finally fitted my new brakes

16th March 2009, 18:22

ive finally got my new 266mm set up on under my vtr wheels which i was told would fit no problem and guess what......they dont

. the caliper (not the carrier) is catching the inside of the rim, o and the front brakes are stuck on and no resistance in the pedal OMFG what a pain in the arse. anyone got any ideas why the calipers are stuck on and catching the wheel?

16th March 2009, 18:55

What calipers have you got as my 266mm cleared my vtr easily.

they are stuck on? I'd look to get them removed, and then take the piston out/grease the sliders - go from there. Might be better to buy a rebuild kit and rebuild them.

16th March 2009, 18:57

Can u move the piston in and out?
What hoses are you useing?
Did fluid pass through easily when bleeding them?

16th March 2009, 18:58

is it not catching on just the wieghts?

happened to me with my gti-6's

also has the bit on the caliper that needs grinding been grinded?

16th March 2009, 21:30

ive got bosch 54 calipers off a 206 2.0 GTi
im using exact braided brake lines
the pistons moved in ok to put the new pads in
and they are catching all the way round on the inside of the rim leavin a mark
im gonna take the calipers off tomorrow have a look at them, bleed the system again to see if thats why my pedal goes to the floor, if not ive got a few people i can call

Raunchz how much would that rebuild kit cost? i really dont want to spend any more than i have to cause the set up has cost me £300 already.

Frankie, i was told that nothing will need grinding off the bosch 54 calipers, if anything did need grinding it would be the carrier and its definatly the caliper that is scraping the wheel

16th March 2009, 21:32

you paid £300?

i hope everything was brand new for that price.

16th March 2009, 21:33

yeh it was except the calipers obviously

16th March 2009, 21:36

i belive you can get new caliper for £80...

have you ground the bit off the caliper?

16th March 2009, 21:39

well i bought my pair of calipers for £50 and everyone i spoke to said that you dont have to grind anything but whats this part and ill have a look tomoz when i get the wheels off

16th March 2009, 22:06

The only bit needed to be ground down is on the back of the calipers. If the calipers bolt onto the strut there's no grinding needed.

How'd you know the brakes are rubbing? Have you driven with them and used them on the road yet? Might want to grease the sliders up, is easy to do. Rebuild kit is around £50 iirc.

£300?! That's the price of some 2nd hand 4 pots.

16th March 2009, 22:11

the car barely moves thats how i know they are permantly on o and when you take the wheel off with brakes off the disc doesnt move, when you do get it moving as soon as you let off the gas then you basically do an emergency stop cause of the brakes being on.
i bought it all from kam: maxtorq group N front and rear discs, mintex pads all round, exact braided lines, carbone lorraine brake fluid, and the the cost of the calipers i think it came to £280-290

16th March 2009, 22:11

Just re-read what you said, have you bled them properly? And tightened them up properly as the pedal would go to the floor if there was a leak.

16th March 2009, 22:12

yeh i did bleed them properly but will do it again tomorrow

16th March 2009, 22:12

Have you pushed the pistons back in all the way? So that with it bolted up the disc spins freely? Then when you push the pedal, what happens?

16th March 2009, 22:15

yeh im sure i pushed piston back all the way but im gonna get the off again tomorrow and see what happens i just gonna do it all over but with out disconnecting the lines from the caliper as i have no more fluid lol

16th March 2009, 22:15

Well check the hoses!
Your useing standerd length hoses which i told you would be too short!
Its not hard to realise that useing a disk which pushes the caliper further out,then add on a bigger caliper means standerd lines are too short!
Turning to full lock can damage the hoses!
If your caliper is stuck on id suggest internaly the hose is damged and so not letting fluid return
afaik kam havent even approched exact about custom lines let alone orderd any.

