vts engine loom problem!!!!!!!!!!!

1. tups Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 17 citroen saxo vtr

   #1 20th August 2010, 20:18

   right can anyone help me please right iv got a 52 plate vtr i put a vts engine in in december it was outa a 1997 saxo vts i cut the loom up got it working buthad no speedo or lamba sensore working so i bort a w reg vts loom with had the one plug ecu but had the late mk2 big multi plug that conects into the body loom so fitte it today as i fort this might sort my speedo out and everythin seein as they plug up perfect but itstill have no speedo no rev counter or temp gauge can anyone help me out and anyone got any ideas how to get it working without changing looms and ecu to the later modle
   
   thanx liam
2. tups Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 17 citroen saxo vtr

   #2 23rd August 2010, 00:19

   well fort this sight was for gettin advice and help
3. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #3 23rd August 2010, 00:25

   It is a good site for getting advice and help, but most people probably can't decipher what you've written or have asphyxiated through lack of full stops.
   
   So you've simply put a 3 plug loom into the car? What dashpanel are you running? The VTR? the '97 single plug VTS? or the 2000 3 plug VTS?
4. ryansaxo2010 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 chepstow Posts: 138 saxo furio, vts conversion with cat cams and a tur

   #4 23rd August 2010, 10:55

   uve obv wired it up wrong then,..the tachometer is a green wire the o2 sensor wire is orange the oil is brown or yellow dependant on model.. all the fat wires are fuel ignition wires apart from a skinny white 1 with cc2 on it thts for the fuel pump on early modles, the rest is lights and diagnostics
5. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

   #5 23rd August 2010, 17:42

   single plug ecu is your problem, you need a 3 plug loom and ecu to do what youre trying to do
6. tups Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 17 citroen saxo vtr

   #6 28th August 2010, 13:30

   i no what ya meen but im trying to wire that loom right it plug perfect in the body as they both have big multi plug then its got the mk1 ecu plug wich i have mk1 ecu so everything plugs up but theres a couple wires outa place iv got mk2 clocks in
7. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #7 28th August 2010, 14:16

   that makes no sense whats so ever without punctuation

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8. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

   #8 28th August 2010, 14:40

   I could wire a loom in my sleep, but ive not got a chuffing clue what you are trying to achieve. Reading that post made my brain ache!
   
   Getting a single plug engine running in a 3 plug car is a piece of piss if you know what your doing, if you don't its all going to end very badly.
   
   Where abouts are you located? it might just be worth paying somebody local to wire it properly for you.
9. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #9 28th August 2010, 14:56

   ryan, im going to be getting a j4 or hopefully a jp4 for my 2003 52 plate vtr, if i get the jp4 im after, im wanting to run a single plug ecuy and loom onto it, do you have or could you make me a wiring diagram for splicing the looms together, or splicing my vtr's engine loom plug to the 16v loom? id obvs be willing to give you some beer tokens for the favour of course, give me a pm if you can help out mate
10. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #10 28th August 2010, 15:08

    The wiring diagrams in my head, but i can give you the pinout of the vts one. Give me a PM or call when youve got the 2 looms infront of you and ill talk you through it. The only real stumbling block with the 3 plug to 1 plug conversion is you dont have fan control with the single plug ecu. Means you want to swap back to the mk1 with the thermostat in the rad, or use the redundant brown aircon temp sensor to create a circuit to switch the fan on at a certain temp.
11. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #11 28th August 2010, 15:18

    ill probs just use te mk1 rad also, thatd be a great help, i know looking at it alot of the main wires will be obvious, but i know alot of the sensor wires etc wont be lol, cheers for that, will get in touch when ive got them both as untill ive got the engine/loom/ecu im still open to 1plug/3 plug conversion
12. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #12 28th August 2010, 15:19

    You wont need to touch any engine related sensors. Just dash water temp, oil level, temp, pressure warning, reverse and ecu light/speedo/rpm
13. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #13 28th August 2010, 18:27

    somethin needs sorting for the rad if you use a single plug loom in a 3 plug car, as the fan on a 3 plug is ecu controlled via the engine loom, on a single plug it goes off a sensor in the rad
14. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #14 28th August 2010, 20:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeM somethin needs sorting for the rad if you use a single plug loom in a 3 plug car, as the fan on a 3 plug is ecu controlled via the engine loom, on a single plug it goes off a sensor in the rad

    You can swithc it off one of the temp sensors on the block, something along the lines of
    
    
15. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #15 28th August 2010, 20:03

    Ryan, you know wiring diagrams baffle me...
16. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #16 28th August 2010, 21:43

    lol good diagram!! thats the least of my issues tbh, gettting it in and running so im not without a car is more important, if push comes to shove i can wire a switchin temporary just to get it sorted
17. cian Newbie Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1

    #17 29th August 2010, 00:52

    Hi lads, im putting a vts into my 1.4vtr the vtr is a 1 plug ecu and the vts is a 3 plug system must i change the hole loom or can i just sepurate out the engine wiring from the body so i dont have to change the hole thing and save me the hassle, there must be an easier way
18. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #18 29th August 2010, 08:57

    Sell the 3 plug loom n ecu and get a single is the easiest
19. redevo7 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 197

    #19 1st December 2011, 13:09

    Holy thread revival!!!
    
    Iv just done a conversion from a 2001 vts 3 plug to 2003 furio 3 plug, problem iv got it there is no rear lamda sensor output and car starts over fueling after approx 30 seconds to a minute from starting.
    iv purchased a complete engine, box, loom package but its single plug, im looking to swap it over and after some info. It seems not as straight forward as i hoped.
    any advise/help is much appreciated.