Vts brakes!!!

1. billytalbott Established Member Joined: May 2009 Near Loughborough Posts: 2152 Mk2 Flat Arch

   #1 6th February 2010, 16:22

   right people, im doing an engine conversion in the future for my 1.1 saxo and im just getting the brakes for it at the moment, im just woundering if the old hubs on the front of my 1.1 saxo will be ok with the vts calipers and discs?
   
   also the back brakes i will need 2 change it from drums to hubs, is this easy to do?
   
   cheers
2. stendog Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 southampton Posts: 2253 saxo vtr

   #2 6th February 2010, 16:49

   search button is your friend mate as this is discussed daily
3. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

   #3 7th February 2010, 12:44

   Personly id stick with the drums on the back.
   Most of the time you will fine they are more efficent, though dont look as nice
4. Keifer1903 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Galashiels Posts: 382 MK2 Saxo VTR 109bhp

   #4 7th February 2010, 13:06

   Discs FTW
5. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

   #5 7th February 2010, 13:20

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Keifer1903 Discs FTW

   and why would you say that?
   Drum brake handbrake is far superior to any disk handbrake in the citroen/peugeot range
6. Morgzc Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Colchester/Coventry Posts: 2809 92 Mx5

   #6 7th February 2010, 14:50

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by swampy and why would you say that? Drum brake handbrake is far superior to any disk handbrake in the citroen/peugeot range

   Im sure the last thing on his mind is how well he can do handbrake turns tbh. Although I would agree that they would be fine for everyday driving.
7. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

   #7 7th February 2010, 15:04

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Morgzc Im sure the last thing on his mind is how well he can do handbrake turns tbh. Although I would agree that they would be fine for everyday driving.

   handbrake turns arnt the only time you need a good handbrake
   passing an mot and parking on hills are others.
   They are far less prone due to the design of allowing roll back when they cool down that you get with disks
8. Morgzc Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Colchester/Coventry Posts: 2809 92 Mx5

   #8 7th February 2010, 15:09

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by swampy handbrake turns arnt the only time you need a good handbrake passing an mot and parking on hills are others. They are far less prone due to the design of allowing roll back when they cool down that you get with disks

   Yeah but how often do you hear of handbrakes failing? Most semi decent cars come with all round disks nowadays and I've never seen one randomly start rolling down a hill.
9. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

   #9 7th February 2010, 15:15

   Happens more than you would imgane.
   Alot of companies use a drum with in a disk, drum for handbrake and disk for everyday brakeing.
10. Mikol Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Somewhere between Bedford and Brixworth Posts: 2373 106 XS 16v Driveway Ornament

    #10 7th February 2010, 18:12

    Swampy you're a beautiful man.
    
    Firstly for making a good point, and secondly because you reminded me I need to talk to you. PM sent
11. billytalbott Established Member Joined: May 2009 Near Loughborough Posts: 2152 Mk2 Flat Arch

    #11 9th February 2010, 21:35

    ok so if i stick with my drum brakes, do you lot think i should up grade the drum and shoes?
    cheers
12. Mikol Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Somewhere between Bedford and Brixworth Posts: 2373 106 XS 16v Driveway Ornament

    #12 9th February 2010, 21:57

    'Performance Drum Brakes' is an oxymoron.
    
    If the standard ones are in good nick I wouldn't bother. Fitting new drums = fitting new bearings aswell, unless you're mega pikey and use the old ones.
13. Rich84 Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Liverpool Posts: 1163 16v ax V6 vag

    #13 9th February 2010, 22:04

    tbh mate go for some 266mm brakes if they fit the hub, would need to ask as i'am unsure
    
    standard 247mm vts brakes are totally shit
14. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #14 9th February 2010, 22:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rich84 tbh mate go for some 266mm brakes if they fit the hub, would need to ask as i'am unsure standard 247mm vts brakes are totally shit

    with the wrong pads in
    
    lee has 247s on his rallye and tbh they are massively improved just with mintex 1144s and some decent discs
    
    in standard form yes there shite (i have 11 quid pads for Q&H in mine and there shocking)
    
