How much weight can you remove ?

2nd January 2009, 14:18

How much weight can sensibly & easily be removed from a vts . There is an equaution somewhere that each 20 kgs is worth in theequivalent of adding bhp.

Here is my guess.

Spare wheel = 10kg
rear seat = 7 kg
speakers x 2 = 2kg

rear seat belts = 4 kg

rear parcel shelf = 2 kg

total 25kg

anyone got anymore weight savers ?

2nd January 2009, 14:23

spare wheel cage
head liner
carpet
door cards
etc etc the list can go on have a look about on the site for a few of the track slags

2nd January 2009, 14:26

dash? probably wouldnt count that as 'sensible' though lol

2nd January 2009, 14:28

Heat shields under the car, biggest one is the sound deadening. If you can live with road noise then its well worth it. Ive literally got a dashboard and two buckets for an interior but compared to some of the other guys mines a heavyweight. Replacable parts like polycarb windows are the next stage

2nd January 2009, 15:15

carbon bonnets

2nd January 2009, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICK2506

carbon bonnets

and boots, wings, doors, seats lol

Going WELL into the thousands there tho

2nd January 2009, 15:47

polycarb will save you bout 10kg i think, maybe not even that

jon your from darlo right? mines totally stripped with just dash and bucket in at moment

personally wouldnt remove the heat shields, i know someone who had and the heat melted the fuel tank

2nd January 2009, 15:52

Only heat shield thats near the fuel tank isnt metal anyway its some kind of foil covered fabric which weighs fook all anyway so yeah its probably worth leaving it on. Mines off cus it was rotten. Ive fitted the centre section a fair way from the tank though and Ive got poly exhaust mounts so its all gravy. The others are worth removing though imo

2nd January 2009, 15:52

Things i can think of;

Carbon Bonnet
Fibreglass Boot
Polycarb Windows
Fibreglass Seats
Light exhaust
Cut any un needed metal or plastic
Decent steering wheel
Light Alloys
Smaller battery
Non sunroof roofskin

Then remove;

Everything behind the front seats
Headlining
Spare wheel
Heaters
Radio
Speakers
Carpet
Rear wiper + Motor
Air Bags & Air Bag ECU

And if your super hardcore get a cage welded in and spend a day destroying your chasis with an angle grinder

and buy lighter bolts.

2nd January 2009, 15:55

Heaters are overkill imo, I know theyre pretty hefty but if your frozen up you need heaters to demist

2nd January 2009, 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste

Things i can think of;

Carbon Bonnet
Fibreglass Boot
Polycarb Windows
Fibreglass Seats
Light exhaust
Cut any un needed metal or plastic
Decent steering wheel
Light Alloys
Smaller battery
Non sunroof roofskin

Then remove;

Everything behind the front seats
Headlining
Spare wheel
Heaters
Radio
Speakers
Carpet
Rear wiper

and motor

2nd January 2009, 16:03

fog lights

2nd January 2009, 16:15

If your feeling brave, have a word with Brad (Don) and let him show you some pics of his VTS. Angle grinders at the ready

2nd January 2009, 16:28

remove wheels FTW

2nd January 2009, 16:31

What is the actual stock weight of a VTS

2nd January 2009, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

What is the actual stock weight of a VTS

VTS = 935kg
VTR = 920kg

2nd January 2009, 16:42

the bonnet feals very heavy but whats the cheapest replacement ?

I reckon 100 kg would be feasable & liveable.

2nd January 2009, 16:45

You can get a Mk2 carbon one which weighs 6kg. Its £599. You can get a carbon tailgate which weighs 6kg and a carbon roof skin which weighs 4kg

2nd January 2009, 16:48

Think Bill had what is now Brads vts weighed at 750kg with some fuel...

2nd January 2009, 16:53

How much quicker does it actually make a vts when its fully stripped? I mean like 0-60 time etc, Specifications state it was 7.7 seconds at factory weight 935kg.

2nd January 2009, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by VtsTom

If your feeling brave, have a word with Brad (Don) and let him show you some pics of his VTS. Angle grinders at the ready

"Angle grinders at the ready" haha love it

2nd January 2009, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ant809099

How much quicker does it actually make a vts when its fully stripped? I mean like 0-60 time etc, Specifications state it was 7.7 seconds at factory weight 935kg.

my rough tests below

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=197120

2nd January 2009, 16:59

ccf on ebay

fg bonnet and boot for 260 iirc

2nd January 2009, 18:20

You can lose about 45Kg by ditching the spare wheel, cage, jack, rear bench, rear wiper assembley, parcel shelf and the sound deadning from the boot.

For each 10kg you lose is the same as adding 1Bhp with regards to power/weight. And it's free of course

2nd January 2009, 18:23

so you remove all of what youve wrote above for around 4.5bhp? i wouldnt bother stipping unless i planned on losing over 100kgs, losing like 30kgs isnt really that benificial is it.

