Panel filter or enclosed Raceland

23rd July 2009, 02:30

Which would give more performance??

a de-restriced airbox with new cold air feed and with a green or K&N panel filter

or a Raceland enclosed induction kit with a green filter upgrade??

thanks

23rd July 2009, 02:32

Hard to say mate.

And tbh.. You wouldn't notice the difference anyway.

If i was you i'd go for which ever sounds the best or looks the best.

23rd July 2009, 02:32

Most would say the panel filter, but personally i think the Raceland may give more. Depends on a lot of other things though. Soooo.

23rd July 2009, 02:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Hard to say mate.

And tbh.. You wouldn't notice the difference anyway.

If i was you i'd go for which ever sounds the best or looks the best.

and price i spose....so panel filter
which would sound better? raceland?

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Most would say the panel filter, but personally i think the Raceland may give more. Depends on a lot of other things though. Soooo.

hmm...i cant decide...

23rd July 2009, 02:39

I haven't have a uprated panel filter so i can't comment on them unfortunately.

However i have had a few racelands. I prefered the sound of my BMC to my raceland but i liked the raceland for being quiet and only slightly noisy when the revs pick up. Which suits the saxo engine perfectly imo.

23rd July 2009, 02:41

I cant comment personally either, i have a open pipercross, purly for noise.

23rd July 2009, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

I haven't have a uprated panel filter so i can't comment on them unfortunately.

However i have had a few racelands. I prefered the sound of my BMC to my raceland but i liked the raceland for being quiet and only slightly noisy when the revs pick up. Which suits the saxo engine perfectly imo.

hmm but bmc cda are expensive. are they noisier than racelands? i thought cda's were dead quiet?!

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

I cant comment personally either, i have a open pipercross, purly for noise.

lol. they are well good. ...not. lol

23rd July 2009, 02:43

Panel for me. Had a raceland and thought it was completely wank tbh. The cheapness shows, but thats just my opinion.

PSA spent a lot of time on their induction systems though, theyre actually really very good. Generic aftermarket units and large scoops which have no thought on pressure etc arent in my opinion.

Its like exhaust systems, would you put a massive 4" bore pipe on, with the idea it gets the fumes out quicker?

23rd July 2009, 02:44

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Originally Posted by NICK2506

hmm but bmc cda are expensive. are they noisier than racelands? i thought cda's were dead quiet?!

lol. they are well good. ...not. lol

They sound epic, and the noise comes from under the bonnet, gives the impresion of 100000000s of horsepowerz

White text nick

23rd July 2009, 07:20

Had raceland and changed to piperx open filter thought was shit and so close to slam panel don't think as much air got to it

23rd July 2009, 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

They sound epic, and the noise comes from under the bonnet, gives the impresion of 100000000s of horsepowerz

White text nick

what bmc's sound like gazillions of horsepower?

23rd July 2009, 10:47

I thought they would be quiter

23rd July 2009, 10:50

I think theres a thread somewhere (not sure if its on here, or SSC) but IIRC, the results show the panel filter making more BHP than a Raceland and a BMC...

Panel filter makes the engine bay look nice and OEM as you are using the standard airbox, which gets my vote

23rd July 2009, 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raz

I think theres a thread somewhere (not sure if its on here, or SSC) but IIRC, the results show the panel filter making more BHP than a Raceland and a BMC...

Panel filter makes the engine bay look nice and OEM as you are using the standard airbox, which gets my vote

cheers, yeah i quite like the standard air box although a bit of carbon on the raceland or bmc doesnt hurt. but they are also much more expensive than a panel filter, so i reckon panel filter it will be

23rd July 2009, 16:30

I've had a BMC CDA and raceland enclosed.

Gone back to my panel filter as the raceland bogged down quite badly.

just got a air feed and it growls at 3.5K+ so there is some noise if you really need it.

23rd July 2009, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTR_Craig

I've had a BMC CDA and raceland enclosed.

Gone back to my panel filter as the raceland bogged down quite badly.

just got a air feed and it growls at 3.5K+ so there is some noise if you really need it.

x2 i got a panel filter with a cold air set-up too, its loud lol.

23rd July 2009, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTR_Craig

I've had a BMC CDA and raceland enclosed.

Gone back to my panel filter as the raceland bogged down quite badly.

just got a air feed and it growls at 3.5K+ so there is some noise if you really need it.

sounds good matee

what panel filter do you have?
and what cold air feed?

23rd July 2009, 17:07

K&N panel filter

Bought some 70mm flexible piping from ebay

Blocked up the bottomhole in the airbox

23rd July 2009, 17:12

for the price id just get a panel and improve the air feed from the box, ive went from enclosed with green kit which lots of people use back to std box/ green panel filter and improved air feed and felt no difference

23rd July 2009, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTR_Craig

K&N panel filter

Bought some 70mm flexible piping from ebay

Blocked up the bottomhole in the airbox

where does the air feed go to?
and also what did you block the bottom hole up with?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsh85

for the price id just get a panel and improve the air feed from the box, ive went from enclosed with green kit which lots of people use back to std box/ green panel filter and improved air feed and felt no difference

wicked, think i'll just do that
cheers.

whats the best panel filter to get? green or K&N or is there not much difference?

