weight reduction????

10th December 2008, 17:07

hi there, have been thinking of stripping out my saxo to reduce weight, probably a very regular question so im sorry if it is, but what kind of things are people stripping to lose that extra weight besides interior trim seats etc, and HOW MUCH better is acceleration/performance?

10th December 2008, 17:14

Take spare wheel off - noticed a difference, better handling back end

10th December 2008, 17:14

seats
belts
door cards
plastic trim
spare wheel
spare wheel cage
rear window wiper
roof lining
elecy window mechinisms
carpet
insulation
heat shielding
dash
foglights
airbag ECU
stereo
speakers
heating

ive gained 40bhp

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/search.php

10th December 2008, 17:23

if your gona do it go all out its a pain in the arse cos u hear every stone in the road but sound deadnings heavy in my last one i managed to fill up 8 bin liners of stuff as above all of that out and then exsess metal on the boot or just go firbe glass bonnet an tailgate metal in the doors, it sertainly makes a diffrent having a good power to weight ratio, imagin all that with about 160bhp your be better than type r/scoby teritory

10th December 2008, 17:25

that was going to be my nex reduction(spare wheel) my cars to low to remove anyway so ill need to jack up, but i was also going to cut cage off untill the other day my m8 told me that now its a legal requirement to have the cage left on for mot if it had 1 factory fitted, dont no how true it is? which is why i was going to ask? anyone else heard this? he said someone who done mmots for quickfit had told him?

10th December 2008, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

that was going to be my nex reduction(spare wheel) my cars to low to remove anyway so ill need to jack up, but i was also going to cut cage off untill the other day my m8 told me that now its a legal requirement to have the cage left on for mot if it had 1 factory fitted, dont no how true it is? which is why i was going to ask? anyone else heard this? he said someone who done mmots for quickfit had told him?

You dont need a spare wheel or cage for MOT in UK, you do in EU countries though.

10th December 2008, 17:31

cheers, thought it sounded bogus, ive never heard that 1 before, jus wanted to make sure as im due an mot shortly, jus guna wait to chop the cage as ill hav to replace the centre for the mot and the heatshield can also come off then as its rattling anyway!!

10th December 2008, 17:36

also eat less food!

should give you about 2bhp more if you loose a stone in weight

so get yourself on a carbrohydrate diet LOLS>

I joke I joke

10th December 2008, 17:40

if you wana be hardcore just have 1 seat a wheel and dial sortd

10th December 2008, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacko87

Take spare wheel off - noticed a difference, better handling back end

I would of thought the bank end would get worse?? its light enough as it is surely!?

10th December 2008, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

seats
belts
door cards
plastic trim
spare wheel
spare wheel cage
rear window wiper
roof lining
elecy window mechinisms
carpet
insulation
heat shielding
dash
foglights
airbag ECU
stereo
speakers
heating

ive gained 40bhp

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/search.php

lol i love your furio, its totally stripped

10th December 2008, 18:21

Back end gets twitchy when you strip it all out as its so light so you have to lower it more imo, its all preference though depends on how you like your car to handle. Mine sits perfectly even all round rather than slightly higher at the back.

Acceleration is seriously improved you'll notice that straight away, but the most impressive thing I found was that the braking and handling are awesome. They turn in so much quicker, so much more responsively. Well worth it. Ive taken everything out except the dash and two buckets though.

I dont miss my normal interior atall

10th December 2008, 18:25

wana see ultimate strippage.

i dont know of a lighter saxo, if you do please let me know.

not my work tho ill admit

10th December 2008, 18:29

10th December 2008, 18:30

i dont really have a full list of what has been removed, but here is a list of all the work carried out.

Cat Cams 708's

Fully rebuilt head, new valve stem seals, camshaft oil seals, head gasket etc
Cat Cams 708's
BTB 4-1 manifold, coated in heatproof paint and fully wrapped
Peugeot Sport Group N Semi Rigid Engine mount kit
Custom De-Cat pipe
Ashley competition mild steel system
Nissens aluminium core radiator
K&N Panel filter, with custom direct air feed
I also replaced the water pump, idler pulley, tensioner pulley and cambelt, all of which were from Peugeot and I have receipts for.

New driveshaft seals aswell

S2 Rallye Steels

Colway 185/55/14

Lowered 40mm on GMC springs

Cituning Upper strut brace

OMP Lower strut brace

Sparco 6 point roll cage fully welded in

Polyrace bushes on the front of the wishbones

Shenpar rear wishbone mounts

Polyrace rear beam mounts

Power flex front ARB mounts

Converted to Non PAS

Maxtorq group N discs

Mintex M1144 pads

Custom brake lines all round, rear pipes routed inside with adjustable bias valve.

