turbo or stick with n/a

11th May 2011, 17:43

just contemplating on turbo instead of cams s1 box and remap granted is more expensive but a lot more bank for my buck, what kinda boost can you run on de-comp plate and standerd internals ?

11th May 2011, 17:45

how much money do you have to spend?

11th May 2011, 17:49

probs bou 2grand over a few months and i can get a lot of work done myself

11th May 2011, 17:52

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Originally Posted by tony5haw1988

probs bou 2grand over a few months and i can get a lot of work done myself

right, a tight budget build is poss but would have to make a lot yourself and pick up bargains left right and centre.

take a look at my project thread to see whats involved.

11th May 2011, 17:55

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Originally Posted by dannygti

right, a tight budget build is poss but would have to make a lot yourself and pick up bargains left right and centre.

take a look at my project thread to see whats involved.

cool il take a look might be easier buying a low millage vts lump and starting from scratch i think.

11th May 2011, 18:12

Evereyday the same thread.

11th May 2011, 18:18

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Originally Posted by J222JRA

Evereyday the same thread.

sorry was just after some advice

will have more money to put into project if i need it as il just build this over time but tbf i think 2k is a decent starting point.

11th May 2011, 18:25

easily do-able on 2k if doing work your self, mines budget boost

sois danny's, danny's done alot more work tbf as he made most of his kit up where as i found a kit at a good price and went from there

11th May 2011, 18:34

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

easily do-able on 2k if doing work your self, mines budget boost

sois danny's, danny's done alot more work tbf as he made most of his kit up where as i found a kit at a good price and went from there

what kit did you go for in the end then?

11th May 2011, 18:38

i bought a kit off here that a lad in ireland had custom made, he was selling at a very decent price so i bought it instead of spec'in my on up, saved me alot of hassle tbh

11th May 2011, 18:47

im just gonna start with big bits then get down to the niggly bits later turbo, intercooler,mani and downpipe to start with then start hunting for parts. what turbo u running?

12th May 2011, 08:39

you should create a shopping list first mate to know exactly everything you need.

hunt for bargains mate and you will do it under 2grand. i have.

13th May 2011, 10:49

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Originally Posted by stevo1600

you should create a shopping list first mate to know exactly everything you need.

hunt for bargains mate and you will do it under 2grand. i have.

shopping list starts the end of this month matey any advice on the cheaper options of the parts that i need would be greatly appreciated

13th May 2011, 10:54

this may be a stupid question but what are differences between deisel turbo chargers and petrol?

13th May 2011, 10:57

look on ebay there a guy selling his turbo set up of his vtr turbo spotted up on here other day but dont know if the thread been locked yet

heres part of it check his other items for rest
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Saxo-106-Turbo...item27baee8aec

13th May 2011, 11:04

dont really know to be honest mate never looked into it.

buy a petrol turbocharger though mate

13th May 2011, 11:06

i imagine that diesel turbos will spin up to max rpm faster with being less revs to go through but i personnally dont know

13th May 2011, 11:11

just checked out the mf2 on ebay and looks well. is it ok to run a standard ecu just remapped or go for predetor or simalar

13th May 2011, 11:13

dont know mate its proply best to ask the seller he on here somewere ask him wat he was running

13th May 2011, 11:22

right so far list is
-turbo
-intercooler
-oil cooler
-de-comp plate
-manifold
-downpipe
-oil feed and return
-ecu
-pipe work for all the above

thats what im starting with and hope to all of this by the end of june any suggestions please comment

13th May 2011, 11:32

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Originally Posted by tony5haw1988

right so far list is
-turbo
-intercooler
-oil cooler
-de-comp plate
-manifold
-downpipe
-oil feed and return
-ecu
-pipe work for all the above

thats what im starting with and hope to all of this by the end of june any suggestions please comment

add this to your list

sandwich plate
modified sump
boost gauge
hose clips
gaskets
new head studs
hew head gasket
perhaps a different exhaust system

lots of others that ive forgot lol

13th May 2011, 11:33

will he not need a 5th injector

13th May 2011, 11:36

yeah will get down to most of that the following month so around july ish. as for sandwich plate what is this? u must understand that i am goin to be learning a lot of this stuff along the way and i really want to learn as i hate being the noob who wants to do it but cant, im alreaddy quite handy with a spanner and can do most things myself, il be waiting untill im confident do take all of this on myself with a helping hand from a friend who is a time served mechanic.

13th May 2011, 11:38

you mite be best off giving it a read of some of the turbo/ supercharged threads you will learn quite a bit from it and what you will from them

13th May 2011, 11:39

sandwich plate is what you need when you run an oil cooler. it allows you to run the 2 outlets to the oil cooler and back.

he wont need a 5th injector if he runs a standalone ecu which i STRONGLY reccomend. in that case you will need 4x larger injectors.

