Green Enclosed VS. Standard with Panel filter

1. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #1 31st January 2009, 17:06

   Have just fitted a green enclosed kit, and is so much worse than the standard airbox with a green panel filter.
   
   With the green enclosed, it just didn't feel as sharp - car just felt a bit sluggish from low in the revs. At high revs it just felt like it was finding it was holding back. Also, wasn't much louder either - could just hear the noise from the group n mounts as usual.
   
   Put my standard airbox back on and things are much better - just a recommendation for people really:
   
   IMO a better mod is to put a panel filter in, and remove the ducting after the airbox, maybe set up a cold air feed for the standard airbox. Also, much cheaper !
2. Matty-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR

   #2 31st January 2009, 17:24

   http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...=174366&page=2
3. DanT Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 P'boro Posts: 1619 R27 Clio

   #3 31st January 2009, 17:28

   Panel filter ftw mate!
   
   Also look up a company if you havent heard of them called ITG. They do a panel filter for the saxo which is supposed to be very good.
   
   Quite expensive too.
4. DanT Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 P'boro Posts: 1619 R27 Clio

   #4 31st January 2009, 17:30

   http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/IT...ex.html?page=2
5. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

   #5 31st January 2009, 17:33

   The best air intake mod ive done is just remove the pipe which goes from the bend in the air scoop to the airbox, makes it sound like there is an induction kit on and also improves the air flow a little. Im going to replace the panel filter with a green one soon also
6. DanT Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 P'boro Posts: 1619 R27 Clio

   #6 31st January 2009, 17:39

   I have a green cotton one in mine too, seems to be pretty good.
7. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #7 31st January 2009, 18:29

   Yeh, I've got a green panel filter in my standard airbox and it seems to be the best set-up for the price.
   
   I've fitted a few induction kits, BMC, green enclosed and this seems the best performance to be honest!
   
   Am going for bodie's soon so won't matter as much!
8. Gooner_VTR Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Saxo VTR 1.6 8V

   #8 5th February 2009, 21:09

   Hi guys, I'm planning on trying the standard air box with Green Panel filter, but could someone explain the modifications I need to make to the standard air box to get the most out of it?
   
   Obvs I just straight swap the panel filter but do I need to rig up a new cold air feed system or drill the box or whatever? Any info would great. Also has anyone tried this method before and what worked best for you?
   
   Cheers
9. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #9 5th February 2009, 21:24

   I'm sure I just answered this http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=194171
   
   ???? why post it again !?
10. Gooner_VTR Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Saxo VTR 1.6 8V

    #10 5th February 2009, 21:27

    Yeh sorry about that I wasn't sure which 1 was a more appropriate thread so I figured I'd just post in both lol.
11. AlexR Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2004 Kunt & Sorrey Posts: 5763 Rep mobiles & Joes ma

    #11 5th February 2009, 21:34

    Not so sure. Definitely pulls better high in the revs, and sounds a LOT better. Trust me i've had 4 green encloseds, and run standard airbox in so many different configs. The standard airbox feels a bit more responsive at low revs. Rolling road readouts showed VTSs with greens to be the most powerful of our groups.
12. pjm300 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2005 Potters Bar United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2749 T/B'd VTS

    #12 5th February 2009, 21:36

    agreed with the fagman
    
    *waves*
13. AlexR Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2004 Kunt & Sorrey Posts: 5763 Rep mobiles & Joes ma

    #13 5th February 2009, 21:37

    Homosexuale!
    
    Get your minge over to dehs
14. pjm300 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2005 Potters Bar United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2749 T/B'd VTS

    #14 5th February 2009, 21:38

    no, id rather not ta
15. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #15 5th February 2009, 21:40

    no great loss
    
    xxx
16. Gooner_VTR Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Saxo VTR 1.6 8V

    #16 5th February 2009, 21:42

    Cheers Alex, is that the same for both VTR's and VTS' cus I've got a VTR so don't wanna cause any confusion!
    
    Also what I really want is more response in the lower revs cus I'm quite happy with how my VTR pulls in the higher revs I would just like a bit more response around 2500 RPM....what would be best for this?
    
