Saxo 1.0L scandal performance HELP

20th May 2010, 11:44

Hello. I have just bought a 1.0L saxo scandal and just realised how down on power it is. I dont know much about adding performance parts so i need help.
Ive got about £500 (not much i know). Does anyone know any parts i could add that would fit and make a difference?

Thanks

20th May 2010, 11:48

Nothing really within budget I'm afraid. The capacity is just to small. You could look for an engine swap to a 1.4 from furio or even 1.6 8 valve engine from the vtr (if you running multi point injection it would make the swap easier). You can keep the same gearbox from the 1.0l engine for either transplant.

20th May 2010, 11:50

really dont waste your money! its a 1.0 it'll never be quick the only thing you could do is an engine conversion, but on a 1.0 the suspension and brakes would be rubbish so all of that would have to be upgraded, if you did all the work your self and sourced cheap parts you could fit a vts engine and suspension and brakes for £500 but im guessing you dont know an aweful lot about saxos

if you want to go fast start looking for another car, its a 1.0 you should have realised it would be slow

20th May 2010, 11:56

Stevo123 , If i was to change the engine how would that effect the insurance?

20th May 2010, 12:00

badly lol

20th May 2010, 12:03

either lower it decent brakes suspention... its never goin to be fast but you will be able to have fun in corners

20th May 2010, 12:05

so theres nothing engine wise at all?

20th May 2010, 12:07

you could get a back box/air filter but its goin to do nothin except make it a little more grunty

20th May 2010, 12:08

My 1.1 Saxo is slow also you wont be able to squeeze any power out of a 1.0.. How old are you might i ask? (:

20th May 2010, 12:10

well if i cant make it faster then ill have to make it sound good

20th May 2010, 12:12

for a 1.0 the only things on the market for it engine wise would be an exhaust, manifold, induction kit which you might see about 5bhp, so you wouldnt even notice it, iirc there aren't any cams for the 1.0 (even if there was would cost about a grand in fitting and mapping for fuck all), even if you fitted a turbo im sure a vtr would still be far quicker

the cheapest way is an engine conversion, you could whack in a 1.4 and possibly keep the same suspension and brakes (would highly recommend you didnt though)

20th May 2010, 12:15

Ok. Thanks guys for all the advice

20th May 2010, 12:22

sorry if it wasn't the news you were expecting, at the end of the day you have an open scandal enjoy it in the summer with the roof pulled back, and be happy knowing im cooking in my saxo because i cant even open my sun roof

lol

20th May 2010, 12:24

Without spending mega bucks you wouldn't notice any real power gains. Plus you could have all the power in the world but on anything but a straight your not going to be quick without sorted suspension and brakes.
If you really have the modding bug you could fit better brakes, a sorted suspension setup and get some decent tires. At least that way it would be fun in the corners.

20th May 2010, 20:51

yea its only down on power because its a 1 litre

22nd May 2010, 15:41

i had a open scandal and then 0-60 is 16 seconds, dont even otther mate, sell and get a diff car.

22nd May 2010, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevo123

Nothing really within budget I'm afraid. The capacity is just to small. You could look for an engine swap to a 1.4 from furio or even 1.6 8 valve engine from the vtr (if you running multi point injection it would make the swap easier). You can keep the same gearbox from the 1.0l engine for either transplant.

all saxos are multipoint injection

22nd May 2010, 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

all saxos are multipoint injection

As far as i know there are some that are SPI?

22nd May 2010, 17:45

Mk1 saxo 1.1 are spi, mk2 1.1 saxo are mpi, unsure about the 1.0 though....

22nd May 2010, 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr

As far as i know there are some that are SPI?

iv been away with the fairys today

22nd May 2010, 19:59

1.0 and 1.1 were spi on P reg and R reg saxos... some later ones also if registered late...

26th May 2010, 18:13

The 1.0 you measure the 0-60 time in days but its cheap to insure.

A good service is always a good tip. Other than that an engine swap.

27th May 2010, 18:07

Can get a NOS kit for under £500, 25bhp shot should be ok!

27th May 2010, 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffchiz

even if you fitted a turbo im sure a vtr would still be far quicker

i think sophia bush will disagree with you there. iirc his 1.1 turbo was close to 150bhp making it capable of showing up a vts

27th May 2010, 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshB

Can get a NOS kit for under £500, 25bhp shot should be ok!

lol ye and put it up there wid a furio!

