Put a turbo on Saxo

1. Luigi L-plater Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 42

   #1 21st March 2011, 00:42

   i people... well i'm tired of mine Ph3 camshafts caus with my pistons with cavities.. i wont get the best performance that i had :\
   
   well i was thinking in a turbo.. what do u say? the volume its more so.. do you think i can apply a turbo making 0,5 bar and have no prob?
   
   thanks
2. user_36078 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Costa Del Posts: 8010

   #2 21st March 2011, 01:05

   Yes, with only 0.5 bar boost you wouldn't necessarily need to have forged internals
3. Luigi L-plater Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 42

   #3 21st March 2011, 09:28

   thanks, but say me someting, i usualy drive calm but sometimes like to drive faster and some drags.. do you think that the engine will not colapse with those 0,5, its safe?
   
   i was only thinking in the turbo and a radiator of oil..
4. user_37187 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2009 Stranraer Posts: 3437 bodied VTR

   #4 21st March 2011, 22:18

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Luigi thanks, but say me someting, i usualy drive calm but sometimes like to drive faster and some drags.. do you think that the engine will not colapse with those 0,5, its safe? i was only thinking in the turbo and a radiator of oil..

   I may have mis-understood you're comment but are you only putting on a turbo and a radiator of oil?
5. Luigi L-plater Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 42

   #5 21st March 2011, 22:28

   well i was thinking on it....
   
   its safer to the engine with only 0,5 bar or what?
6. user_37187 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2009 Stranraer Posts: 3437 bodied VTR

   #6 21st March 2011, 22:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Luigi well i was thinking on it.... its safer to the engine with only 0,5 bar or what?

   for a start there is alot more to do than that. I am not a turbo expert but you needs to sort out fueling,manifold,intercooler sort out you're compression the list goes on and on
7. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #7 21st March 2011, 23:55

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Luigi thanks, but say me someting, i usualy drive calm but sometimes like to drive faster and some drags.. do you think that the engine will not colapse with those 0,5, its safe? i was only thinking in the turbo and a radiator of oil..

   post a vid when you get that working
8. lharrowing Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 norwich Posts: 941 Citroen Saxo Westcoast MK1

   #8 22nd March 2011, 10:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by LSOfreak post a vid when you get that working

   i would also like to see this vid sounds good
9. Gary-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 Colchester/Harwich, Essex Posts: 2208 EG Civic Turbo & CRX Del Sol VTi

   #9 22nd March 2011, 10:42

   I think the OP means an oil-cooled turbo rather than water-cooled.
   
   &Judging from the name + commas instead of decimals, I'd guess English isn't his first language.
10. Saxovch22 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Scotland Posts: 1191 02 Saxo Vts

    #10 22nd March 2011, 12:35

    I thought he meant oil cooler

    1 user thanked this post: blackie_2k5
11. Luigi L-plater Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 42

    #11 22nd March 2011, 13:36

    hi people not my first language you're right
    im portuguese.
    
    yes i meant a oil cooler and a turbo..
    this is what happened:
    
    i had PH3 camshafts working great.. but i had put pistons with cavities and the compression and performance its now very bad :\
    
    so i had 2 solutions:
    
    - or a turbo, cause my internls are new
    - or a better camshafts..
    
    well after thinking.. the tubo would involve some more costs, and i should be carefull with it even with 0.5 bar.. so...
    
    i will put a catcams 734, with my pistons with cavities... what do you think?
    
    thanks to all
12. VTR01KBR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 686 Saxo VTR Mk2

    #12 22nd March 2011, 20:57

    I say Turbo bud
13. saxoclarke Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 740 suzuki ignis sport

    #13 23rd March 2011, 11:55

    Everyones going to say turbo because they all wana see what it preforms like with one but a turbo will most probable require alot of cash and time to get running smooth, cams should be easier and safer option but all up to you.
14. Squeak_ Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 suffolk Posts: 811 (2000) black VTR

    #14 23rd March 2011, 12:16

    bodies ??
15. user_37187 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2009 Stranraer Posts: 3437 bodied VTR

    #15 23rd March 2011, 16:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Squeak_ bodies ??

    might be a better idea to work with the cams?
16. Oc2 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Nottm. Posts: 924 Focus ST2 ASBO

    #16 23rd March 2011, 16:37

    Popular phrase... N/A the expensive way to go slow
    
    a VTS
    Bodies
    PH4's (and all the headwork)
    
    would see what? 180bhp?
    
    a low boost setup would see that PLUS youd then have the option to turn the sucker up
17. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #17 23rd March 2011, 20:10

    sounds like youve fitted lower compression pistons saying they have cavaties??
    
    therefor the as a naturally aspirated engine it wont perform aswell as they generally use a higher compression ratio
    
    if so then a turbo is about your only option if you want to keep them
    a turbo setup isnt cheap and an oil cooler would be needed but so would an intercooler some form of better injection (wether it be a 5th injector and mf2 or standalone and bigger cc injectors)
    
    you could keep the ph3s but returning to the standard exhaust camshaft may be to your advantage
18. Luigi L-plater Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 42

    #18 24th March 2011, 20:30

    thanks to all your opinions guys!
    
    I had put the 734 camshafts
    
    now i'll make the diagram with the specific degrees that catcams say for these camshafts... than ill post my feedback
19. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #19 24th March 2011, 21:32

    even if youve fitted those cams.... if your pistons are low compression pistons, the performance will still be poor
    
    can you get pics of the pistons tops, are they low compression, or do they have deeper valve cut outs
20. Luigi L-plater Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 42

    #20 25th March 2011, 21:35

    so these are the pistons:
    
    
21. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #21 25th March 2011, 22:01

    Deeper valve cuts then
    odd setup as a cam wild enough to require those would benefit from a higher compression
    That is a lower ratio as the cutouts add volume inthe cylender
    
    Fitting a higher cam may work but how are you correcting the fueling??
22. Gareth_R Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Basildon, Essex Posts: 1042 Citroen AX VTS

    #22 26th March 2011, 08:33

    Naa they will be high comps - extra material up top with just little cut outs for the valves