What To Do???

1. RyanBurrows19 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Mansfield Posts: 179 2003 Citroen Saxo Furio 1.4

   #1 18th April 2011, 15:44

   Hi, I've been thinking for awhile, I want big power increase, I believe I have choice of vtr engine then turbo, or VTS engine, ive been told the civic type r engines fit in saxo's swell. What's everyones thoughts/ideas
   
   Thanks
2. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #2 18th April 2011, 16:00

   What civic type r engine there are a few b16,b18,k20? fitting any will be a pain in the arse but much more tunable.
   
   All depends on how much time and how much money you have and how much work your willing to put into it.
   
   
   
   Personally i would go vts/gti lump and charge or turbo it.
3. Gary-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 Colchester/Harwich, Essex Posts: 2208 EG Civic Turbo & CRX Del Sol VTi

   #3 18th April 2011, 16:05

   You'll need deeeep pockets to get a K20 CTR engine in a Saxo. The cost of the engine alone you're looking at an easy £1,200 - then add on the cost of management, fuelling, custom fab work, etc.
   
   You'd be best off going 16v and turboing it.
4. RyanBurrows19 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Mansfield Posts: 179 2003 Citroen Saxo Furio 1.4

   #4 18th April 2011, 22:08

   I've been told that a type r engine will fit with two different engine mounts. My mate has a vtr turbo. Cost him bout £2000 all in. VTS have the head gasket problems though. Just want easy quick performance!
5. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

   #5 18th April 2011, 23:27

   Easy quick, sell furio & buy a Vts.
6. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #6 18th April 2011, 23:38

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by RyanBurrows19 VTS have the head gasket problems though. Just want easy quick performance!

   New one to me. Never known anyone with hg issues, it's not a k series.
   
   Quick and easy performance isnt fitting an engine from another marque either. Not when you then have driveshafts and wiring to sort amongst other things.

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7. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

   #7 19th April 2011, 09:08

   who ever told you a ctr engine fits in with two different engine mounts is talking out there arse lol and again id like to know about these h/g problems
   as all ready said just biy a vts and start from there
8. Graemep Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2004 Warrington, Cheshire Posts: 11649 FN2 Civic Type-R

   #8 19th April 2011, 09:16

   Seems like you have been given alot of duff info mate
   
   As said cheapest and best option is to start with a vts engine and go from there

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9. kyle4256 Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 dundee Posts: 1844 saxo vts

   #9 19th April 2011, 16:54

   ive owned plenty vts's and ive never had head gasket problems.
10. mangojace Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Hampshire Posts: 1484

    #10 19th April 2011, 17:12

    When you say you want big power increase what are you looking at? Would cost alot more to drop a k20 lump in than vts your car and supercharge/turbo it! Loads to think about,its not a straight fit!
11. user_35090 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 west mids (dudley) Posts: 1201 cammed 106 flatty

    #11 19th April 2011, 18:25

    vts engine, full rebuild with forged internals then either turbo or supercharged route = big power increase,
    
    or do the honda civic type r engine conversion in the boot then equip it with a supercharger almost have an arial atom then....
12. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #12 19th April 2011, 19:03

    seen a 27 litre Rolls Royce fitted into a Rover saloon if you want real power, but no way a straight fit. Question is how much are you prepared to spend,how much power do you need and most importantly, are you able to sort out the bullshit pub/internet merchants from the people who have done the conversions before?
13. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #13 19th April 2011, 19:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 seen a 27 litre Rolls Royce fitted into a Rover saloon if you want real power, but no way a straight fit. Question is how much are you prepared to spend,how much power do you need and most importantly, are you able to sort out the bullshit pub/internet merchants from the people who have done the conversions before?

    ran out of thanks............ so here you go
14. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

    #14 19th April 2011, 21:34

    Big power increase from a 1.4 is asking for trouble, work your way up mate. Buy a VTS and wiat till you need more from that, then turbo/supercharge it.

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15. RyanBurrows19 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Mansfield Posts: 179 2003 Citroen Saxo Furio 1.4

    #15 20th April 2011, 15:56

    aint it easier to turbo a vtr than vts
16. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #16 20th April 2011, 16:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RyanBurrows19 aint it easier to turbo a vtr than vts

    i hope so thats my plan over next year hopefully
17. Russ_16v Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Wiltshire Posts: 164 Clio 172 Exclusive

    #17 20th April 2011, 16:11

    if you are doing it properly then i wouldnt say turbocharging one is easier than the other.
    
    Bear in mind with engine conversions - ie type r - you not only have to make the engine fit, you need to think of driveshafts that mate the saxo hubs and the Honda box, the management to run it, custom mounts, driveshaft height - too high or low will cause problems - then there is the extra weight over the front which wont help weight distribution - the list goes on and on.
    
    Id buy a VTS, with decent breathing mods alone they are very capeable cars and a huge jump from a 1.4
18. RyanBurrows19 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Mansfield Posts: 179 2003 Citroen Saxo Furio 1.4

    #18 20th April 2011, 22:37

    Hi, after few thoughts think I'm gonna go for VTS engine, what else would I need? And to change?
19. Russ_16v Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Wiltshire Posts: 164 Clio 172 Exclusive

    #19 21st April 2011, 12:55

    Pop that into a the search function mate, that is probably the most frequently asked question on here.
    
    If it was me id sell and just buy a VTS - then you will have VTS spec everything, brakes, suspension, interior etc - unless all of that you have already upgraded on yours.
20. user_35090 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 west mids (dudley) Posts: 1201 cammed 106 flatty

    #20 21st April 2011, 13:52

    insurance may be a problem for a vts for him....
    
    but yea i back you mate get a vts engine with breathing mods, or if you fancy doing the turbo conversion you will have quite a powerful car.
21. Gareth_R Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Basildon, Essex Posts: 1042 Citroen AX VTS

    #21 21st April 2011, 14:43

    insurance on a car with an engine conversion isnt exactly happy times, and besides, if you buy a vts rather than doing a conversion, there will be more insurance companies that will actually cover you!