2nd January 2009, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

so you remove all of what youve wrote above for around 4.5bhp? i wouldnt bother stipping unless i planned on losing over 100kgs, losing like 30kgs isnt really that benificial is it.

You obviously don't gain 4.5Bhp, but it adds 4.5Bhp to your power/weight ratio.

Stripping out some rear seats, a spare wheel and some other bits and bobs that really aren't necessary for the sake of improving handling, acceleration, de-acceleration and fuel economy at the cost of 30mins with a few spanners is most definetly worth it!

2nd January 2009, 18:53

but then there is the practicality aspect. like fairplay on a track car, but if you use it to commute every day then not having a spare wheel if you puntcure, not having rear seats for passengers, having a hell of alot of road noise in your car is not worth it for less than half a second difference in 0-60

2nd January 2009, 18:57

Gives you an exscuse not give people a lift which is a bonus cause my mates are tight as fuck and it gives you more space if you need it. Road noise isn't too bad at all. I've kept the carpet down and it's fine around town and upto about 60Mph it's fairly subtle.

Obviously everyone is different and there are pros and cons for stripped and standard but, in my opinion, if you don't need it, chuck it!

2nd January 2009, 19:02

ino it doesnt literally add bhp, and it improves handling, braking, mpg etc but its not really worth it unless your gonna lose 100kgs or more, as removing just a little bkit of weight wont make a worthwhile difference.

2nd January 2009, 19:04

Just try and see then

2nd January 2009, 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

ino it doesnt literally add bhp, and it improves handling, braking, mpg etc but its not really worth it unless your gonna lose 100kgs or more, as removing just a little bkit of weight wont make a worthwhile difference.

car feels alot more responsive also

you would be suprised at how it feels once you have stripped it

yes an every day car would be a pain, but then tyre weld and tell the passengers to fuck themselves, its your car

2nd January 2009, 19:33

people never see the benefits of stripping till theyve tryed it

hence i had a 1.1 that wasnt even tuned and kept with my mates vtr up to 60-65ish
cornered extremely well too
but had literally 1 seat and the dials zip tied to the steering column

stipping is the way if you want performance

im angle grinding a twat load off my vts before the cage goes in
carbon panels here and there (off kam hopefully)
polycarb windows
light seats ect
should keep it quickish (shame my cage is pretty heavy

)

2nd January 2009, 19:45

I can notice a big difference from zip fuel to a full tank, so can deffo see the benefits from removing everything that I dont need!

2nd January 2009, 20:10

all i have removed is the spare wheel ( well i never removed it really it never came with one lol ) and i just generally keep the car un cluttered, av got buckets in and they felt slightyl lighter before i fitted them to the old ones i took out. sooo i need to use my boot though and dont want to have coats etc sprawn on in the back, any suggestion to waht i can do?

2nd January 2009, 20:11

runs off to tind the piccy of me and pete picking my 1.1 up lol

tbh it makes a massive difference
but gotta get weight from the front too otherwise the corner weights go all over the place

i found putting stuff from the front into a stripped back (ie battery ect) kept the balance well
stuff like covers in the bay arent needed
id remover the scuttle plastics off the screen
had no fogs as it was a 1.1
id also removed a few bumper brackets ect

2nd January 2009, 20:59

Its not just the acceleration, I cant describe how much better the braking was, and even more impressively how nimble the car becomes, they turn in much much quicker. Only slight downside, at first, is the rear end becomes twitchy. But you get used to it

Actually one more slight downside is when its cold outside, its fucking freezing in a stripped out car

2nd January 2009, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

Its not just the acceleration, I cant describe how much better the braking was, and even more impressively how nimble the car becomes, they turn in much much quicker. Only slight downside, at first, is the rear end becomes twitchy. But you get used to it

Actually one more slight downside is when its cold outside, its fucking freezing in a stripped out car

don>t steip the heater then LOL,

2nd January 2009, 22:41

tbh stripped cars as a daily can get annoying

but they make good vans

thats the main reason i stripped my 1.1 at first
then decided to play with buts to find a good setup for me n stripped it to hell

2nd January 2009, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

car feels alot more responsive also

you would be suprised at how it feels once you have stripped it

yes an every day car would be a pain, but then tyre weld and tell the passengers to fuck themselves, its your car

yeah but if its 3 mint girls who want a lift home i wud rather be able to give them a lift and fuck them than tell them to go fuck themselves.

2nd January 2009, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICK2506

yeah but if its 3 mint girls who want a lift home i wud rather be able to give them a lift and fuck them than tell them to go fuck themselves.

hence a stripped track toy
and a daily with all the sets in it

2nd January 2009, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICK2506

yeah but if its 3 mint girls who want a lift home i wud rather be able to give them a lift and fuck them than tell them to go fuck themselves.

