Bike Throttle Bodies for VTR

1. kriskros1 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 Cheltenham Posts: 183 Citroen saxo VTR

   #1 8th June 2009, 17:51

   posted one in wrong place so once again, thinking about bike throttle bodies for my vtr, which r the best to go for?? thanks for any help
2. gjs Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 227

   #2 8th June 2009, 18:00

   suzuki gsxr 750-1000 k1,k2,k3 i think,the rallye forum has a bit more info about them
3. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

   #3 8th June 2009, 18:09

   If your thinking about this its also worth looking at a standard DCOE format body on a GMC manifold. Many have found them to be superior and depending how much you are doing your self and what used parts you get hold of can work out similar money.
4. kriskros1 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 Cheltenham Posts: 183 Citroen saxo VTR

   #4 8th June 2009, 18:23

   is it worth fitting s1 mani?? ive got one and will try one day but like to know whats the best inlet for vtr?? any links?? and more about throttle bodies please... thanks for reply
5. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #5 9th June 2009, 11:18

   you cant use an s1 rallye inlet and bodies together. you need one or the other.
   
   Bodies use a custom made manifold which bolt to the head. yamaha r6 bodies are good for a vtr.
   Ive used them on several vts engine which they have proved to be quite good
   
   you would be looking around
   £3-400 for the bike bodies set up
   £500 on ecu
   £450 having it mapped
   
   
6. dynebaruk Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Bridgend Posts: 1098 Golf GTI 1.8 turbo

   #6 9th June 2009, 11:42

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by kriskros1 is it worth fitting s1 mani?? ive got one and will try one day but like to know whats the best inlet for vtr?? any links?? and more about throttle bodies please... thanks for reply

   The rallye inlet will only fit the 90bhp (1 plug) vtr engine, if you've got the 98bhp (3 plug) engine then it won't fit.
7. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #7 9th June 2009, 20:55

   tom whats it like wiring the sensors etc for the set up? looking into this myself for my vtr? is it a pain or is it pretty simple?
8. kriskros1 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 Cheltenham Posts: 183 Citroen saxo VTR

   #8 9th June 2009, 22:21

   ive got 90bhp vtr so perfect for s1 mani, will try that first and will get bodies setup after,
   thanks
9. dynebaruk Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Bridgend Posts: 1098 Golf GTI 1.8 turbo

   #9 9th June 2009, 22:23

   Looked into the s1 inlet myself for my westcoast, it will work with standard ecu but for any decent gains a remap is best.
   
   There's a guide here:
   
   http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=178273
10. kriskros1 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 Cheltenham Posts: 183 Citroen saxo VTR

    #10 9th June 2009, 22:30

    i will have full engine rebuild +kent cam, gas flow head, lightened and balanced fly wheel.... and a bit more, will post some picks soon
11. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #11 10th June 2009, 00:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 tom whats it like wiring the sensors etc for the set up? looking into this myself for my vtr? is it a pain or is it pretty simple?

    P.O.P mate ever so easy. 6wires and then get it mapped
    
    need to wire up
    injectors:
    Injectors Live
    Injectors 1&4
    Injectors 2&3
    
    
    throttle positions sensor
    Live
    In
    Out
    
    easy peasy
12. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #12 11th June 2009, 16:17

    cheer mate i really appreciate it, looking into it diy myself and was thinking about how it would work, didnt think it would be to hard as a body set up is just a replacent inlet isnt it so theres not to much to go wrong, any one got a wiring guide? think itl be part of my progress thread when my car gets rebuilt
13. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #13 11th June 2009, 17:39

    yer its easy as pie, if you can get an inlet which uses the standard fuel rail and injectors you will only have the 3 wires of the throttle possition sensor to wire up.
14. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #14 11th June 2009, 18:04