27th May 2010, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killeybh

lol ye and put it up there wid a furio!

you would see around 40ft/lbs torque from a 25bhp shot and that would be throughout the rev range so i'd say it would put it more in vtr territory. still a seriously slow car though.

27th May 2010, 19:42

Seriously, keep it standard, save your money, build up some no claims bonus and buy something fast in a few years time. Might be boring now but it'll be worth it when you're chipping around in a decent motor in a couple of years, rather than a boyed up 1.0 Scandal.

27th January 2012, 18:44

iv got a 1.0 scandal and iv done a hell of a lot of work on it iv droped the old 1.0 engine out and replaced it with a 1.6 8v, removed all the rolling gear (replaced it with 4 wheel barrows for 2 days (long story) ) put all round brembo big brake conversion on it stripped and re fitted the interor with all brand new stuff and the bits like the dash i just took out and re painted changed half the loom.

thats all i can think off but u can get a engine from the scrappy for 150 and i got all the vtr rolling gear for 150 + wheels cuz they couldnt get the locking nut off lool.

ill have a 1.6 engine and gearbox soon im gonna fully strip down and build as a turbo 1.6 with racing cams and crankshaft all new pistons will get it running and sell engine with turbo and gear box for about 800

27th January 2012, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDcustoms

iv got a 1.0 scandal and iv done a hell of a lot of work on it iv droped the old 1.0 engine out and replaced it with a 1.6 8v, removed all the rolling gear (replaced it with 4 wheel barrows for 2 days (long story) ) put all round brembo big brake conversion on it stripped and re fitted the interor with all brand new stuff and the bits like the dash i just took out and re painted changed half the loom.

thats all i can think off but u can get a engine from the scrappy for 150 and i got all the vtr rolling gear for 150 + wheels cuz they couldnt get the locking nut off lool.

ill have a 1.6 engine and gearbox soon im gonna fully strip down and build as a turbo 1.6 with racing cams and crankshaft all new pistons will get it running and sell engine with turbo and gear box for about 800

And.... Breatheeeeeeeeeee..

Oh Really, Can you tell me where my other cam is in my 1.6 8v engine. What 'Racing' cams are you using?

In all due respect sir, pics or stfu. (But i'm glad you've searched for this thread

)

27th January 2012, 20:08

to the OP.

i would spend a few hundred quid on a VT kit, some cheap alloys like vtr or vts, and get it lowerd on some half decent suspension, and posibly vtr/vts struts so you can use bigger brakes.

could do all of that for 500 easy if you do all the work yourself, it will look and handle so much better

27th January 2012, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDcustoms

iv got a 1.0 scandal and iv done a hell of a lot of work on it iv droped the old 1.0 engine out and replaced it with a 1.6 8v, removed all the rolling gear (replaced it with 4 wheel barrows for 2 days (long story) ) put all round brembo big brake conversion on it stripped and re fitted the interor with all brand new stuff and the bits like the dash i just took out and re painted changed half the loom.

thats all i can think off but u can get a engine from the scrappy for 150 and i got all the vtr rolling gear for 150 + wheels cuz they couldnt get the locking nut off lool.

ill have a 1.6 engine and gearbox soon im gonna fully strip down and build as a turbo 1.6 with racing cams and crankshaft all new pistons will get it running and sell engine with turbo and gear box for about 800

Epic bump!

27th January 2012, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by AshC

Epic bump!

thing is, everyone jumps on the band wagon telling people to search the forum when asking questions that get asked daily,

then when they bump up a 2 year old thread the same people have ago because they bumped a thread...

its a loose loose situation.

15th February 2012, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by logic_guy

And.... Breatheeeeeeeeeee..

Oh Really, Can you tell me where my other cam is in my 1.6 8v engine. What 'Racing' cams are you using?

In all due respect sir, pics or stfu. (But i'm glad you've searched for this thread

)

Im not sure what u mean "Can you tell me where my other cam is in my 1.6 8v engine" as there is only one camshaft which is located below the rockers and u have a crankshaft at the bottom of the block that pushes pistons up n down , and im goin to use a kent racing cam with low compression JE Forged Pistons with a turbo techinics stage 1 t2 turbo, and i dont have any pics yet as i havent got the time at the moment as im sorting my unit out to get this job done.