Goodridge stainless braided hose kit

OMP Eco Bucket Seat

Sabelt 3 Point Harness

Ripspeed steering wheel (yes, ripspeed)

Standard Seats replaced with One bucket

Standard Seatbelts removed replaced with one harness

Steering Wheel replaced for lighter item (all airbag system inc wiring removed)

Plastic Trims removed

Door Cards removed

Sterio System removed

Arial removed

Carpet removed

Pedal Rubbers removed

Heater Matrix and Blower motor removed

Standard rad replaced with nissens aluminium rad

Dash removed

Sound Deadening removed

Rooflining removed

3rd Brakelight Removed

Firewall removed

Engine Side Sound Deadening removed

No 'not needed' engine plastics

Window washer bottle neck removed

Air box resonator replaced with direct ducting

Fog Lights & Wiring Removed

Rear Wiper Motor removed

Spare Wheel Cage removed

Windows replaced with Polycarbs, pop out brackets removed

Sunroof Ditched for aluminium Panel

Black crap from rear wheel arches removed

Electric Window Motors removed

No Alarm

No Immobiliser

No Remote Central Locking

All unused wires cut out, needed wires shortened where possible

Unused exhaust hanger removed

Black Strips from B pillars removed

Unused interior Brackets cut out

Unused interior bolts grinded off

Both Boot struts removed

De Framed Carbon/Fibre Glass Bonnet

No Bonnet Catch/Pull Cable

No Bonnet Hinges

Black plastic behind grill removed

Black plastic behind bumper mouth removed

Power steering pump/pipes/res removed

Power steering rack and column replaced with none PAS type

Inner Door Skins removed

Rear Washer jet and piping removed

Sound deadening from footwells removed

Bootskin chopped out

Rear polycarb screen fitted

Exhaust heat shields removed

ABS System removed including all brackets and bolts

Approximate weight before abs and PAS removed was 740 with half a tank. estimated 700kg now empty tank

10th December 2008, 18:50

thekse are from before i took my carpet and dash out (also removed the passenger seat lol)
in a 1.1 it kept up with a vtr in a straight line to about 60-65ish

also had removed rear wiper
rear screen washer
lines through the car to screen washer
all covers in the engine bay
scuttle panel
arch liners

and once tha dash came out so did all the heaters the sterio the door wiring looms ect
i also had all the rear arches behind the plastic trim cut off (but that was to clear my wheels)

again pics were from before the dash came out

10th December 2008, 18:55

brad still running the shitty colways you pikey!!

10th December 2008, 19:09

seriously yeh a saxo isa tin can and all you do is remove more items to make it an even lighter thinner tin can!

my advice SERIOUSLY

if your gonna strip your saxo please at least get a proper roll cage fitted or your just playing with fire if you dont, and sooner or later you will get burnt!

10th December 2008, 19:13

yer cage it of course

i know ryan, i dont use the car that often and it has 4 brand new tyres, be them shitty colways lol.

what was bill thinking

i cant even touch the brake without all four locking up

10th December 2008, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by don55

yer cage it of course

i know ryan, i dont use the car that often and it has 4 brand new tyres, be them shitty colways lol.

what was bill thinking

i cant even touch the brake without all four locking up

I think lawrence was in pikey mode that day lol!!!

bin them mate espec as you can get decent tyres cheap!

10th December 2008, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

my advice SERIOUSLY

if your gonna strip your saxo please at least get a proper roll cage fitted or your just playing with fire if you dont, and sooner or later you will get burnt!

Doesnt really make sense tbh.

Most weight being removed doesnt effect the structural strenght of the car.

less weight will improve braking performance though in theory

10th December 2008, 20:11

was gunna say the plastic isn't structural

yea a cage is bemefitial if you bin it
but the car is no weaker than standard
even some grinding like I did doesn't make a difference (if your not an idiot with it)

10th December 2008, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by don55

yer cage it of course

good good

just make sure its a FIA approved one or your MOT will be a fail plus it wont be road legal!
actually the MOT bit all depends where you take your car to be MOT'd some places just dont give a dam) but think about the idiot who was in his modded 4x4 home made cage etc etc and ended up killing his kids not so good eh!

have you informed your insurance of what you are doing. for if not and you have a accident your insurance will be void!

just thought id mention that as there simple things to forget! or to try and ignore

.