    If the the standard air box and pipe could be made less restrictive then surely this would be a worthwhile mod, because the standard air box is supposedly very resistant to heatsoak....and at the end of the day isn't the most important issue, keeping the air 'cold'?
17. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #17 5th February 2009, 21:46

    A supercharger would help it pull from 2500rpm!
    
    I'd fit a panel filter to your airbox, then remove the piping leading upto the airbox and replace it with a cold air feed. Will be a good mod.
    
    Pretty much anything near the engine is got to get hot, I wouldn't worry bout it, you're not talking huge bhp gains or losses.
18. Gooner_VTR Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Saxo VTR 1.6 8V

    #18 5th February 2009, 21:51

    Ok cheers raunchz, I think that will be my plan. I'll let you know how it goes when its done, and then maybe we can discuss superchargers!
19. user_26890 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Stoke-On-Trent Posts: 787 Saxo VTR MK2

    #19 6th February 2009, 12:58

    is replacing the standard pipe with a cold air feed going to give any bhp?
20. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #20 6th February 2009, 13:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tommyhine5 is replacing the standard pipe with a cold air feed going to give any bhp?

    personally I think there is too much of a pressure drop upstream of the airbox due to the number of bends... So I'm planning on a replacement panel filter then with a straight feed to the air box.
    
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21. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #21 6th February 2009, 13:04

    not really but certainly a better source of cooler cleaner air
22. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #22 6th February 2009, 13:17

    Fundamental fluid dynamics tommy... more bends, diameter changes and longer pipes result in pressure drops.
23. GTiGuy Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 8

    #23 6th February 2009, 23:21

    I was always led to believe the raceland enclosed with green filter was the best set up?
24. finegunit Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Lancashire Posts: 502 51 Plate Saxo VTR in Icelandic Grey

    #24 6th February 2009, 23:31

    Ive got the green panal filter.
    I think i will try a cold air feed to it though, like mentioned.
    Cant fault it as is though, for the price.
25. vtcarl Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 telford, shropshire Posts: 968 E86 Z4 3.0 si coupe

    #25 7th February 2009, 10:23

    i used both these setups on my vtr and for me the green enclosed is just that little better on response, but for the money the oe set up with the oe pipe work removed and a cold air feed in its place is nearly as good. i used some pipe work form an ax gt so that the resinator box was removed, but that works on the 90bhp vtr's as the later ones ran different airboxes. i now use the green as im happy with the way it works with the other mods.
26. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #26 7th February 2009, 10:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GTiGuy I was always led to believe the raceland enclosed with green filter was the best set up?

    the raceland / simota / green enclosed all perform in the same way and get similar gains. The main differences are in price and the quality of the supplied filters
27. Gooner_VTR Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Saxo VTR 1.6 8V

    #27 17th February 2009, 19:24

    Hi, guys if I'm gonna rig up my own cold air feed, what size diameter, ducting do you think I will need? Am I right in thinking, that too small and not enough cold air will get in and too large and pressure will be lost?
    Also what is the best material for my cold air feed? Thanks in advance...
28. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #28 17th February 2009, 19:32

    At the end of the day the Std airbox design is gona pretty much optimal for the Std engine..
    
    Citroen probably spent alot of money and time developing the std induction system to be spot on..Replacement panel filter is what you want..ITG gets my vote..
29. Gooner_VTR Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Saxo VTR 1.6 8V

    #29 17th February 2009, 19:38

    I'm replacing the standard filter with the Green Panel filter (straight swap into the air box). However it is the restrictive piping and resonator box which I plan to remove and replace with a direct cold air feed. What I would like to know please is what size diamter ducting is the best?? And material?
30. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #30 17th February 2009, 19:45

    You wont gain anything i dont think by doing that though mate..
31. SaxoFurio1988 Established Member Joined: Apr 2007 Rhondda Posts: 1774 Saxo Furio

    #31 17th February 2009, 20:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gooner_VTR I'm replacing the standard filter with the Green Panel filter (straight swap into the air box). However it is the restrictive piping and resonator box which I plan to remove and replace with a direct cold air feed. What I would like to know please is what size diamter ducting is the best?? And material?