13th May 2011, 11:40

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Originally Posted by carlsmith715

you mite be best off giving it a read of some of the turbo/ supercharged threads you will learn quite a bit from it and what you will from them

yeah been reading through them a bit the last week but the pictures of shinny things destract me lol but yeah i will mate

13th May 2011, 11:41

haha im same on the threads i read loads as i plan to supercharge my vtr engine in the future some time

13th May 2011, 11:44

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Originally Posted by dannygti

sandwich plate is what you need when you run an oil cooler. it allows you to run the 2 outlets to the oil cooler and back.

he wont need a 5th injector if he runs a standalone ecu which i STRONGLY reccomend. in that case you will need 4x larger injectors.

so using the sanwich plate the lines that come off this go where im guessing turbo then returned to sump

13th May 2011, 11:45

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Originally Posted by carlsmith715

haha im same on the threads i read loads as i plan to supercharge my vtr engine in the future some time

where is tyldseley, and why charger and not turbo mate what swayed you?

13th May 2011, 11:50

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Originally Posted by tony5haw1988

so using the sanwich plate the lines that come off this go where im guessing turbo then returned to sump

no the two outlets are to go TO your oil cooler and then onto your filter then back to the sandwich plate.

the oil feed will come directly form the engine. either on the side of the head or the T off the oil pressure switch. the drain will come off the bottom of your turbo into the sump.

13th May 2011, 11:52

i dont know to be honest just like the sound of them and it always being running and needing to spool up but im still in two minds weather i want to turbo or charge it and do you know tyldesley at all

13th May 2011, 11:58

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Originally Posted by carlsmith715

i dont know to be honest just like the sound of them and it always being running and needing to spool up but im still in two minds weather i want to turbo or charge it and do you know tyldesley at all

no mate just wondered where abouts in the uk it was, and i like the idea of a supercharger but my mate had a mk2 golf vith a 2.9 v6 in it and he supercharged that and he said it was nails to do and wishes he went for turbo dunno y

13th May 2011, 12:00

i may change my mind yet i dont know got plenty of time to think about it

and its in greater manchester

13th May 2011, 12:04

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Originally Posted by dannygti

no the two outlets are to go TO your oil cooler and then onto your filter then back to the sandwich plate.

the oil feed will come directly form the engine. either on the side of the head or the T off the oil pressure switch. the drain will come off the bottom of your turbo into the sump.

oh i get you now, just been looking at google images. so if i take the feed from the t on pressure switch what will i need to buy or make up?

13th May 2011, 12:07

take a look at my thread lads. lots to see in there. towards the end of the thread though.

also,
simo
adzvtr
colin from atspeed
manc
saunderz
blackie_2k5
steve1600
andy k
bigcalturbo
sliderz

all have boosted projects. (sorry if i missed you out.)

13th May 2011, 12:08

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Originally Posted by tony5haw1988

oh i get you now, just been looking at google images. so if i take the feed from the t on pressure switch what will i need to buy or make up?

you can make one up yourself but ATspeed racing will sell them

13th May 2011, 12:09

have a look in Saxo Engine & Performance FAQ threads there is two usefull guides there and also check out these peoples threads stevo 1600, adzvtr, dannygti, black_2k5, andy_k, simo, bigcalturbo, thats just a few but all full of info on there threads, also add a clutch and better brakes to your list as that always seem to get mist out

13th May 2011, 13:32

DO NOT BUY THE MF2+SIGCON AND 5TH INJECTOR SHITE. I HAVE AND REGRET IT MASSIVELY. SAVE FOR THE PREDATOR AND 4 NEW INJECTORS.

just so you get the hint. dont buy mf2 its to much ball ache.

i know its cheaper, but its not worth it.

13th May 2011, 13:37

Its best to mention the dastek management aswel. as im sure this is cheaper than a pred but better than mf2 + sigcon.

something to look into management wise mate.

13th May 2011, 14:02

all the thread listed above have lots of good info in them, but if looking for a summerisation check out dannys, as he's nearing completion from a very short buid time, and also mine and stevo1600 as weve both just made new threads which are still fairly short and have alot of info within a short space of reading

13th May 2011, 20:08

Best thing you can do is read what other people are doing, and also asking the people in the know about stuff, and google everything else

IMO you should start with literally reading up on what a turbo is, how it works, the different parts etc etc then look at the specifics of saxo's. Gives you a much better understanding of what you're doing and what you are trying to achieve.

Also, don't piss in the wind and guess with what you will need to lower the compression, have someone like ferriday if you get a decomp from them to work out the CR, then you can tell your mapper what it is and know what boost to run

Then as above - make a list. Include everything. On mine I have things like inlet and exhaust mani gaskets, the nuts to hold the mani's on, flywheel and clutch bolts, extra pipes for the water feed and to plum in a header tank. Some parts will be limited on what you can save on but you need to tally it all up first and know what you're spending

Lastly, if you don't want standalone then go dastek. I got mine second hand for £100 with boost module and have been quoted £200 plus at to fit and map. Much better than mf2 and sigcon route IMO