vts to 172bhp

1. stephen34 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)

   #1 18th April 2009, 02:58

   could u get a vts to 172 bhp at the wheels with cams and alot of work to the engine inside and with out one of the big 3 tbs ,turbo, or supercharging and is there any way to prove some one is fake for not having 172bhp
   
   is there a nice person on here that would take me for a drive in a saxo running at 180bhp ?
   
   thx guys
2. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #2 18th April 2009, 03:12

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stephen34 could u get a vts to 172 bhp at the wheels with cams and alot of work to the engine inside and with out one of the big 3 tbs ,turbo, or supercharging and is there any way to prove some one is fake for not having 172bhp is there a nice person on here that would take me for a drive in a saxo running at 180bhp ? thx guys

   To get 172bhp, you will need TBs.
   
   And why such a precise figure?
3. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #3 18th April 2009, 03:14

   I think you'll be pushed to get 172bhp at the wheels with TBs.
   
   I think that it's only possible on a NA spec with nitrous
4. stephen34 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)

   #4 18th April 2009, 03:14

   he thinks it has been on the rolling road lol
5. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #5 18th April 2009, 03:17

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by raunchz I think you'll be pushed to get 172bhp at the wheels with TBs. I think that it's only possible on a NA spec with nitrous

   No, the saxo S1600 has 220bhp N/A without nitrous, and a few other have over 200bhp N/A and dont have nitrous either.
   
   
   
   Your mate is talking through his arse TBH
   
   he thinks he has 172bhp, with what? cams and breathing mods? no chance mate.
6. stephen34 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)

   #6 18th April 2009, 03:29

   thats what i thought my m8 i work with has a 106gti with 10grand under the hood and he is running at 180bhp though tbs
7. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #7 18th April 2009, 03:29

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stephen34 thats what i thought my m8 i work with has a 106gti with 10grand under the hood and he is running at 180bhp though tbs

   With £10,000 you could get a lot more than 180bhp. I think your mate at work is lying about how much he has spent on is engine personally.
8. Aly Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2007 Sunderland Posts: 10341

   #8 18th April 2009, 06:06

   Ryan's is like 190bhp isn't it?
9. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #9 18th April 2009, 06:41

   AT THE FLY AND AT THE WHEELS bhp figures are different!
10. Matty-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR

    #10 18th April 2009, 07:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stephen34 thats what i thought my m8 i work with has a 106gti with 10grand under the hood and he is running at 180bhp though tbs

    LOL !
11. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #11 18th April 2009, 08:27

    IMO at the fly figures are bullshit, people either need to start using at the wheels figures or stfu.
12. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #12 18th April 2009, 09:36

    Firstly:-
    
    Only on the longman 210ish bhp TU's will you get around 172 @ the wheels, and your mates bank account will 100% know if he has 210bhp under the bonnet!!
    
    Secondly:-
    
    You would never get anywhere near 210bh without tb's / turbo / supercharger on a TU engine.
13. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #13 18th April 2009, 09:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 No, the saxo S1600 has 220bhp N/A without nitrous, and a few other have over 200bhp N/A and dont have nitrous either. Your mate is talking through his arse TBH he thinks he has 172bhp, with what? cams and breathing mods? no chance mate.

    Your 16 stfu, i think raunchz knows more than you.
    
    And the s1600 had 209bhp at 8500rpm not classified at the wheels or fly.. not forgetting to achieve that power the engine was rebuilt after every race and would probably blow up if you were using it for anything else apart from track days..
14. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #14 18th April 2009, 09:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 No, the saxo S1600 has 220bhp N/A without nitrous, and a few other have over 200bhp N/A and dont have nitrous either. Your mate is talking through his arse TBH he thinks he has 172bhp, with what? cams and breathing mods? no chance mate.

    You have to distinguish between @the wheels and @the fly figures.
    
    Just looed at the formula of going between fly and wheels figures and the 200+bhp @fly cars will have around 170bhp@ the wheels.
15. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #15 18th April 2009, 09:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo Your 16 stfu, i think raunchz knows more than you.

    I wouldn't say I know a lot - but I just know to search and read things before starting the normal engine conversion thread etc.
    
    Everyone has to learn, but if you use your common sense you can learn quicker - pretty much everything you need to know is on here if you search and look through past threads!
16. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #16 18th April 2009, 09:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz I wouldn't say I know a lot - but I just know to search and read things before starting the normal engine conversion thread etc. Everyone has to learn, but if you use your common sense you can learn quicker - pretty much everything you need to know is on here if you search and look through past threads!

    Well if i needed help you would come to mind as somone to ask as you seem to know what your talking about
17. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #17 18th April 2009, 10:05

    lol
18. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #18 18th April 2009, 12:03

    I could be mean and say i spent just over £500 to reach 200hp but that wouldnt be nice would it
    
    Matt.
19. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #19 18th April 2009, 12:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo And the s1600 had 209bhp at 8500rpm not classified at the wheels or fly.. not forgetting to achieve that power the engine was rebuilt after every race and would probably blow up if you were using it for anything else apart from track days..

    the peugeot 106 maxi got higher figures still from the 16v tu... (those figures are flywheel ones).
    
