camms

8th May 2011, 18:02

im thinking about getting some newman cams for my vts and after a few hours of scrawling through this site i thing im sold on the ph3's. i realise i will need a remap but do i need pulleys etc? and how much more would it cost for stand alone ecu, as this might come in usefull in the future, cheers and sorry if its a noob question

8th May 2011, 18:04

Stand alone's ain't cheap, About £500.

8th May 2011, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Bikekid450

Stand alone's ain't cheap, About £500.

right thats the stand alone out the window then, i hear a lot about them but never seen them for sale and wouldnt now where to look so wasnt sure

8th May 2011, 18:17

just been looking for an s1 box too but cant see any. i saw 1 about 2weeks ago that went for 200 quid think this may be a good option before the remap

8th May 2011, 18:52

dragged this off newman website:
PHASE 1 (PH1) ROAD CAMSHAFT
This is a camshaft that would be used for road use and will normally run with standard carb or injection system and can be fitted without
additional tuning equipment. It is meant for town use and will have a smooth tick-over and will give its increase in power in the low midrange.
Other modifications to the engine will increase the performance of this cam.
PHASE 2 (PH2) FAST ROAD CAMSHAFT
This is a camshaft for increasing mid-range of the engines and is meant for mild competition use and where the driver requires an
increase of power in the mid-range without suffering too much loss of power in the low-range. The tick-over will be heavier than a standard
engine. The fuel system may have to be modified and the cam will work to its optimum with modifications to the cylinder head,
inlet/exhaust system and possibly the management system.
PHASE 3 (PH3) FAST ROAD RALLY
This type of camshaft is really the limit for normal road use. It will require fuel system and management modifications. It will have a
noticeable loss of low-down power and the tick-over will be heavy. For competition use, where mid-range power is important and road
use where the maximum power is required.

where it says It will require fuel system and management modifications. on the ph3 does this just mean remap or injectors, feul pressure regulator etc?

8th May 2011, 19:20

newman ph3 it is will be buying on payday. im gonna have the belt done too just wondering about head gasket could i do this at the same time as it would give piece of mind.

8th May 2011, 19:46

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Originally Posted by tony5haw1988

newman ph3 it is will be buying on payday. im gonna have the belt done too just wondering about head gasket could i do this at the same time as it would give piece of mind.

it might be worth doing tbh mate if you've got the head basically in bits as it is.
have you thought about catcam 708's? kinda the same as PH3's but cheaper I think.

...waiting on someone to come and correct me

8th May 2011, 20:01

havnt looked at them mate never heard of them but i will look into them now

8th May 2011, 20:50

708's are usually a tad more expensive due to exchange rate iirc.

kent cams are more expensive, mainly for the name imo.

I settled on ph3, will still see gains without remap, but advise the map for best out of the cams and sort out any flat spots etc.

8th May 2011, 21:24

when fitting these is it a simple case of line up the marks as it is with standard cams?

8th May 2011, 21:28

Timing spec is all on the newman website, although i would use standard timings untill you get it mapped otherwise will be cutting out all the time.

8th May 2011, 21:29

wont it sacrafice a lot of the power gains running on standard timing?

8th May 2011, 21:37

Need a remap to get best out of the cams, i wouldnt bother fitting unless you are planning to get it mapped, standard timings will be ok untill you have it mapped, will still notice gains mid to high, and will notice loss of power low down...

8th May 2011, 21:39

Dont rule out standalone, youll get more out of standalone than just remapping the std ecu

Look at getting a predator, £500 gets you the ECU and mapping time with Andy (correct if wrong please)

You could be looking around £500 just for a decent remap of your oem ecu anyway

PH3's and 708's are akin, 708's tend to be the cheaper option for the same gains

8th May 2011, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Oc2

Dont rule out standalone, youll get more out of standalone than just remapping the std ecu

Look at getting a predator, £500 gets you the ECU and mapping time with Andy (correct if wrong please)

You could be looking around £500 just for a decent remap of your oem ecu anyway

PH3's and 708's are akin, 708's tend to be the cheaper option for the same gains

i havnt got too much money to spend at once so would it be a wiser move to go with stand alone then go for cams at a later date if needs be? what kinda gains will just a stand alone get me?

8th May 2011, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Oc2

PH3's and 708's are akin, 708's tend to be the cheaper option for the same gains

newman ph3 tend to be cheaper fella

8th May 2011, 21:45

Cant see a stand alone getting much of a gain. Would say youd be better getting the ecu last as its the bit that ties all other mods together.

