what is the bhp on a vts

6th July 2009, 11:31

ive bin thinking of dropping a vts and replacing my standard vtr engine! was also thinking of putting a 1.5 diesel gearbox on lieka mate did and that gave a massive load of torque any idea what it would be liek on a vts cheers

6th July 2009, 11:33

vts = 120hp

How does a D gb give you more tourqe?

6th July 2009, 11:35

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

How does a D gb give you more tourqe?

it doesn't... I'm pretty sure the derv box is a tad shorter than the VTR box which will give a slightly better acceleration in gear.

Whereas the VTS box is much shorter than the derv and the VTR box... so it'd be wasteful putting the derv box on the VTS engine.

6th July 2009, 11:35

no a diesel box is the same as a vtr i belive ??

6th July 2009, 11:36

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Originally Posted by adsayer

it doesn't... I'm pretty sure the derv box is a tad shorter than the VTR box which will give a slightly better acceleration in gear.

Whereas the VTS box is much shorter than the derv and the VTR box... so it'd be wasteful putting the derv box on the VTS engine.

got beat to it :b ^^^

6th July 2009, 11:37

Book says it should have 120..

Chances are it probably doesnt.

6th July 2009, 11:38

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Originally Posted by adsayer

it doesn't... I'm pretty sure the derv box is a tad shorter than the VTR box which will give a slightly better acceleration in gear.

Whereas the VTS box is much shorter than the derv and the VTR box... so it'd be wasteful putting the derv box on the VTS engine.

I used magic to hide sarcasm in my reply you obv didnt see that

Surly for a short box youd want a s1 box? hasnt the R got the longest ratios iirc the S is even shorter than the R no?

6th July 2009, 11:45

shortest to longest...
s1, xsi 1.4, 1.1, xsi 1.6, VTS, Diesel, Furio/VTR

6th July 2009, 11:47

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Originally Posted by adsayer

shortest to longest...
s1, xsi 1.4, 1.1, xsi 1.6, VTS, Diesel, Furio/VTR

You're just a book of knowledge really arn't you? lol

6th July 2009, 11:47

Think you have convinced me to get an xsi box after our little convo yesterday ads

6th July 2009, 12:02

is that any S1 box or is it off a rallye ?

6th July 2009, 12:54

S1 = Series 1 106 Rallye. Series 2 Rallye's box is very similar to the VTS box.

6th July 2009, 12:59

Very few VTS's now will have exactly 120bhp. In most cases will have lost some over the years.

If you do swap for a S engine, strip it down, replace some parts give it a good clean etc

6th July 2009, 13:12

i doubt a modern engine thats probably no more than 10 years old will have lost more than 1 or 2 bhp if its serviced properly.

6th July 2009, 14:06

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Very few VTS's now will have exactly 120bhp. In most cases will have lost some over the years.

If you do swap for a S engine, strip it down, replace some parts give it a good clean etc

Or change the belt, tension and do a fluid change then stick it in and enjoy lol.

No real need to strip it down and change the shells etc imo unless your either going for big power eg forged internals, do all the work your self so its dirt cheap etc.

6th July 2009, 14:20

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Originally Posted by Maxamus

Think you have convinced me to get an xsi box after our little convo yesterday ads

thats exacly what i want to do to mine you red my mind lol

6th July 2009, 14:22

cheers for all the help guys think il stick toa vts box dden rather than the 1.5 gearbox lots of help their gonna save some pennys now !!

6th July 2009, 16:59

1 million bhp

6th July 2009, 18:58

It's common for 50,000+ mile "hard life" standard examples to be putting out around 95 - 100 bhp

6th July 2009, 21:41

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Originally Posted by Legacy555

It's common for 50,000+ mile "hard life" standard examples to be putting out around 95 - 100 bhp

that would be the lower end of the scale then
loss of 25bhp is something defo wrong with car

my mates old vts car pulled 118bhp standard with no sevice history and 123000 mile on dash

6th July 2009, 22:28

thanks to that top gear episode everyone now assumes every car looses horse power like a leaky tap.

7th July 2009, 07:47

vts book says 120 but over years they lose loads and gear box wize tbh not sure i run a vtr box on my vts tryed a 1.1 but broke it

7th July 2009, 07:49

AlexOldroyd's VTS (T reg, 90k ish on the clock) produced 124bhp, and its completely standard.