    Regarding the OP the way to prove power is using an engine dyno. If it was a big budget build then it would usually have been run on one. Race spec engines are not usually built in the car.
    
    I'd bet that if the 172bhp is a geniune claim - then its more likely to be a fly figure (estimated) rather than a wheels figure
20. gouldy87 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3932

    #20 18th April 2009, 12:45

    i love this site!!! it does amuse me!
21. Matty-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR

    #21 18th April 2009, 13:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gouldy87 i love this site!!! it does amuse me!

    Your one of the funniest on the site haha
22. gouldy87 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3932

    #22 18th April 2009, 13:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Matty-VTR Your one of the funniest on the site haha

    i love you too!!!
23. essexdon Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Canvey Island Posts: 1625 MY96 Impreza WRX 287bhp/299lbft ;)

    #23 18th April 2009, 13:51

    I love this site too. Love the way posters with out the knowledge say "breathin mods or talkin shite".
    
    When it starts getting to technical they stop repling lol hey i dont no everything about saxos but i certainly dont give the impression i do...
24. jacco Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Guernsey c.i Posts: 185 awaiting mauritius blue VTR

    #24 18th April 2009, 15:36

    sure a lot of funny smells coming from your £10,000 mate and 172 BHP mate,
    does he also think he has a big cock ?? haha
25. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #25 18th April 2009, 15:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 No, the saxo S1600 has 220bhp N/A without nitrous, and a few other have over 200bhp N/A and dont have nitrous either. Your mate is talking through his arse TBH he thinks he has 172bhp, with what? cams and breathing mods? no chance mate.

    Might want to learn the difference between at the wheels and at the fly
26. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #26 18th April 2009, 15:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan Might want to learn the difference between at the wheels and at the fly

    loool
27. essexdon Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Canvey Island Posts: 1625 MY96 Impreza WRX 287bhp/299lbft ;)

    #27 18th April 2009, 16:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan Might want to learn the difference between at the wheels and at the fly

    Example No.1 lol
28. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #28 18th April 2009, 16:42

    surprised we haven't heard, " for starters you want to port and polish your throttle body"
29. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #29 18th April 2009, 16:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo surprised we haven't heard, " for starters you want to port and polish your throttle body"

    how much bhp will i have with TB's, standalone, and a power chip?!
30. moxy89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost

    #30 18th April 2009, 16:46

    raunchz really does know the shit.... on the other had i dont no how to change gear
31. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #31 18th April 2009, 16:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by moxy89 raunchz really does know the shit.... on the other had i dont no how to change gear

    Better turbo your gear stick then
32. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #32 18th April 2009, 16:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by moxy89 raunchz really does know the shit.... on the other had i dont no how to change gear

    what shit!? I'm not into that sort of stuff
33. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #33 18th April 2009, 16:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo Better turbo your gear stick then

    what size diameter piping do i need ?! I can't go outside and measure it myself
34. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #34 18th April 2009, 16:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz what size diameter piping do i need ?! I can't go outside and measure it myself

    Urm about 4 of my fingers fit in it mate
35. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #35 18th April 2009, 16:49

    ^^^^^ loooool *searches ebay for 4 finger wide silicon piping*
36. moxy89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost

    #36 18th April 2009, 16:49

    lol ross leave the poor idiotic child alone... stop the bullying, mate try a ebay supercharger and get pc fan tied on that will give you around 171bhp then try a ebay chip to get around 400bhp + through the wheels thrust me
37. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #37 18th April 2009, 16:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by moxy89 lol ross leave the poor idiotic child alone... stop the bullying, mate try a ebay supercharger and get pc fan tied on that will give you around 171bhp then try a ebay chip to get around 400bhp + through the wheels thrust me

    lol, a saying come to mind, pot calling kettle . . . . .
38. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #38 18th April 2009, 16:51

    I'm just playing about - don't mean any harm by it.
39. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #39 18th April 2009, 16:52

    man what happend to the sales of my induction kits
40. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #40 18th April 2009, 16:55

    Epic thread tbh
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...vtec+induction
    
    
41. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #41 18th April 2009, 16:57

    ^ ^ ^ looooool good find ! That thread is brilliant !!!
42. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #42 18th April 2009, 17:02

    i think im going to print it off lol
43. essexdon Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Canvey Island Posts: 1625 MY96 Impreza WRX 287bhp/299lbft ;)

    #43 19th April 2009, 01:23

    Who are all you boys takin the piss out off now lol ?
44. Mike_08 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Birmingham Posts: 2401 Subaru Impreza WRX

    #44 20th April 2009, 12:20

    RenaultSport Clio 172
45. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #45 20th April 2009, 15:01

    they arent 172hp though.
46. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #46 20th April 2009, 17:30

    ^^^ Exactly
    
    And even if they did have 172bhp it would've been at the fly not wheels
47. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #47 20th April 2009, 17:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mike_08 RenaultSport Clio 172

    you mean more like 160ish ?
48. Andybhoy Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Broxvegas/westlothian Posts: 198 corsa/Big fish..little fish...VTS!!

    #48 20th April 2009, 22:42

    just put a clio sport engine in it.
49. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #49 21st April 2009, 09:04

    why? he wants 172hp and they are not that.