throttle bodies

17th April 2011, 22:09

this is probaly bin talked about loads of times but how much difference will throttle bodies make on a mk2 vtr? how much bhp will be added etc?

17th April 2011, 22:11

16v it, for the cost of bodies on a 8v, its not worth it. 16v it with Exhaust Mani, Straight through etc will be faster imo.

Btw, Wrong section

Ps. I love you.

17th April 2011, 22:15

i can buy some throttle bodies of a mate for 80quid that are in good condition and a different mate will fit them for bout 20quid. so for 100 quid will it be worth it and how much bhp will it add? and sorry about wrong section but cnt be arsed to change now lol

17th April 2011, 22:17

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Originally Posted by sexy-silver-saxo

i can buy some throttle bodies of a mate for 80quid that are in good condition and a different mate will fit them for bout 20quid. so for 100 quid will it be worth it and how much bhp will it add? and sorry about wrong section but cnt be arsed to change now lol

What boddies can you get for £80?

Are they empty pringle cans by any chance

17th April 2011, 22:18

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Originally Posted by sexy-silver-saxo

i can buy some throttle bodies of a mate for 80quid that are in good condition and a different mate will fit them for bout 20quid. so for 100 quid will it be worth it and how much bhp will it add? and sorry about wrong section but cnt be arsed to change now lol

You will make minimal gains without a remap on a Aftermarket ECU. A few BHP max and the problems due to the air intake incorrect without a remap would cause misfiring and overfueling problems.

Im no expect, but this is just common sense to me.

With the bodies your buying, for £80? Have they got the correct 8v set up already attached? This is only going to end bad..

But on the upside, for the moments your car does work, it would make a nice sound

17th April 2011, 22:23

im not sure what make they are but he was going to use them on his 106 rally. and i think theyre only so cheap because hes jobless and needs the money realy badly. ill find out the make and try and get a pic up

ive got a unlocked ecu ready for a remap . i dont want to fuck my car up but it would be good. so with a remap and throttle bodies how much bhp then. basicly i wana no how fast it will go with the right set up and what the right set up is.

17th April 2011, 22:26

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Originally Posted by sexy-silver-saxo

im not sure what make they are but he was going to use them on his 106 rally. and i think theyre only so cheap because hes jobless and needs the money realy badly. ill find out the make and try and get a pic up

ive got a unlocked ecu ready for a remap . i dont want to fuck my car up but it would be good. so with a remap and throttle bodies how much bhp then. basicly i wana no how fast it will go with the right set up and what the right set up is.

Bodies without Ph3 cams with remap on the standard ECU, lucky to get 120bhp max if its a MK2 VTR. Would be lucky to see 115bhp if its on the Standard Exhaust system.

No need for the Unlocked ECU, that means fuck all in this situation.

17th April 2011, 22:27

I love not being online for ages and then coming back on to read things like this.

17th April 2011, 22:27

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Originally Posted by sexy-silver-saxo

im not sure what make they are but he was going to use them on his 106 rally. and i think theyre only so cheap because hes jobless and needs the money realy badly. ill find out the make and try and get a pic up

ive got a unlocked ecu ready for a remap . i dont want to fuck my car up but it would be good. so with a remap and throttle bodies how much bhp then. basicly i wana no how fast it will go with the right set up and what the right set up is.

It sounds like you want to get maximum gains for minimal outlay and effort

Unfortunately thats not how things work buddy....

17th April 2011, 22:30

could say it like that. im just thinking am i going to get a bargain for the difference its going to make. im on my 3rd vtr (cant afford to insure vts) and the engines have all bin standard apart from induction kit. i just want to do something thats going to make a difference. im going to get a 421 decat and i wanted to get it cammed and remapped anyway (obviously over a few months because im not loaded) but then my mate mentioned these and i wanted a bit of advise about them. how much would the inlet mani be?

17th April 2011, 22:31

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Originally Posted by sexy-silver-saxo

could say it like that. im just thinking am i going to get a bargain for the difference its going to make. im on my 3rd vtr (cant afford to insure vts) and the engines have all bin standard apart from induction kit. i just want to do something thats going to make a difference. im going to get a 421 decat and i wanted to get it cammed and remapped anyway (obviously over a few months because im not loaded) but then my mate mentioned these and i wanted a bit of advise about them. how much would the inlet mani be?

How longs a piece of string. Contact Colin or Sandy

17th April 2011, 22:33

I think you need to realise that any power mod such as moddies/cams/turbo etc is going to cost money to first off buy the parts and they get it setup correctly.

If you try to bodge it or do it on the cheap, you will end up fcuking the engine mate

Power and cheap do not come in the same sentence

Also, if you can't afford to insure a VTS......how can you afford to insure a VTR with power mods?

17th April 2011, 22:38

its ok i didnt think we had bothered to create an engine section either....

On topic, just bunging on a set of bodies isnt as easy as people think. for £80 id expect them to be carbs but you never know.

17th April 2011, 22:39

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

I think you need to realise that any power mod such as moddies/cams/turbo etc is going to cost money to first off buy the parts and they get it setup correctly.