16th March 2009, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by swampy

Well check the hoses!
Your useing standerd length hoses which i told you would be too short!
Its not hard to realise that useing a disk which pushes the caliper further out,then add on a bigger caliper means standerd lines are too short!
Turning to full lock can damage the hoses!
If your caliper is stuck on id suggest internaly the hose is damged and so not letting fluid return
afaik kam havent even approched exact about custom lines let alone orderd any.

well ive spoke to many people and so have kam about running standard length hoses and no-one has had a problem with them, the problem as i see it is with the calipers

16th March 2009, 22:18

With the pistons pushed back the disc should spin freely.

Something doesn't quite sound right tbh. I'd definately get more fluid to bleed them again, and make sure everything is done up tight with no leaks.

16th March 2009, 22:20

yeh thats what im gonna do i mean ive got a bit left from earlier so hopefully that will do, ive just got to be carefull bout tightening up the bleed nipples as i dont have the correct type of spanner, i have the correct ize but its not 1 designed specificaly for the job, however i did tighten every bleed nipple upto if not more than where they were before, that includes the backs which i havent replaced the calipers so they should be sound

16th March 2009, 22:22

Well it doesn't solve the problem of the calipers hitting your wheel and the brake pedal hitting the floor ......

16th March 2009, 22:25

Well think about what has being said above!
The position of the hose on these calipers is some 20-30 mm further out than standerd!
The standerd lines are made to a budget and to do a specific job,gone are the days when over engineering was the norm with car companies!
Brakes aint sumthing to take a risk with!just because u cant see a problem with a line due to it being kinkd or over streatchd doesnt mean there isnt one!

16th March 2009, 22:25

that it doesnt but when i take the wheel off i will see where they are catching the caliper and that can be sorted then so 1 more problem down lol im hopin that there is some air somewhere in the system somehow which is why my pdeal is hitting the floor, but nothing is gonna happen till tomorrow night when i get back from work so will let you all know how i get on, thanks for all the suggestions about what it could be or what to do should be a big help tomorrow

16th March 2009, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by swampy

Well think about what has being said above!
The position of the hose on these calipers is some 20-30 mm further out than standerd!
The standerd lines are made to a budget and to do a specific job,gone are the days when over engineering was the norm with car companies!
Brakes aint sumthing to take a risk with!just because u cant see a problem with a line due to it being kinkd or over streatchd doesnt mean there isnt one!

but they arent kinked or over stretched there is still plenty of play in the line so i cant see where the problem with using them is if i was goin for a 283mm set up i prob would have ordered some custom hoses

16th March 2009, 22:42

What pressure was the tyre at when u used the ezi bleed?
As it fairly critical the correct one is used! Too much and it can damage the mc!
Did the reservoir on the eb run low on fluid as that can let unwantd air in to the lines!

16th March 2009, 22:47

nope the level in the bottle didnt drop below the recommened level, i dont know what the MC is? and the tyre was definatly not over 20psi which they recommend its not, when it comes to brakes i follow the instructions very carefully

16th March 2009, 23:42

what about a 3mm-5mm spacer kit for the front?

16th March 2009, 23:46

are you sure there the correct disks for them calipers then as some have a different offset...

17th March 2009, 01:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by baker556

are you sure there the correct disks for them calipers then as some have a different offset...

Exactly what I was thinking

17th March 2009, 07:42

yep they are cause i got the calipers off a normal 206 2.0 GTi and i bought discs for a 20 2.0 GTi of Kam racing

17th March 2009, 20:23

Have been trying to work out a solution this evening...

Had a brainwave....... there are 2 versions of disk available for the 206

What year was the car made? I'm guessing you have early model ones that require a 20.4mm thickness of disk. The later model requires a 22mm disk which is what you purchased

17th March 2009, 22:57

well ive taken the picture to show you the problem will label it up to show you the problem that i told you about and get it emailed straight away and will call the guy i bought the calipers off tomorrow to find out the year of the car

18th March 2009, 13:03

just to update.. It was an early model caliper requiring the thinner disk

18th March 2009, 16:26

will let everyone know if my new discs work tomorrow night when i get them fitted, fingers crossed they do

19th March 2009, 18:38

so to clarify did you have to grind?