16v Engine Conversion

1. jam2008 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Sheffield Posts: 873

   #1 8th April 2009, 02:49

   Thinking of buying a 106 xsi and putting a 16v engine in.
   It is possible to use the 1.4 xsi box?
   What is required for the conversion?
   
   Suppose this would be the same as putting a VTS engine in a VTR
   Any help would be great
   
   Thanks, Tom
2. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #2 8th April 2009, 07:52

   it is possible to use the xsi box. that would a very very good box for acceleration.
   
   you would need engine, ecu, loom, possibly the internal loom. you would need a 106gti loom rather than a vts to aid the wiring process
   
   would be a good idea to upgrade the suspension and brakes
3. MR_N Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Fareham Posts: 3029 Saxo VTR

   #3 8th April 2009, 07:58

   Only real problem you could have is getting the loom and ecu right as with the saxo if you got an engine which was the same year as the original most things would fit. But the XSi is a bit older. Im wanting to do this to atm (can get one for £200) but parents say we have no room at the house.
   I believe that it sits straight in the bay on the original mounts, no cutting and shutting required. Im 99% sure you can use the 1.4 box as some people tend to fit these to vts's as the gear ratio's lean towards better acceleration.
   For the conversion id get the engine and gearbox coupled together and extremely serviced so you know its all good, upgrade any parts you can while the engine is out to make life easier. Im not clued up on ecu's but im guessing an unlocked ecu will work or some sort of after market one.
   
   Dont forget the brakes and suspension though, When i finaly get mine ill be stripping it to the max then fitting cage/very good suspension and 4 pots before touching the engine. Oh and dont forget to replace bushes aswell.
4. AlexN Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Swindon Posts: 1054 VTR, EP3, S2000

   #4 8th April 2009, 10:57

   plans sound good
   
   you can use then same box to
   
   have a look on 106 owners and RR im pretty sure theres a few xsi 16v's about
   maybe ask them for advice
5. jam2008 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Sheffield Posts: 873

   #5 8th April 2009, 13:28

   Thanks for the advice so far, been great
   
   Putting the engine in etc isnt really a problem it is just the wiring an ECU that confuses me.
   Any more info on this from first hand experience?
6. jam2008 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Sheffield Posts: 873

   #6 9th April 2009, 19:43

   Any more info on the wiring?
7. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #7 9th April 2009, 20:50

   single plug 97 gti loom goes straight onto the xsi job done
8. 106xsi16v Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 3

   #8 2nd September 2010, 17:31

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom single plug 97 gti loom goes straight onto the xsi job done

   when u say 1997 106 gti loom goes into a xsi is that any xsi ??
9. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #9 2nd September 2010, 18:21

   In my experience yes
10. 106xsi16v Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 3

    #10 5th September 2010, 16:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom single plug 97 gti loom goes straight onto the xsi job done

    
    any xsi ?
11. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #11 5th September 2010, 16:43

    read up???^^^^
12. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #12 5th September 2010, 17:23

    Not sure I'd the s1 Xsi is the same, I can wire a vts to Xsi if requires though
13. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #13 24th May 2016, 12:05

    hello guys, I also try, wiring for converting from s1 1.3 rally in 16v. can you give me a hand?