10th December 2008, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

seriously yeh a saxo isa tin can and all you do is remove more items to make it an even lighter thinner tin can!

my advice SERIOUSLY

if your gonna strip your saxo please at least get a proper roll cage fitted or your just playing with fire if you dont, and sooner or later you will get burnt!

lol, mate its not gonna be any different than std. You think the std interiors gonna save yopur ass in a crash? If anything its just more stuff to hit you.

10th December 2008, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

good good

just make sure its a FIA approved one or your MOT will be a fail plus it wont be road legal!

martin where have you got that from.

An mot has sod all to do with blue book regulations.

10th December 2008, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

lol, mate its not gonna be any different than std. You think the std interiors gonna save yopur ass in a crash? If anything its just more stuff to hit you.

what im basicly saying is if your gonna remove it all....... at least cage it up!

there are so many members on here who have stripped there saxo and not even botherd to cage it and then go around saying they are a track slag when they clearly are not lols.

10th December 2008, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

what im basicly saying is if your gonna remove it all....... at least cage it up!

there are so many members on here who have stripped there saxo and not even botherd to cage it and then go around saying they are a track slag when they clearly are not lols.

only time its dangerous to not use a cage is with buckets and harnesses, thats purely because of the fixed position and the lack of movement in comparisson to a belt and standard seat set up.

10th December 2008, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

martin where have you got that from.

An mot has sod all to do with blue book regulations.

local mot place! was talking to them about roll cages... also with insurance you tell your insurance you gonna put a cage in it and its still be used for road usage your insurance will go up a nice bit..due to they will think ehhh wait a sec roll cage in a saxo (boyracer car) hmm = wants to go racing/spedding = put other road users at risk = maybe death so = higher insurance premium!

other example is harnesses if there not fixed properly MOT can fail you for it! I had to get FIA approved plates and eye bolts and then attached them to the car so my old saxo would pass its mot..im just guessing the place i take my cars to get mot'd they take there shit seriously lol.

10th December 2008, 20:25

i know but even to spend £200 on tyres is jsut not really cost effective for me, im going traveling soon and the car, might, have to be sold, unless i can find storage for it.

10th December 2008, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

local mot place! was talking to them about roll cages... also with insurance you tell your insurance you gonna put a cage in it and its still be used for road usage your insurance will go up a nice bit..due to they will think ehhh wait a sec roll cage in a saxo (boyracer car) hmm = wants to go racing/spedding = put other road users at risk = maybe death so = higher insurance premium!

other example is harnesses if there not fixed properly MOT can fail you for it! I had to get FIA approved plates and eye bolts and then attached them to the car so my old saxo would pass its mot..im just guessing the place i take my cars to get mot'd they take there shit seriously lol.

I think your MOT place have been winding you up tbh as I have never in my life ever heard anyone stating that a cage has to be fia approved. So is a dimma cage an mot failure> as its a cage that isnt approved to MSA standards.

They cant check if the cage is approved for racing use, remeber that in alot of cases of producs FIA dates are 5 years from manufacture.

Of course if a harness is not fitted properly its a fail the same as if a seatbelt isnt attached properly, you can use eyebolts or cage itself. Theres no way of them to test if they are FIA apprived either lol!

10th December 2008, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by don55

i know but even to spend £200 on tyres is jsut not really cost effective for me, im going traveling soon and the car, might, have to be sold, unless i can find storage for it.

travlin as in goin over seas? ofr a long time?

if so SORN your car get some money back off your tax disc..then put it into storage

. i done that with my mr2 whilst im building it lols

storage wise no mates got a garage they would rent out or maybe lend out fora bit?

10th December 2008, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

I think your MOT place have been winding you up tbh as I have never in my life ever heard anyone stating that a cage has to be fia approved. So is a dimma cage an mot failure> as its a cage that isnt approved to MSA standards.

They cant check if the cage is approved for racing use, remeber that in alot of cases of producs FIA dates are 5 years from manufacture.

Of course if a harness is not fitted properly its a fail the same as if a seatbelt isnt attached properly, you can use eyebolts or cage itself. Theres no way of them to test if they are FIA apprived either lol!

its not just me they have said it toabout 5 other people I know also have heard it from them lols.

looks like il give them a trivia quiz next time im there LOLS!!!!!!!!

10th December 2008, 20:31

they are just being anally retentive.

To even have a cage confide to FIA regs a bolt in for example must be fitted with certain high tensile bolts. Do they go round and check each load rating of each bolt> then do they ask for the doc sheet from the cage in order to validate MOT lol!

some 4x4s have rear cages, they are not all FIA approved either.

10th December 2008, 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

they are just being anally retentive.

