lowering new problem torsion bar seized

1. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

   #1 28th March 2009, 12:13

   problem back left side the t40 torx bolt that holds the tortion bar wont budge if keep trying hard the bolt might round off.
   
   help please asap
2. s3axo L-plater Joined: Dec 2007 Sheffield England Posts: 90 Citroen Saxo 1.4i, 1.6i Citroen C2 VTS Seat Ibiz

   #2 28th March 2009, 12:35

   try a impact driver hopefully will release it
3. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

   #3 28th March 2009, 13:24

   Soak it in wd40 then go hav ea cupper for half an hour
   
   Matt.
4. DanT Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 P'boro Posts: 1619 R27 Clio

   #4 28th March 2009, 13:47

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MiniGibbo Soak it in wd40 then go hav ea cupper for half an hour Matt.

   if only it was actually going to be that simple lol
5. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

   #5 29th March 2009, 00:01

   Got a dremmel??
   
   Edit: the above is a serious question
6. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

   #6 29th March 2009, 12:39

   Right day 2 of lowering the Saxo the front is done 60mm even though I thought they were 40mm springs cheers jord LOL but now the torsion bar is siezed any ideas?
   
   Cheers
7. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

   #7 29th March 2009, 12:40

   heat it with a blowtorch, then try it
8. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

   #8 29th March 2009, 12:43

   also look here and here..
   
   amazing what you can find on google
9. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

   #9 29th March 2009, 13:16

   Right tried blowtourch slide hammer wd40 and it will not budge it's annoying any other help
10. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

    #10 29th March 2009, 13:34

    google how to unseize torsion bar, see what comes up..
11. user_27909 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 152 MK2 vtr saxo in silver

    #11 29th March 2009, 15:52

    ive always said this but the seized bolts really sort out the ability of most (no offence intended)
    
    heat only works from a proper set of industrial burners.. those little £30 propane torches are a waste of time.
    
    for the type of bolt in the tosrion bar i find a chisel (sp?) is good! you can really get a good slap at it and the shock from the hammer helps to free the rust thats holding it in in the first place.
    
    edit: also, its best to replace the bolt you have had the chisel at.. sometimes one or 2 slaps with a hammer free's it and you might get away with using it again.
    
    Trevor
12. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #12 29th March 2009, 16:57

    get an impact driver, put your t40 on the end and bray it with a hammer, the impact/ratcheting motion gets them unstuck. ive never had a beam i couldnt get apart.
13. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

    #13 29th March 2009, 23:36

    thats good for the torx t40 bolt but them torsion would not slide out no mateer what we did
14. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

    #14 29th March 2009, 23:49

    have you got a slide hammer sean? you need one to get the beam out...
    
    be careful driving about if you've only got the front lowered, it'll be dodgy
15. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

    #15 29th March 2009, 23:55

    i know special cos the front is like 50 or 60 lol and i cant think or other ways to do the back would take the whole axle off make it easier
16. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

    #16 29th March 2009, 23:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Master_VTR i know special cos the front is like 50 or 60 lol and i cant think or other ways to do the back would take the whole axle off make it easier

    the springs Jord sold you were -50mm, and like I said, get hold of a slide hammer then give it some welly...
17. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

    #17 30th March 2009, 00:02

    sorry mate yea i got a slide hammer non stop for 2 hours today with constant wd40 wouldnt budge mate ppl say taking the whole axle of can make it easier
18. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

    #18 30th March 2009, 00:03

    lol this is why I said get Nick to do it...
19. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

    #19 30th March 2009, 00:05

    how much would he charge just to lower back 60 or 70
20. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

    #20 30th March 2009, 00:10

    I'll text him and ask tomorrow
21. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

    #21 30th March 2009, 00:11

    cheers mate
22. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #22 30th March 2009, 08:55

    use a big hammer, there is no such thing as a seized torsion bar.
    just being giving it enough shit.
23. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #23 30th March 2009, 10:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts use a big hammer, there is no such thing as a seized torsion bar. just being giving it enough shit.

    Agreed
    
    It depends entirely on which method of torsion bar extraction that you use.
    
    Socket method or slide hammer to be fair are not very effective. You might get lucky and have relatively free bars (rare) in which case they would work ok,
    but for the stiffer bars you have to look at a good bar and a large hammer to do the work for you which to date has never failed (touches wood)
24. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #24 30th March 2009, 10:42

    bit of a random one
    you say youve took the t40s out
    what about the washers??
    
    youve not mentioed them
25. baker556 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 127.0.0.1 Posts: 4826 oem+ sax

    #25 30th March 2009, 10:45

    i knew this thread was coming up mate lol
    
    just keep on at it !
26. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #26 30th March 2009, 10:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS what about the washers?? youve not mentioed them

    The washers in my opinion can be the trickiest and fiddliest part of torsion bar lowering. Bolts are the easy bit.
27. user_31895 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 Milton Keynes Posts: 601 Polar white VTS Fixed for the 2nd time!

    #27 30th March 2009, 12:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS bit of a random one you say youve took the t40s out what about the washers?? youve not mentioed them

    good point!!!
28. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #28 30th March 2009, 14:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willsy The washers in my opinion can be the trickiest and fiddliest part of torsion bar lowering. Bolts are the easy bit.

    yep, washers can take the longest part of the process sometimes. i have a bar that is just smaller than the minor diameter of the splines, i use that and a good hammer to get them out.
29. user_27909 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 152 MK2 vtr saxo in silver

    #29 30th March 2009, 15:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts yep, washers can take the longest part of the process sometimes. i have a bar that is just smaller than the minor diameter of the splines, i use that and a good hammer to get them out.

    that makes 2 of us, i machined up a nice piece in the lathe to hammer on. never failed to let me down. in saying that i was at one on saturday and it took me a hell of a time toget it free even with a dam big hammer!
    
    Trevor
30. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

    #30 30th March 2009, 18:08

    yea at first forgot about off centred washer but they came out with some wd40 so come out with ease so if i get the rear axle off and support it properly will it make it easier with a big sledge hammer and strong bar????
31. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

    #31 30th March 2009, 18:10

    sean did you get my text earlier? Nick said 100
32. Master_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Kent, Isle of Sheppey Posts: 371 Silver Saxo VTR, My Feet Running 230bhp :D

    #32 30th March 2009, 18:15

    yea man cheers if i take the axle off and try, if it still dont budge i will debate weather to pay 100 pounds to nick or pay 100 to buy an already lowered rear axle lol