Lool tring to to trick a mechanic dont work just saying im not some 18 year old boy racer that plays around with his golf in my mom n dads garage

15th February 2012, 21:43

crankshaft doesn't push the pistons, quite the opposite in fact,the downward movement of the piston during the firing stroke pushes and hence turns the crank.

15th February 2012, 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

all saxos are multipoint injection

No they,re not some are spi mate.

15th February 2012, 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo67

No they,re not some are spi mate.

correct stevo and what wonderful machines they are!

16th February 2012, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamH

1.0 and 1.1 were spi on P reg and R reg saxos... some later ones also if registered late...

All 1.0 and 1.1 up until 2001 were spi.

Nothing to do with registered late, my V reg 1.1 was spi, wasnt going to have been sat for over 2 years...

16th February 2012, 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinkostu

All 1.0 and 1.1 up until 2001 were spi.

Nothing to do with registered late, my V reg 1.1 was spi, wasnt going to have been sat for over 2 years...

this. mine is W reg and was 1.1 spi

16th February 2012, 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandyslover70

crankshaft doesn't push the pistons, quite the opposite in fact,the downward movement of the piston during the firing stroke pushes and hence turns the crank.

No no, you're wrong mate, the wheels turn around and go through the gearbox which then makes the crank spin around pushing the pistons up and down this sucks air into the engine and the fuel pressure drops and sucks petrol out the engine and puts it in the tank. Then when you go the petrol station you get charged by how much fuel it sucks out your tank.

16th February 2012, 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDcustoms

Im not sure what u mean "Can you tell me where my other cam is in my 1.6 8v engine" as there is only one camshaft which is located below the rockers and u have a crankshaft at the bottom of the block that pushes pistons up n down , and im goin to use a kent racing cam with low compression JE Forged Pistons with a turbo techinics stage 1 t2 turbo, and i dont have any pics yet as i havent got the time at the moment as im sorting my unit out to get this job done.

Lool tring to to trick a mechanic dont work just saying im not some 18 year old boy racer that plays around with his golf in my mom n dads garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDcustoms

iv got a 1.0 scandal and iv done a hell of a lot of work on it iv droped the old 1.0 engine out and replaced it with a 1.6 8v, removed all the rolling gear (replaced it with 4 wheel barrows for 2 days (long story) ) put all round brembo big brake conversion on it stripped and re fitted the interor with all brand new stuff and the bits like the dash i just took out and re painted changed half the loom.

thats all i can think off but u can get a engine from the scrappy for 150 and i got all the vtr rolling gear for 150 + wheels cuz they couldnt get the locking nut off lool.

ill have a 1.6 engine and gearbox soon im gonna fully strip down and build as a turbo 1.6 with racing cams and crankshaft all new pistons will get it running and sell engine with turbo and gear box for about 800

If your username is representing a company then you really need to not post as much.....

16th February 2012, 16:46

heres a idea

TURBO IT
everything i brought for my ibiza 1.4 came to under 500 but i also worked on the engine as i wanted to run over 200hp at about 15psi. if your happy with just a bit more power you wont have to do any engine work and just create a "bolt on kit" as it where

you will probably need
fiesta t2 turbo (about 80 off ebay) with 6psi actuator
make your own downpipe and manifold (20)
second hand BOV (35)
New intercooler setup off ebay about 130 with pipes?
oil pipework is about 40 off ebay
then VTR brake calipers with pads and disks about 60
guage boost pod 20
with a turbo youll want to run a straight through system so a decat pipe and backbox of your choice shouldnt cost more then 70 if you get them 2nd hand
Cittuning claim that with a 6psi setup (i think they call it stage 1) you dont need a remap
6psi should be realiably to run without blowing up your engine as well as the fun off a boosted engine. it will see you maybe about 90hp which will match a vtr. i reckon you would have to also change the injectors as well. its a cheap mod if your going to do it by yourself

my ibiza ive nearly finished (just waiting on the head and intercooler to arrive0 should run about 110 at 4psi and at 15psi about 180-190 so from a standard 70hp engine its a big jump