To even have a cage confide to FIA regs a bolt in for example must be fitted with certain high tensile bolts. Do they go round and check each load rating of each bolt> then do they ask for the doc sheet from the cage in order to validate MOT lol!

some 4x4s have rear cages, they are not all FIA approved either.

hahahaha

Quote:

To even have a cage confide to FIA regs a bolt in for example must be fitted with certain high tensile bolts they go round and check each load rating of each bolt

il be using that sentance as my fuel to burn there fire more hahahaha.

10th December 2008, 20:38

thats only for bolt in remeber. Not weld in, weld in jobbies dont have bolts

seriously they seem full of shit.

10th December 2008, 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

thats only for bolt in remeber. Not weld in, weld in jobbies dont have bolts

seriously they seem full of shit.

only thing i can think of is they dont want to MOT modified cars lols.
in other words want there jobs to be easier !

10th December 2008, 20:49

or modified means plenty to pick at = money

10th December 2008, 21:07

its like my local garage

the ramps are sunk in the floor so you can drive straight on
but he refuses to do work on my mates car as its 'too low to get on the ramps'

lots of garages dont like modded cars
im not looking forward to taking my vts there an seeing what he says about it lol

10th December 2008, 21:09

alex im not looking forward to next years MOT on the vt'R'

10th December 2008, 21:14

haha well ill be moting a bodied vts with no airbox (hes iffy on volume)
on r888s
ill need to fit a cat
got a lower brace (so wont get on brake tester rig) and also my mani hangs extremely low (it hit the rollers at chipwizards)
with my crazy cage ect
plus ill be running angel eye lights (which ive seen guys have issues with beam pattern)

its gong to suck

10th December 2008, 21:16

i have removed every thing inside of the car that bolts down or glued in place.
the dash has been removed, the sunroof removed, the doors have been on a diet with the help from a grinder.
the windows are gone and will be replaced with polycarb, carbon bonnet.
next on the list is a smaller alloy fuel tank, fibre glass or carbon tailgate, carbon bucket seat 1off and a new and improved lighter wiring harness

10th December 2008, 21:17

erm I have open trumpets and 803s

and all of the above.

why the gay lights>

10th December 2008, 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

local mot place! was talking to them about roll cages... also with insurance you tell your insurance you gonna put a cage in it and its still be used for road usage your insurance will go up a nice bit..due to they will think ehhh wait a sec roll cage in a saxo (boyracer car) hmm = wants to go racing/spedding = put other road users at risk = maybe death so = higher insurance premium!

other example is harnesses if there not fixed properly MOT can fail you for it! I had to get FIA approved plates and eye bolts and then attached them to the car so my old saxo would pass its mot..im just guessing the place i take my cars to get mot'd they take there shit seriously lol.

never heard about any mot place knocking back a car for the cage.
as for the buckets and harnesses, same applies there tbh. as long as they are fixed and not loose, the guy cant fial them. your mot dude musnt like the look of you or your car.

as for the insurance, i can insure my vtr shell with a vts engine, cams, turbo, filter, standalone ecu, exhaust, bigger alloys, 4pots, lowered, buckets, stripped, roll cage and i said was was looking to get around 280bhp.

fully comp on that was cheaper than my everyday VTS!
i was really shocked, called them up to make sure and they said, yep its right.
just a specialist broker

lol
helps being an old cunt with plenty of no claims

10th December 2008, 21:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

erm I have open trumpets and 803s

and all of the above.

why the gay lights>

i want it to look like it did before i binned it

so angels are going on it (ill have to buy headlights anyway so why not lol)

ill have ph5s i think and 42mm jenveys so itll be loud

10th December 2008, 21:32

you dont have them though

42mm jenveys are what i sold and what craig (vtr130) is running on the 808s.

LOL fag.... GAYgel eyes

10th December 2008, 21:34

call me a fag all you want
im not as big a fag as some on here haha!!

42s on the ph5 should be fairly lairy hopefully lol

10th December 2008, 21:35

ph5 im guessing are a solid grind cam, so will give a nice chirp from the lifters.

10th December 2008, 21:36

yea

10th December 2008, 21:40

better get building it then

Get the rods and pistons sorted and some good headwork

10th December 2008, 21:45

ill be building next year (dropping my cammed vts lump in my gti and rebuilding the gti lump so gotta swap em first (its on 152k

)

im gunna run wossner filed bottom end try n get a longmans jp4 (if thats the right one for the c2 head im useless with the numbers) head done to suit the ph5 n see what happens with the venveys

10th December 2008, 21:49

longmans be prepaired to pay through your arsehole.

espec as from memory richard doesnt deal with people direct unless its special circumstances.