Im assuming youve done all the breathing mods already you see, might be wise to buy the cams now, leave them unfitted, then get the ecu when you can and do the lot in one go

8th May 2011, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Oli_K

newman ph3 tend to be cheaper fella

Cheers for clearing it up oli

my bad

8th May 2011, 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony5haw1988

i havnt got too much money to spend at once so would it be a wiser move to go with stand alone then go for cams at a later date if needs be? what kinda gains will just a stand alone get me?

Wouldnt do that mate, get the cams bought and fitted, i ran mine for circa 3 months before i had it mapped.

If you dont go standalone your limited to where you can have it mapped, i would only have wayne at chipwizards remap a std ECU.

Depends what your after, standalone you would be able to take to your next car...

I would go Omex, but roughly 2k for the ecu and map...

Could get a predetor ecu and map, but i believe this is still only single plug although 3 plug is on its way?

I had my std ecu mapped by wayne for £350, he charges more than this now, 450/500 iirc

8th May 2011, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Oli_K

Wouldnt do that mate, get the cams bought and fitted, i ran mine for circa 3 months before i had it mapped.

If you dont go standalone your limited to where you can have it mapped, i would only have wayne at chipwizards remap a std ECU.

Depends what your after, standalone you would be able to take to your next car...

I would go Omex, but roughly 2k for the ecu and map...

Could get a predetor ecu and map, but i believe this is still only single plug although 3 plug is on its way?

I had my std ecu mapped by wayne for £350, he charges more than this now, 450/500 iirc

im not sure what single plug means mate sorry for being a bit clueless but i gotta learn somewhere lol

8th May 2011, 22:00

just checked out predator eu site and the gains with a decent manifold and de-cat look good tbf considering i could add cams later too

8th May 2011, 22:32

Sorry mate, it says you have a ph2 vts so assuming its 3 plug, although early mk2 v and before iirc had single plug engines.

just have a look how many 'plugs' the ecu conection has.

8th May 2011, 22:34

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Originally Posted by tony5haw1988

just checked out predator eu site and the gains with a decent manifold and de-cat look good tbf considering i could add cams later too

Will need to be remapped again after adding cams though, not cost efficient.

8th May 2011, 22:40

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Originally Posted by Oli_K

Sorry mate, it says you have a ph2 vts so assuming its 3 plug, although early mk2 v and before iirc had single plug engines.

just have a look how many 'plugs' the ecu conection has.

o ok mate i get you now its a 2003 vts so probs 3 plug then.

8th May 2011, 22:44

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Originally Posted by tony5haw1988

o ok mate i get you now its a 2003 vts so probs 3 plug then.

Yes mate, definatly unless someone has changed it before you had it, unlikely.

8th May 2011, 22:46

really wanna get an s1 box too anybody know anywhere or anyone who has 1 for sale?

8th May 2011, 22:50

need to have 100 posts and be a member for 30 days to get access to the for sale section. No spamming

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8th May 2011, 22:51

is there anyway round this? id happily pay if i new there was said item in there

8th May 2011, 22:53

Not sure if buying premium gets you instant access, have a look.

Also unaware if anyone has one for sale.

Imo id get a 1.1 box.. but thats just me.

8th May 2011, 22:56

why a 1.1 my vts engine would kill it wouldnt it? and i belive they are simalar anyway might be wrong

8th May 2011, 23:04

hmm just realised how cheap 1.1 box's are. will it die fast as it a lot of power put through it and is it a straight swap?

8th May 2011, 23:04

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8th May 2011, 23:20

williams vts has offered to fit cams new cam belt new head gasket and get the head skimmed for a very resonable price so i think its the ph3's after all then wait a month for remap

8th May 2011, 23:27

Sorry for some reason i thought you had a vtr when i posted that last post, 1.1 box has similar ratios as vts, yes they are weaker too, probably best to stay with the vts box or get the rallee box you were talking about.

Drove a 106gti with a 1.1 box and felt pretty quick though

8th May 2011, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony5haw1988

williams vts has offered to fit cams new cam belt new head gasket and get the head skimmed for a very resonable price so i think its the ph3's after all then wait a month for remap

Thats what id do.

8th May 2011, 23:30

deffs goin with cams and remap. just wanna find mysef a s1 box now then maybee some coilovers and a 4-2-1 manifold

8th May 2011, 23:32

might give the 1.1 box a go for the sake of 90 quid if it works it will be a good mod plus id get that back for the vts box if its better. and if all fails il just put vts box back on iv lost out on more in the past.