Complicated 16v conversion

1. user_34945 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Harleston, Norfolk Posts: 469 Mk2 Saxo Vtr 16V

   #1 1st January 2010, 19:36

   I have asked this before so please bare with me, i have the 8v, mk2 vtr, W reg, single plug ecu, silver top engine and want to upgrade to a 16v. I know there are problems with ecu and wiring looms so i was hoping that someone could point me towards the right year/type of engine to get,
   
   This is my Loom plug:
   
   
   Any help would be appreciated and i can upload more pics if needed, cheers.
2. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

   #2 1st January 2010, 19:56

   I thought it was just get an engine from a vts of the same age?
3. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

   #3 1st January 2010, 20:04

   find a 2000 plate, single plug vts engine and wham bam thankyou man.

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4. user_34945 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Harleston, Norfolk Posts: 469 Mk2 Saxo Vtr 16V

   #4 1st January 2010, 20:41

   Cheers, i'll head to the scrappy next week to see what i can find.
5. Olly Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Meerkat Harborough Posts: 2638 Saxo vtr mk 2

   #5 1st January 2010, 21:30

   youll need a single plug on the ecu, and a single big plug on the wing!
   
   Youll be able to see the difference if you compare them.
6. user_34945 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Harleston, Norfolk Posts: 469 Mk2 Saxo Vtr 16V

   #6 2nd January 2010, 13:13

   Cheers olly, also, if there is any chance of me seeing a engine running before removing it from the donor car, where is the immobiliser plug i have to pull to unlock the ecu??
7. user_34945 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Harleston, Norfolk Posts: 469 Mk2 Saxo Vtr 16V

   #7 2nd January 2010, 16:09

   Could someone please upload a pic of the smaller Loom Plug?
8. Scott-jarvis Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1053

   #8 2nd January 2010, 16:19

   I had the same problem mate, mine was a W reg silvertop VTR, i brought a VTS loom and a 106 loom that was with the GTI engine, i found it hard to find a W reg VTS loom as my VTR had the single plug ecu (mk1) and mk2 plug behind the headlight.
   I took it to the local garage that deal with modifying and they adapted me VTR loom to work, i got alot of wires down there, and yes its running 8 valve management but it all works just fine, lol.

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9. user_34945 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Harleston, Norfolk Posts: 469 Mk2 Saxo Vtr 16V

   #9 2nd January 2010, 21:27

   Nothings ever simple is it lol. Do you know where i could aquire a loom to fit? would a W reg gti engine loom fit the same as a W reg vts one? sorry for the questions but if i could get the right loom and single plug ECU could i drop in any single plug ECU'd vts/gti engine??
10. user_34945 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Harleston, Norfolk Posts: 469 Mk2 Saxo Vtr 16V

    #10 3rd January 2010, 00:49

    Okay, just been reading the conversion guides on the sticky threads. What type of ball joint splitter would i need? Also, im planning on giving the 16v lump some tlc before it goes in, so what would people reccomend? Thinking along the lines of head skimming, new piston rings, cambelt change, port polishing and valve polishing, would this be worth it? Cheers for your support.
11. sax-dan Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 wigan Posts: 772 vauxhall corsa gsi ford fiesta rs 1800 citroen s

    #11 3rd January 2010, 00:52

    what about doing clucth whilst its out?
12. user_34945 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Harleston, Norfolk Posts: 469 Mk2 Saxo Vtr 16V

    #12 3rd January 2010, 01:02

    Yeah, was just reading about that, would definatly be done, as the engine i have at the moment has only dont 60k and is cammed im not in any hurry to change so have the time to get everything just as i want it. Was thinking about gearbox change but im not as confident about that as i am the engine change.
13. sax-dan Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 wigan Posts: 772 vauxhall corsa gsi ford fiesta rs 1800 citroen s

    #13 3rd January 2010, 01:04

    gearbox easier than engine change lol, what you going to do with the vtr engine? how many miles it done etc..interested with the cams hha
14. user_34945 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Harleston, Norfolk Posts: 469 Mk2 Saxo Vtr 16V

    #14 3rd January 2010, 01:11

    Well as it stands its a silvertop 90 bhp single plug ecu vtr engine, done 60k, kent pt40 cams, 4-2-1 mani, k&n induction, Iridium plugs runs quite well, but not being mapped i dont know if i am getting its full potential, will proberly go on sale once the 16v lump is fitted.
15. sax-dan Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 wigan Posts: 772 vauxhall corsa gsi ford fiesta rs 1800 citroen s

    #15 3rd January 2010, 01:14

    ok dude, let me know!
16. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #16 3rd January 2010, 09:38

    whilst the engine is out, rebuild or replace everything you can. Your best bet for a loom is on here.
17. user_34945 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Harleston, Norfolk Posts: 469 Mk2 Saxo Vtr 16V

    #17 3rd January 2010, 17:06

    Yeah, i would try to get one from here, but not sure if i got any single plug ecu 16v engine does that meen i could just buy a single plug ecu loom and make sure that it had the right size loom plug?
18. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #18 3rd January 2010, 17:12

    you would need any single plug 16v ecu and the correct loom
19. jmkemp2009 Newbie Joined: Oct 2009 essex southend on sea Posts: 25 1st car:Peugeot 106 GTi 1.6 16v(chipped&cammed)

    #19 12th June 2010, 12:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Deano_Blad I have asked this before so please bare with me, i have the 8v, mk2 vtr, W reg, single plug ecu, silver top engine and want to upgrade to a 16v. I know there are problems with ecu and wiring looms so i was hoping that someone could point me towards the right year/type of engine to get, This is my Loom plug: Any help would be appreciated and i can upload more pics if needed, cheers.

    have you still got this loom because ill buy it
20. jmkemp2009 Newbie Joined: Oct 2009 essex southend on sea Posts: 25 1st car:Peugeot 106 GTi 1.6 16v(chipped&cammed)

    #20 12th June 2010, 12:01

    looking for a single plug loom that one for a 106gti dont know if there different to the saxo but willing to paygood cash
21. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #21 12th June 2010, 17:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scott-jarvis I had the same problem mate, mine was a W reg silvertop VTR, i brought a VTS loom and a 106 loom that was with the GTI engine, i found it hard to find a W reg VTS loom as my VTR had the single plug ecu (mk1) and mk2 plug behind the headlight. I took it to the local garage that deal with modifying and they adapted me VTR loom to work, i got alot of wires down there, and yes its running 8 valve management but it all works just fine, lol.

    8v management on a 16v engine?
22. user_39613 Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Essex Posts: 1006

    #22 12th June 2010, 18:53

    I've got a single plug loom and ecu if your interested mate.
23. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

    #23 12th June 2010, 18:55

    its a thread from jan
24. user_39613 Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Essex Posts: 1006

    #24 12th June 2010, 18:57

    Oh.. I see lol
25. Devil106 L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41

    #25 24th May 2016, 12:03

    hello guys, I also try, wiring for converting from s1 1.3 rally in 16v. can you give me a hand?