23rd July 2009, 18:11

feed goes to behind the light away from the hot rad and manifold

bottom hole has a rubber seal, take this out and cut a piece of plastic in a circle to block it up, i then super glued this and put some tape over it

23rd July 2009, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTR_Craig

feed goes to behind the light away from the hot rad and manifold

bottom hole has a rubber seal, take this out and cut a piece of plastic in a circle to block it up, i then super glued this and put some tape over it

cool stuff, where abouts behind the light?? do you have a pic of it

23rd July 2009, 18:23

Im guna be geting a green panel filter from Kam racing for £30

23rd July 2009, 18:41

This really helped me aswell. I'm modding on a budget so these expensive enclosed kits are out of my league right now so i thought about a panel filter and a cold air feed and this thread made me decision

23rd July 2009, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICK2506

cool stuff, where abouts behind the light?? do you have a pic of it

don't really have a pic but its just pushed behind the light, you can almost see the end on this pic -

23rd July 2009, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTR_Craig

don't really have a pic but its just pushed behind the light, you can almost see the end on this pic -

does that get enough air from being there?

23rd July 2009, 22:47

seems to mate

only put it on yesterday so time will tell.

23rd July 2009, 22:54

why not get a raceland with a cold air feed?

23rd July 2009, 22:56

I have a raceland at the mo, it sounded really loud with the raceland filter and the vts engine as it wasnt able to pull enough air through it as far as I could tell but with the green filter it seemed to respond better, no real notive in power tbh...
Got a BMC in the post at the moment, but best for performance is supposed to be the K&N Generation 2, read that on a post that someone had rolling roaded the car before and after to make sure... and was 'slight' increase not much though

23rd July 2009, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by liam-o

why not get a raceland with a cold air feed?

I did

was bogging down, there was quite a difference when i put the panel filter back on

23rd July 2009, 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lippy

I have a raceland at the mo, it sounded really loud with the raceland filter and the vts engine as it wasnt able to pull enough air through it as far as I could tell but with the green filter it seemed to respond better, no real notive in power tbh...
Got a BMC in the post at the moment, but best for performance is supposed to be the K&N Generation 2, read that on a post that someone had rolling roaded the car before and after to make sure... and was 'slight' increase not much though

yeah ive seen that thread although the k&n gen 2 are well expensive!!!!
so was loud with the raceland filter but bogged down?
hmm think i'll go for the cheapest option and get a panel filter....although my airbox has holes drilled in it, so i need a new airbox and a filter, which will be similar price to raceland....thats why i cant decide which one to get!!

23rd July 2009, 23:57

good thing i personally found with a panel filter is that because it doesnt give off any noise im not constantly having my foot welded to the floor to hear a 'bwarrrp'

itr ruined my MPG with an open filter although i loved the noise

24th July 2009, 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hodgins91

good thing i personally found with a panel filter is that because it doesnt give off any noise im not constantly having my foot welded to the floor to hear a 'bwarrrp'

itr ruined my MPG with an open filter although i loved the noise

yeahh, thats the only thing i will miss.
although i have a supersprint centre section and piper backbox so hopefully that will keep me happy

24th July 2009, 00:56

I was planning on getting a BMC for my vts but after seeing this think the panel upgrade might be a better idea

Can anyone link me to instructions/pics of how to derestrict the airbox?

24th July 2009, 01:01

i put 2 pipes into my raceland thru the slam panel and sempt to bog down low revs and idling. if get a cda or something like that with direct feed where you put bell mouth out grill or where ever. where do you route past rad and doube fan on vts???? thanks

24th July 2009, 01:07

Nick are you getting a VTR airbox? Could always put a standard VTS airbox on it with a panel filter and cold air feed. Did this on my mates old VTR and it seemed to make a difference over the standard VTR airbox. Just an idea like.

24th July 2009, 02:43

You all need one of these

24th July 2009, 09:37

i got a green one and i felt it slightly more responsive in lower gears but i will say one thing... i was on motor way the other day and in 4th and 5th, the accelration was considerably improved.... it was like she jus wanted to keep going lol....

24th July 2009, 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mieran

You all need one of these

what kits that it looks cool!!! bit too much carbon for some people tho i would imagin!