    but lees are very good
    plus less weight on the hub ect
    
    i love my 283mm 4 pots but tbh now with how light my car is im going to start locking up ect all the time (no abs on a vtr) where as the 247s you can be a lot more agressive with your foot and not have to worry
    at first with mine i would forget and ive had a few moments simply from braking hard at 60 mph ive since had to learn how to use my brakes rather than just foot in like
    
    
    id look at 247 or 266 (as they will fit on all 4 stud saxos) with like 1144s or ds2500 pads and good quality discs and youll be happy
    get a 21mm m/c on there too as the 1.1 runs a 18mm iirc so the bigger will make a nice difference
15. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #15 10th February 2010, 00:01

    calipers will bolt straight on along with the discs. id leave the drums as they are, not worth the hassle of changing
16. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #16 10th February 2010, 00:02

    i just so happen to have a full vtr setup in the garage which is the same as the vts, but if youre upgrading id highly recommend going with a 266 or 284mm kit
17. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #17 10th February 2010, 00:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rich84 tbh mate go for some 266mm brakes if they fit the hub, would need to ask as i'am unsure standard 247mm vts brakes are totally shit

    This man is absolutely right.
18. essexdon Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Canvey Island Posts: 1625 MY96 Impreza WRX 287bhp/299lbft ;)

    #18 10th February 2010, 00:16

    tbh the vts brakes at pretty shocking anyway, this goives you a reason to go for 306 gti6 set up
19. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #19 10th February 2010, 00:19

    its true, ive got some for sale and still say theyre shit and not to bother ha ha
20. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #20 10th February 2010, 00:39

    i love being ignored
21. Rich84 Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Liverpool Posts: 1163 16v ax V6 vag

    #21 10th February 2010, 19:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AlexB i love being ignored

    dont worry mate i'm here to sort of agree,
    
    
    you right 247mm would be good if you get good pads but the majority would go "wow!! green pads look ace" then they will crash.
    
    
    would go for 266mm with decent pads myself as you can run save money by not having to get 15", plus tyres are alot cheaper for 14"
22. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #22 10th February 2010, 22:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rich84 dont worry mate i'm here to sort of agree, you right 247mm would be good if you get good pads but the majority would go "wow!! green pads look ace" then they will crash. would go for 266mm with decent pads myself as you can run save money by not having to get 15", plus tyres are alot cheaper for 14"

    yea but green pads are the worst invention since the wire wool toothbrush tbh
    
    can run 14s (or even 13s) over 247 save the cash buying 266 get good pads and have less hub weight effecting the handeling lol
23. Mikol Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Somewhere between Bedford and Brixworth Posts: 2373 106 XS 16v Driveway Ornament

    #23 11th February 2010, 10:36

    VTS brakes are still a good upgrade over standard 1.1 tat.
    
    If you're still not happy then grab some 266's.
    
    Considering you can pick up an entire VTS setup for ~£50 you may aswell see if they'll be good enough for your driving style before spending more than double that on a 266mm setup.
    
    For regular trackdays or fast road 266mm would be ideal but in a 1.1 for normal/mild fast road a VTS setup would do you fine. The 1.1 block is lighter than a VTS anyways so you need less stopping force to begin with.
    
    Done.
24. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #24 11th February 2010, 11:54

    least someone gets where im coming from lol!
    i run the 247s on my 205 1400 xs and thats about as quick as a vts from the cars ive played with but due to less weight it stops reasonably and thats with pads that cost me 12 quid from Q&H lol
    with 1144s ect itll be decent enough for me
25. billytalbott Established Member Joined: May 2009 Near Loughborough Posts: 2152 Mk2 Flat Arch

    #25 14th February 2010, 10:04

    ive heard these 266mm are on citroen berlingos? is this right... if so i think i might go for these....
26. Mikol Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Somewhere between Bedford and Brixworth Posts: 2373 106 XS 16v Driveway Ornament

    #26 14th February 2010, 12:13

    Yes.
    
    Youll find both types of 266 on them.
27. lilwayne Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Yateley Posts: 464 1.1 saxo

    #27 14th February 2010, 12:19

    is yours 3 stud m8
28. Mikol Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Somewhere between Bedford and Brixworth Posts: 2373 106 XS 16v Driveway Ornament

    #28 14th February 2010, 13:09

    Mine? Sure is.