If you try to bodge it or do it on the cheap, you will end up fcuking the engine mate

Power and cheap do not come in the same sentence

Also, if you can't afford to insure a VTS......how can you afford to insure a VTR with power mods?

i can afford to pay running costs etc. just dont wana pay 2 grand to insure a vts.
so if i wanted to do it properly (witch i would be prepared to do) id just have to save up a bit but i dont mind. obviously i dont want a bodged up car so what do you people who actuly no stuff about engines unlike me suggest i do to do it all properly?

cheers for the interested comment liam

17th April 2011, 22:41

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Originally Posted by Ryan

its ok i didnt think we had bothered to create an engine section either....

On topic, just bunging on a set of bodies isnt as easy as people think. for £80 id expect them to be carbs but you never know.

yeah sorry i realised about being in the wrong section after lol. could kinda cut into the general chat section tho as we r just generaly chatting about boddies lol. ill find out more info and try get pics up. im sure theyre boddies

17th April 2011, 22:43

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

I think you need to realise that any power mod such as moddies/cams/turbo etc is going to cost money to first off buy the parts and they get it setup correctly.

If you try to bodge it or do it on the cheap, you will end up fcuking the engine mate

Power and cheap do not come in the same sentence

Also, if you can't afford to insure a VTS......how can you afford to insure a VTR with power mods?

i wouldnt tell insurance about the engine mods. but lets not go into that please. dont want people lecturing me

17th April 2011, 23:01

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Originally Posted by sexy-silver-saxo

i wouldnt tell insurance about the engine mods. but lets not go into that please. dont want people lecturing me

you don't want people lecturing you that if you kill a kid your insurance will be null and void and you will deffo be up on a man slaughter charge but that doesn't matter because it will never happen because your a driving god.

nob!

17th April 2011, 23:09

and thats why i didnt want to go into that subject. did i say i was a driving god? NO. just forget about this thread. its getting me no were anyway.

17th April 2011, 23:13

Buy a 16v, i wouldn't bother messing about with a 8v if your really hung up on power. Theres plenty of threads on hear to read about how to get more power out of your car.

17th April 2011, 23:16

i would have a vts now if i wanted to pay that much to insure it . if i still lived with the parents id have one but got a flat with the misses now so its not that easy. maybe i should just wait untill i can afford a faster car. im talking to my mate hu has the boddies now so ill try get him to text me over a pic.

17th April 2011, 23:22

my mate said to me ..... they were carbs but made into boddies,there 40mm inlet side and 45mm trumpet side. wiv a cam and then with head work and good system should be around 135-140 bhp. and after bedfords comment id consider putting it on insurance if i done it . that text didnt mean much to me but maybe some1 on here can make sence of it?

17th April 2011, 23:26

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Originally Posted by sexy-silver-saxo

i would have a vts now if i wanted to pay that much to insure it . if i still lived with the parents id have one but got a flat with the misses now so its not that easy. maybe i should just wait untill i can afford a faster car. im talking to my mate hu has the boddies now so ill try get him to text me over a pic.

I understand its not easy when you have bills to pay. Like above power doesn't come cheap so make sure you think about what your doing and maybe buy all the little bits you need each month then fit them once you've collected everything.

17th April 2011, 23:28

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Originally Posted by Saaamon

I understand its not easy when you have bills to pay. Like above power doesn't come cheap so make sure you think about what your doing and maybe buy all the little bits you need each month then fit them once you've collected everything.

yeh that was guna be the plan, im just unsure on what i need to get to get the full potential. in other words is it worth spendin 80 quid on these carbs/bodies or will i never be able to afford the other bits the go with it

18th April 2011, 07:51

Post a pic up and we'll try and help.

Ecu costs for going with bodies would be around the £500-£1000 mark

18th April 2011, 07:56

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Originally Posted by sexy-silver-saxo

i wouldnt tell insurance about the engine mods. but lets not go into that please. dont want people lecturing me

Says it all I think......

18th April 2011, 09:02

If you're not gonna tell insurance about the power mods (which is stupid), then why don't you just do a 16v conversion and still not tell them? :s

18th April 2011, 09:08

I have a VTS on boddies with EVERYTHING done correctly, stand alone ecu, port and polish lightened flywheel and crank uprated fuel lines exhaust, manifold, cams, the works.

Mine made 150hp on the rollers with 125 at the wheels.

That was on a dyno pak wich is very similar to dyno dynamiks in readouts.

Now i know for a fact i could go on some other rollers and get maybe 160 but then if and when you realise this you will also realise chasing numbers is pointless.

What i do get is nice power/torque for an awesome delivery that = imo a fast saxo.

isnt that what you want?

ps dont just stick boddies on, even for £80.

18th April 2011, 09:54

^^^ is that genuine or ???
It's just all that money for what 5bhp I think the vts is around 120 standard correct me if I'm wrong

18th April 2011, 10:17

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Originally Posted by DanViner

^^^ is that genuine or ???
It's just all that money for what 5bhp I think the vts is around 120 standard correct me if I'm wrong

at the wheels? doubt a standard vts would even make 100 at the wheels.

again though its not just about the bhp its also about the torque and delivery.

but the point i was trying to make is that numbers mean feck all, especially when not all rollers read the same.

18th April 2011, 11:17

I must be wrong I thought the vtr's were 90/98bhp and the vts's were 120

18th April 2011, 11:20

at the fly.

whp is different.