24th July 2009, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeeBeeVTS

I was planning on getting a BMC for my vts but after seeing this think the panel upgrade might be a better idea

Can anyone link me to instructions/pics of how to derestrict the airbox?

take the little box out of the bottom hole on the front of the VTR aibox and fill the hole it went into. then just file down the ridges on teh inside of the box to make it smoother

Quote:

Originally Posted by benwh555

Nick are you getting a VTR airbox? Could always put a standard VTS airbox on it with a panel filter and cold air feed. Did this on my mates old VTR and it seemed to make a difference over the standard VTR airbox. Just an idea like.

thats an idea mate....will it affect performance then? are they better? i assume it will fit straight on right?

24th July 2009, 12:08

im running a green pannel filter in mine mate, doesnt make any induction noise that i can notice. its slightly more responsive on the throttle but again hardly enough to notice. it feels slightly better but i doubt any induction kit would make a noticable difference to a standard car.

nick what is this you speak of about derestricting the airbox?

24th July 2009, 12:29

i noticed a difference when i drove my mate furio with a K&N GEN2 fitted. It was alot more resonsive than mine (with a standard airbox) not tried a panel filter coz im lookin into a BMC CDA!

24th July 2009, 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by wicked-vtr

im running a green pannel filter in mine mate, doesnt make any induction noise that i can notice. its slightly more responsive on the throttle but again hardly enough to notice. it feels slightly better but i doubt any induction kit would make a noticable difference to a standard car.

nick what is this you speak of about derestricting the airbox?

its just my open K&N makes the car feel so sluggish and bogs it down alot......
to derestrict it....... you know below the intake pipe theres a little palstic box thing, pull that out, and then block up the hole where it fits into. also smooth down the ridges in the airbox with a file or something to make air flow easier....not sure how noticable the changes will be but should be a bit better

24th July 2009, 12:33

i'd go for panel filter heard from few people the raceland isnt that good

24th July 2009, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICK2506

its just my open K&N makes the car feel so sluggish and bogs it down alot......
the derestricting is you know below the intake pipe theres a little palstic box thing, pull that out, and then block up the hole where it fits into. also smooth down the ridges in the airbox with a file or something to make air flow easier....not sure how noticable the changes will be but should be a bit better

mine doesnt really bog down, but on the other hand it doesnt make any noise. i might give the derestricting a go though.
IMO id prob go for the pannel filter, raceland stuff doensnt seem to be made that well and it will prob have a similar effect to the pannel filter for less money.

24th July 2009, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by wicked-vtr

mine doesnt really bog down, but on the other hand it doesnt make any noise. i might give the derestricting a go though.
IMO id prob go for the pannel filter, raceland stuff doensnt seem to be made that well and it will prob have a similar effect to the pannel filter for less money.

yeahh i think i may fit a VTS box on my vtr as someone in this thread said it will give you a bit more performance. so i think i'll get a vts box with a panel filter. as even if i used a vtr box i'd need a new one as mine has holes in it from where i drilled it

24th July 2009, 13:17

i believe that the raceland with green filter gives the best performance overall for the ££, it gives similar to bmc and vipers etc.. but for half the price,

i personally cnt see a std box giving the same gains top end but making it more responsive low revs which feels better to drive obv but loses top end due to the way its designed, even with the adjustments to it, but thats my opinion

24th July 2009, 19:07

I've had a Raceland with a Green filter and also had the standard airbox with K&N panel filter and apart from noise and the cost there really isn't a thing between them. Infact, the standard airbox doesn't suffer from heat soak like the Raceland did!

24th July 2009, 19:10

Im running K&n 57i cone on me mk2 vts,runs realy well ......

24th July 2009, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokid100

Im running K&n 57i cone on me mk2 vts,runs realy well ......

thats what ive got on my VTR. i think its wank

24th July 2009, 21:08

Tbh its not really going to make a big difference. But looking at the design of the VTS airbox, its better suited to give improved airflow. Again by smoothing out the inside of the box will help, and making the cold air feed as straight and smooth as possible. The less amount the air has been worked the better. But as i said before you get any massive gains in the power department, better throttle repsonse and wont get the bogging down like you do with an open cone. Have you read the big induction thread? http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87301 thats got loads of information.

28th July 2009, 19:29

Ive currently been considering this and chose to go with he de restricted standard airbox with uprated filter for the moment while money is short.
However i do have a question what is the best pannel filter to get? green? k&n?

thanks

4th August 2009, 15:26

I got a raceland enclosed induction kit with green panel filter from kam racing for my vts and wow it sounds amazing and its responsive in dry weather i do find when its raining it dont preform aswell but in resable conditions its amazing alot quicker and a nice growl noise when i put my foot down abit

heres a pic of mine

4th August 2009, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oo_ben_oO

I got a raceland enclosed induction kit with green panel filter from kam racing

thats a raceland enclosed with green filter

a panel filter is a replacement for the standard airbox air filter

20th August 2009, 14:59

Does anyone know that siz of piping i need to run from the stardard air box to the stardard scoup after ive taken the resonator out? 60mm, 70mm?

Also 1ply or 2ply piping or does it really matter?

Cheers

20th August 2009, 14:59

Thats for a vts air box