You might be more fortunate than I am but its more likely for me to have three or more drunk mates ring up and want a lift, I never get 4 AM wake up calls now lol

2nd January 2009, 23:24

im not rich lol
i think you are down to my e-stalking.
in another thread that i was posting in the other day it was you saying you replaced any possibly dodgy part. lol

2nd January 2009, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICK2506

yeah but if its 3 mint girls who want a lift home i wud rather be able to give them a lift and fuck them than tell them to go fuck themselves.

You wouldn't be lucky enough to get 3 mint birds in a shitty VTR anyway!

Aint no VTS is it

3rd January 2009, 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finchowned

You wouldn't be lucky enough to get 3 mint birds in a shitty VTR anyway!

Aint no VTS is it

lol

3rd January 2009, 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICK2506

yeah but if its 3 mint girls who want a lift home i wud rather be able to give them a lift and fuck them than tell them to go fuck themselves.

you get a cab and the party starts before you get home

3rd January 2009, 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finchowned

You wouldn't be lucky enough to get 3 mint birds in a shitty VTR anyway!

Aint no VTS is it

dont think girls will ask how many valves my car has....or have a look at the badge on the side.

but fair play

3rd January 2009, 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICK2506

dont think girls will ask how many valves my car has....or have a look at the badge on the side.

but fair play

3rd January 2009, 12:27

You can remove power steering, not sure weight saving though

3rd January 2009, 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo_ron

You can remove power steering, not sure weight saving though

lol dont think the save in weight would be worth struggling to go round corners!

Mite save you money on your gym membership at the same time though, you ever felt how heavy it is to drive a car thats meant to have pas without pas?!

3rd January 2009, 12:47

Once your moving it would be fine - supposed better feedback too

Moving all the power steering pump etc would save weight

Yes though going full lock when standing still would be a good workout lol

3rd January 2009, 12:48

its not much of a struggle without power steering just parking ect
some guys prefer the extra feel you get from it

theres shitloads you can remove tbh

beat to it

3rd January 2009, 13:02

If you fit a roll cage to keep it stiff you can take an angle grinder and a drill to it and shave off the kg's lol

17th January 2009, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

biggest one is the sound deadening. If you can live with road noise then its well worth it.

How do you remove the sound deadening?

ive stripped absolutely everything out of the back of my car and taken out the yellowish padding from behind the rear cards and by the rear lights that i assume is the sound deadening but it weighed f*ck all and people have said its realy heavy?

where abouts is the sound deadening located incase its hidden somewhere and ive missed it? or is what ive taken out the sound deadening?

17th January 2009, 18:31

on 13" slick, only one seat inside i have 790kg

and with 140,7PS i can run on 1/4mile for 14,12second
from Gtech 0-60 about 5,3second

17th January 2009, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny1979

on 13" slick, only one seat inside i have 790kg

and with 140,7PS i can run on 1/4mile for 14,12second
from Gtech 0-60 about 5,3second

nice one mate, do you know the answer to my question above then? assume you must of stripped alot out of your car to achieve that weight lol

17th January 2009, 19:31

HOW HEAVY ARE THOSE WHEELS!!

I have been trying to find out

17th January 2009, 20:00

ricksimmonds: what is the question? (please simply, I little speak english)

Jorge: TOORA have 7x16" about 7kg
( i want it sell complet with pirreli pzeronero 195/40/r16 for 750 € , they have only 4000km and 1/2year of use, tire have 80%)

17th January 2009, 20:02

Ive been offered a set of 15x6.5s for £140 and I am toying with the idea of them..

17th January 2009, 20:06

im 700kg with no fuel and one seat, beat that fuckers

17th January 2009, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by don55

im 700kg with no fuel and one seat, beat that fuckers

I think the only way to beat it would be to...

remove everything not required to make the car go forwards.

17th January 2009, 21:25

how have you managed 700kg?!

17th January 2009, 21:51

billsvts (lawrence) who had it was an insane cunt who just cut out anything.

so that inlcudes all wiring not needed, the inner door frames etc....

17th January 2009, 23:07

tbh unless I had a rather substacial cage I would be cautious about hacking a car
yea he cut the doors a bit
but I've seen a lot more removed from cars
just need to keep the structure stiff like

17th January 2009, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

tbh unless I had a rather substacial cage I would be cautious about hacking a car
yea he cut the doors a bit
but I've seen a lot more removed from cars
just need to keep the structure stiff like

couldnt of looked for a better answer imo, end of the day the cars are as durable as a coke can, you start cutting away at that and what are you left with

18th January 2009, 11:00

composite parts are the way to go for weight saving and sensibility. and they look good aswell.