7th July 2009, 15:41

What about the special edition 130hp vts's

7th July 2009, 16:07

depends if your fogs are on or off

on = 120bhp

off = 200+

7th July 2009, 17:06

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vts book says 120 but over years they lose loads and gear box wize tbh not sure i run a vtr box on my vts tryed a 1.1 but broke it

They wont lose loads.quite a few make the same or a bit more than book.

7th July 2009, 17:54

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

What about the special edition 130hp vts's

ive got one of them

(ijoke, i know theyre not really 130bhp)

7th July 2009, 18:36

i cant believe that people think that cars loose that much power i mean fair enough 100,000 miles seems alot and u may get abit of coking and parts wearing but they really shudnt loose that much power if not theres a serious problem somewere. bare in mind the cars being used were not as modern as now and technology had come a fair way since.

7th July 2009, 18:38

an engine on 5k can be down on power, an engine on 200k can be spot on.

All depends how its maintained.

7th July 2009, 18:47

i also hear factory calibration onm there machines are only done at end of week or somethin glike that so later in the week engines may not be machined aswell as ones which are done when its been calibrated. i remember when i did tkm there were these teams buying about 5 engines at a time at £850 ish and getting everone tested keepiung the best 2 and selling off the rest so that sort of shows really brand new engines some amazing some not.

7th July 2009, 20:27

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Originally Posted by LeeM

thanks to that top gear episode everyone now assumes every car looses horse power like a leaky tap.

the 1 with the renault? that had lost serious power, but it was turbo and if abused they can lose serious power

7th July 2009, 20:49

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

the 1 with the renault? that had lost serious power, but it was turbo and if abused they can lose serious power

i was thinking more about the ones with the old italian supercars that they put on the dyno. the ones that had old fine tuned engines and had suffered years of abuse and neglect...

7th July 2009, 21:25

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Originally Posted by LeeM

i was thinking more about the ones with the old italian supercars that they put on the dyno. the ones that had old fine tuned engines and had suffered years of abuse and neglect...

older engines can loose power easy, for a start most are running carbs, and a tuned carb engine which has been adjusted/set up incoreectly will run shit.

7th July 2009, 21:26

my VTS on 80k miles got 105 hp at the wheelz... meaning it's probably just above the 120 hp quoted horsepower.

engines get shitter with mileage? my arse.

7th July 2009, 21:33

when the rings etc.. start to wear then it will lose some sleight power but as mentioned if the engine has been maintained properly then it shouldnt lose any power

7th July 2009, 21:35

some engines "loosen" with age some mk2 gti 16v's are running 2 or 3hp more than the books and drive like a dream.

As said its all about the cars history.

My cars an Aug 95 with 163k rolled a genuine 191hp and has a perfect power curve which surprised both me and the roller LOL

My car was giggled with on the lap top when i fitted my new inlet manifold though.

7th July 2009, 23:27

wow nice to see people dont talk utter crap on just one forum....

there is not a gate for ponys to just wonder out the back you know. only way your going to loose 25bhp is having piss poor compression. after working on wide ranges of tanks to motorbikes to land rovers to cars in the army chances of loosing up to 25 bhp in say 10 years is very minimul unless your bouncing off the limiter in every gear... every day with little or no servicing done

7th July 2009, 23:34

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Originally Posted by Asherz86

chances of loosing up to 25 bhp in say 10 years is very minimul unless your bouncing off the limiter in every gear... every day with little or no servicing done

this is saxo forum, with saxo drivers... I'd say that driving style description you suggested is typical for 90% of the people on here.

8th July 2009, 00:07

agree with this post or disagree, most will probably argue it...

a guy i know bought a vts for £600. 140k on the clock. standard engine/airbox/manifold and still has a cat. has a stainless cat back exhaust though.
it made 111bhp AT THE WHEELS on a rolling road day, that equals to over 130bhp at the fly. this car never gets warmed up, over the winter months he would bounce it off the limiter until the heater would blow warm air, no joke. thrashed within an inch of its life everywhere it goes and doesn't get serviced.
the car is now on about 150k and starts first time every time and runs normally and still pulls hard.

now i questioned how accurate the rollers were on the day but there were several people there that had not long since had there cars dyno'd elsewhere and got almost the same read out and everyone seemed to be getting a normal read out so it kinda rules that out

i spoke to a bloke who 'claims' to be a cit/pug specialist and he said to me that the 16v TU engine is a very good engine and that if driven hard on a regular basis will normally produce more power than a engine driven 'sensibly', he even went on to say that it is not unkown for a completely standard engine to produce more power than standard if it has been driven hard from day one.

bullshit or not i don't know, it sparked a few debates at the time with a lot of people i know.