so feel free to ignore the 3 pages of us warning you and any other thread if you search....

    It is confusing when people ask for advice, then ignore it all and do what they wanted to do in the first place which is wrong.
  91. #91
    Sorry guys, I accept your advice but I just want to know/expirience from first hand what is the problem about them...so I can tell others (like you tell me) about problems/experience about them and to see ride when they are lowered 40-50mm, very interested in that. Just because of that.
  92. #92
    my last question, if the shocks in these kits are so bad, would using the standard shocks from my struts with the kit be a better option?
  93. #93
    This is my video of TaTechnix coilovers lowered 10mm of max on them..check this banging sound... I've bought new custom coils, top pan and shortened dumpers and it's ok now...