18th January 2009, 11:16

stripped ftw, i certainly wouldnt cut panels inside the car unless i had like a 30 point cage and a protective bubble round the drivers seat

18th January 2009, 12:52

(goes looking for angle grinder)

18th January 2009, 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshB

(goes looking for angle grinder)

pmsl take a video lol

18th January 2009, 15:54

As one man once said, if it dont make it go, stop, or turn, get rid.

I'd say for a road car, consider the safety/legal/MOT aspects too.

Mines got the rear bench, door cards, parcel shelf, spare wheel, cage etc out, and it does seem a bit twitchy on the back, that I cant get used to, but it seems quicker than before.
Not too bad as a daily car, doesn't seem much colder IMO and a fine excuse not to give lifts.

18th January 2009, 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

how have you managed 700kg?!

as ryan said, not my work but the list is -

S2 Rallye Steels

Colway 185/55/14

Lowered 40mm on GMC springs

Cituning Upper strut brace

OMP Lower strut brace

Sparco 6 point roll cage fully welded in

Polyrace bushes on the front of the wishbones

Shenpar rear wishbone mounts

Polyrace rear beam mounts

Power flex front ARB mounts

Converted to Non PAS

Maxtorq group N discs

Mintex M1144 pads

Custom brake lines all round, rear pipes routed inside with adjustable bias valve.

Goodridge stainless braided hose kit

OMP Eco Bucket Seat

Sabelt 3 Point Harness

Ripspeed steering wheel (yes, ripspeed)

Standard Seats replaced with One bucket

Standard Seatbelts removed replaced with one harness

Steering Wheel replaced for lighter item (all airbag system inc wiring removed)

Plastic Trims removed

Door Cards removed

Sterio System removed

Arial removed

Carpet removed

Pedal Rubbers removed

Heater Matrix and Blower motor removed

Standard rad replaced with nissens aluminium rad

Dash removed

Sound Deadening removed

Rooflining removed

3rd Brakelight Removed

Firewall removed

Engine Side Sound Deadening removed

No 'not needed' engine plastics

Window washer bottle neck removed

Air box resonator replaced with direct ducting

Fog Lights & Wiring Removed

Rear Wiper Motor removed

Spare Wheel Cage removed

Windows replaced with Polycarbs, pop out brackets removed

Sunroof Ditched for aluminium Panel

Black crap from rear wheel arches removed

Electric Window Motors removed

No Alarm

No Immobiliser

No Remote Central Locking

All unused wires cut out, needed wires shortened where possible

Unused exhaust hanger removed

Black Strips from B pillars removed

Unused interior Brackets cut out

Unused interior bolts grinded off

Both Boot struts removed

De Framed Carbon/Fibre Glass Bonnet

No Bonnet Catch/Pull Cable

No Bonnet Hinges

Black plastic behind grill removed

Black plastic behind bumper mouth removed

Power steering pump/pipes/res removed

Power steering rack and column replaced with none PAS type

Inner Door Skins removed

Rear Washer jet and piping removed

Sound deadening from footwells removed

Bootskin chopped out

Rear polycarb screen fitted

Exhaust heat shields removed

ABS System removed including all brackets and bolts

Approximate weight before abs and PAS removed was 740 with half a tank. estimated 700kg now empty tank

18th January 2009, 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom

stripped ftw, i certainly wouldnt cut panels inside the car unless i had like a 30 point cage and a protective bubble round the drivers seat

you think that the inder door skin hold any rigidity to the car, or saftey factors.

i have a cage across the door, id have more bars but i dont want the extra weight

18th January 2009, 21:34

Holy Sh*t! thats what i called stripped! thought mine was on a diet! i was talking to alexvts about single skinning the S but was edged into keeping it as it was for safety even with a 6 point cage........ Angle grinder at the ready!

18th January 2009, 21:44

my home made dash

18th January 2009, 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by don55

you think that the inder door skin hold any rigidity to the car, or saftey factors.

i have a cage across the door, id have more bars but i dont want the extra weight

OK, now you're just showing off!

19th January 2009, 08:49

700kgs, that must be pretty fast, thats very light.

19th January 2009, 09:53

engine spec is

Full Spec:

Cat Cams 708's
Fully rebuilt head, new valve stem seals, camshaft oil seals, head gasket etc
Cat Cams 708's
BTB 4-1 manifold, coated in heatproof paint and fully wrapped
Peugeot Sport Group N Semi Rigid Engine mount kit
Custom De-Cat pipe
Ashley competition mild steel system
Nissens aluminium core radiator
K&N Panel filter, with custom direct air feed
I also replaced the water pump, idler pulley, tensioner pulley and cambelt

so yer its not to slow

19th January 2009, 10:14

wauh :-D inside comfortable like in Mercede SL

19th January 2009, 10:35

lap of luxury johny

19th January 2009, 10:52

That is amazing. Great work, whoever did it.

19th January 2009, 11:02

its up for sale in a few months as im going traveling.