    What are bike bodies like on a vts? I would love bodies but abit too expensive for the proper ones lol. I was going to buy some r6 bodies a while ago for the vtr engine. But now getting a vts engine put in.
15. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #15 11th June 2009, 18:15

    well oversized r6 bike bodies on my old vts with ph4 cams, headwork, high comp pistons, breathing mods etc etc was awesome had some great power figures from that engine.
    
    my r6 bodies were oversized to 42mm instead of 36 or 38mm and it made hell of a difference
    
    great noise, great power,easy to fit, cheap to buy cant fault them
16. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #16 11th June 2009, 19:40

    What sort of power were you running? Is there much difference in power with bike and normal bodies? What sort of price would be looking at for same setup cams, bodies and a map? and power?
17. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #17 11th June 2009, 20:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom yer its easy as pie, if you can get an inlet which uses the standard fuel rail and injectors you will only have the 3 wires of the throttle possition sensor to wire up.

    vtr injectors arent on the inlet anyway.... will have to look into this further, shouldnt be too much of a task to fabricate somthing once i get a bit more knowledge on the task at hand, cheers mate muchly helpful
18. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #18 12th June 2009, 11:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jsdvtr What sort of power were you running? Is there much difference in power with bike and normal bodies? What sort of price would be looking at for same setup cams, bodies and a map? and power?

    erm well for me not really as i had oversized r6's but normal bike bodies are much smaller than the likes of jenvy and kms. so the bike bodies wouldnt be able to create the same sort of power figures.
    r6 bodies and manifold or similar £300
    cams £300
    ecu £500
    remap £400
    £1500 set up and mapped around 160-170 possibly
    
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 vtr injectors arent on the inlet anyway.... will have to look into this further, shouldnt be too much of a task to fabricate somthing once i get a bit more knowledge on the task at hand, cheers mate muchly helpful

    sorry mate thinking about vts injectors
19. joewilliams Newbie Joined: Oct 2006 colwyn heights, colwyn bay Posts: 1 vauxhall nova gsi replica (beast),v

    #19 7th September 2009, 18:52

    hey, thinking of puttin some bike bodies on my mk2 vtr, anyone now which bodies are good, what would i do about the wiring aswel
    
    has any one got a 3plug engine wiring loom for a vts
    
    cheers joe
20. shane2013 Newbie Joined: May 2013 Posts: 1

    #20 14th May 2013, 21:44

    hello guys need a hand and some info i have a mk 1saxo vtr i would love to throttle body it cam it and remapp it whats best to use and how much and where can i order everything =)
21. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #21 15th May 2013, 20:17

    4 year bump...
    
    i started one the other month, its got alot of info on the bike bodies....
22. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #22 20th May 2013, 20:49

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/yamaha-r6-...item20d241cee7
    
    ebay links i know i know
    
    are these the right ones... they dont look it...
23. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #23 21st May 2013, 19:57

    bit more info needed
    
    new? second hand? budget? spec?
    
    but
    
    bodies
    
    quite hard to find bodies for an 8v but 16v equivilents
    http://peugeot-tuning-parts.co.uk/10...le-bodies.html
    http://www.kamracing.co.uk/car-tunin...6-16v-vts.html
    i had jenveys but only paid £350 second hand for them
    
    cam
    
    http://www.kamracing.co.uk/car-tunin...shaft-set.html
    
    ecu
    emerald
    http://peugeot-tuning-parts.co.uk/1a...-ecu-p167.html
    -predator £500 ish
    
    i paid £270 for my remap at northampton motorsport (which is about what they charge everyone)
    
    also you gotta remember with 8vs youll need a h/g kit as the head has to come off for a cam change, 8vs dont have an adjustable pulley like vts's, so to get the best out of the set up a new vernier pulley is in order, then add on what ever serviceable parts youll need
    
    will be pretty hard to find bodies/cams second hand for 8vs as no one really tunes them in terms of natural aspiration, if you had a vts it would be much easier to source cheaper parts
    
    if you want wilder cams then high comp pistons, arp bolts would be needed along with pretty much a full on engine rebuild