    I think it'll be 55mm. Double check and go measure! lol.
    
    Just any cold air feed will do the job mate. Go on ebay and type in cold air feed.
    
    A
32. Gooner_VTR Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Saxo VTR 1.6 8V

    #32 18th February 2009, 22:02

    Cheers mate, I'll check in the morning.
33. Gooner_VTR Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Saxo VTR 1.6 8V

    #33 23rd February 2009, 20:53

    Ebay isn't showing any 55mm cold air feeds does anyone know what the exact size is to fit onto the standard airbox instead of the standard piping?
34. Saxo_Steve Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Prestwick Posts: 952 Saxo VTR mk2

    #34 25th February 2009, 23:04

    Does anyone have a pic of a standard air box with a cold air feed? I'm planning to do this but I'm not sure what to do with the hole for the resonator box... does this get plugged or something?
35. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

    #35 26th February 2009, 00:51

    Got my VTS running a K&N panel filter which actualy produced more power than the ITG in back to back tests: http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ad.php?t=20216
    
    And i've just got a cold air feed running from the standard aibox to the scoop in the front. Works rather well!
36. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #36 26th February 2009, 08:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finchowned Got my VTS running a K&N panel filter which actualy produced more power than the ITG in back to back tests: http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ad.php?t=20216 And i've just got a cold air feed running from the standard aibox to the scoop in the front. Works rather well!

    ppppppiiiicccsssss
37. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

    #37 26th February 2009, 17:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adsayer ppppppiiiicccsssss

    Seeing as you asked so nicely:
    
    
    
    Full of bodge.
38. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #38 26th February 2009, 17:06

    Hmm, racelands going when I get my lump in then
39. ryhornvtr Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2005 norwich United Kingdom (England) Posts: 821 2003 posi VTS

    #39 26th February 2009, 17:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finchowned Got my VTS running a K&N panel filter which actualy produced more power than the ITG in back to back tests: http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ad.php?t=20216 And i've just got a cold air feed running from the standard aibox to the scoop in the front. Works rather well!

    Same here.
    
    I also ran mine without a cold air feed for a while, was shit, bogged down and sounded crap. With a cold air feed to it its much better.
40. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #40 26th February 2009, 19:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AlexR Not so sure. Definitely pulls better high in the revs, and sounds a LOT better. Trust me i've had 4 green encloseds, and run standard airbox in so many different configs. The standard airbox feels a bit more responsive at low revs. Rolling road readouts showed VTSs with greens to be the most powerful of our groups.

    Green panel or green enclosed?
41. Saxo_Steve Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Prestwick Posts: 952 Saxo VTR mk2

    #41 26th February 2009, 23:47

    Any pics of a cold air feed in a vtr?
42. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #42 27th February 2009, 03:53

    It'll be the same as the picture posted but with a vtr airbox.
43. Saxo_Steve Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Prestwick Posts: 952 Saxo VTR mk2

    #43 27th February 2009, 13:47

    So with the vtr air box there would be an extra hole if the resonator box is taken away, what happens with this hole? Does it get plugged or left open?
44. user_27223 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Northern Ireland Posts: 282 Just got a Black 2001 Saxo VTR!

    #44 22nd April 2009, 15:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DJDannyB The best air intake mod ive done is just remove the pipe which goes from the bend in the air scoop to the airbox, makes it sound like there is an induction kit on and also improves the air flow a little. Im going to replace the panel filter with a green one soon also

    I just done that yesterday! Love the noise it makes now, very throaty!
    Hopefully replacing my filter with a Green Panel Filter soon aswell!
    Also going to invest in a cold air feed.
    Would anyone like to enlighten me on how to derestrict the standard airbox?
    
    Ben
45. user_27150 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Glasgow Posts: 1452 Saxo VTR

    #45 22nd April 2009, 16:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo_steve any pics of a cold air feed in a vtr?

    +1