JP4 is the new spec head yes, but why does it matter if its j4 or JP4 if you are having massive amounts of work done to suit the ph5s.

you will also need the inlet manifold for the jenveys ported to suit the cam profile and head work aswell. I had prices all specced up from QEP before they stopped building.

Sandy brown has some interesting opinions on longmans heads aswell, which make interesting readings on rallye reg.

10th December 2008, 21:50

well the jp4 has the bigger valves to start so its a little less work lol but really as you say no difference lol

im not on rallyreg so not seen that

might join up n have a read then n see

10th December 2008, 21:54

the spec of the heads though that are used use different valves anyway. I dont know the ones used in mine but from memory they are different to the JP4, which is why matt said if i was building from scratch theres no point in the JP4 as they both require the same amount of work and therefore money.

id personally use gmc for the headwork, GMC seem quite fairly priced and john despite beeing a moody old scotsman has built some of the best TU engines going imo.

10th December 2008, 21:57

yea gmc were second choice tbh as ive seen a lot of guys singing his praise

id have thought it would be a tad less to remove but yea far comment really might aswell not bother then lol

10th December 2008, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

yea gmc were second choice tbh as ive seen a lot of guys singing his praise

id have thought it would be a tad less to remove but yea far comment really might aswell not bother then lol

it depends on HOW much work is being done tbh, if the whole head is being stripped down, new valves being used, all of the inlet and exhaust ports being suited to the cam choice you have then in reality how much less work can be created.

JP4 heads have different valve springs etc...which is why people use the J4 springs in them often when camming them.

10th December 2008, 22:06

well yea lol itll be the lot tbh on a ph5 cause its such a mad cam
ah ill just keep the j4 head then lol

10th December 2008, 22:12

depends how cheap you can get a JP4 one for, but you can do the same work to both remember.

You need to get that 4k odd saved

10th December 2008, 22:15

more like 7k ryan
omex 600 aswell with a loom
pugsport sump
c2 covers (for the extra breater)
need a new manifold
balanced up crank
new flywheel

the list continues

10th December 2008, 22:16

7k lol!!

should just buy an engine mostly done.

pugsport baffled sumo isnt to much, nor are the JP4 covers.

Mine shall be going on soon (covers)

10th December 2008, 22:22

i like the satisfaction of thinking i did that lol
plus its a personal thing (long story)

all the little bits add up mate
im doing stuff like all new pumps ect
n getting a little rebore ect (just as i say its a 152k motor lol)

gunna be the longest bit of the build
ive gotta save about 6k for the chassis awell i rekon lmao
plus ive allready got a few parts lying about so theres about a grand of it allready aquired

10th December 2008, 22:25

running forged pistons most people oversise slightly anyway so honing of the bores is usually done.

10th December 2008, 22:26

yea im thinking more of a bore and oversize to get a true 1600cc haha

but yea its basically a standard build but me swapping all the stuff puts the price up a bit like

10th December 2008, 22:28

remeber bore walls are thin on the JP4, which is why people dont go for big oversises (damn fucked keyboard)

10th December 2008, 22:39

yea im not going super huge man
just up a bit (its 23cc lol so tbh its that mini skim they give to get the forges in)

wanna borrow my z key??

10th December 2008, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

wanna borrow my z key??

cock.

10th December 2008, 22:45

its a genuine offer i have a spare one lol
(i have 1 of them weird rubber foldy keyboards)

10th December 2008, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

its a genuine offer i have a spare one lol
(i have 1 of them weird rubber foldy keyboards)

its my laptop, a few keys no longer work.

10th December 2008, 22:48

ah yea my laptop has a couple dodgy keys

but is alt and f12 so it makes no difference

25th September 2011, 12:54

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Is this road legal then?

I plan on chopping or removing my dash but I know from kit card you're allowed no jagged bits???

25th September 2011, 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

that was going to be my nex reduction(spare wheel) my cars to low to remove anyway so ill need to jack up, but i was also going to cut cage off untill the other day my m8 told me that now its a legal requirement to have the cage left on for mot if it had 1 factory fitted, dont no how true it is? which is why i was going to ask? anyone else heard this? he said someone who done mmots for quickfit had told him?

quickshit

just have a can of tyre weld in your car blackie

25th September 2011, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuZiZZle

Is this road legal then?

I plan on chopping or removing my dash but I know from kit card you're allowed no jagged bits???[/QUOTE]

MEGA stripped

haha.. i like

25th September 2011, 14:59

Would rather hit air than a dashboard as a passenger, seems better to me, might not be legal though lol.