VTS conversion, finaly found one i think :S

1. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

   #1 21st May 2011, 18:54

   Found a VTS engine with 40k on the clock to replace my VTR. Main reason is due to this sodding misfire....makes life easier . he states it 'comes as a complete engine, with wiring loom, ecu, chip key & transponder, water pipes, mount, air box, all ancillarys etc' and he has the gearbox aswell, but i suppose i may aswell just use the vtr one .
   
   Anything else id need other than a VTS manifold (i assume i need a VTS manifold....) and possible VTS radiator? Also, will it pass MOT ok? or will the emissions be off or something silly?
   
   Cheers
2. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

   #2 21st May 2011, 18:56

   you mite aswell get the gearbox aswell if its on 40k and you getting it cheap
   you could just sell it on and make some money back
3. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

   #3 21st May 2011, 19:19

   The gear box is a seperate item to be fair, il see how much it goes for at the time (auction im afraid) But if it goes for say, 50 quid id probs buy it. But then again...I dont need it as mine seems pretty fine atm . Id have to take it off anyways so id get myself a clutch kit.
4. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

   #4 21st May 2011, 19:29

   Get the box, the vtr box will dull the performance of the vts the ratios are too long.
   
   Assuming youve mached the looms it will be plug and play. Vts rad is better but itll run on the vtr fine
5. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

   #5 21st May 2011, 19:43

   Well its an 02 car same as mine, which is why this ones perfect .
   
   The VTR box would make for better performance....well better acceleration. as the ratios are shorter
   
   Anyone know of about the manifold etc?
6. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

   #6 21st May 2011, 19:44

   Exhaust manifold*
7. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

   #7 21st May 2011, 20:28

   Ooo just looking at a few threads and i will deffinately need a manifold, and the centre section as thats where the cat is . Whereas its in the manifold in my VTR.
8. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

   #8 21st May 2011, 20:56

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stured Well its an 02 car same as mine, which is why this ones perfect . The VTR box would make for better performance....well better acceleration. as the ratios are shorter Anyone know of about the manifold etc?

   No, the vtr box has one of the longest ratios along with the diesel box. Its pants!
9. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

   #9 21st May 2011, 21:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by ryanmt No, the vtr box has one of the longest ratios along with the diesel box. Its pants!

   Just had a search, maybe i was wrong ha! swear i read it different somwhere on the forums. I suppose id get better motorway fuel economy from the vtr box however, worse urban .
10. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #10 21st May 2011, 21:06

    if youve got an 02 vtr your radiator is probably the same as a vts one anyway. you'll need a vts exhaust and im another one who'll recomend you get the vts box as well
11. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

    #11 21st May 2011, 21:16

    Well il try for the vts box from the same guy then Probably looking at a 400 quid max spend on this engine? Not sure on its vale realy but it looks all there! Except the exhaust manifold. What from my vtr can i keep when it comes to the exhaust, just the back box? Litteraly bought a new exhaust the other day as mine fell off oh well...wasted 40 quid!
12. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #12 21st May 2011, 21:18

    will be faster with the vts box. if your after fuel economy then the vtr box will be better (although you mayaswell get a vtr engine if your after fuel economy)
    
    vts radiator is bigger. ive heard it may overheat with vtr radiator on a vts engine. you need the vts top hose for the radiator i think. you only need the manifold & possibly down pipe. from the centre pipe backwards its all the same
    
    are you sure you have a matching plug ecu car for the engine you are about to buy?
13. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

    #13 21st May 2011, 21:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak will be faster with the vts box. if your after fuel economy then the vtr box will be better (although you mayaswell get a vtr engine if your after fuel economy) vts radiator is bigger. ive heard it may overheat with vtr radiator on a vts engine. you need the vts top hose for the radiator i think. you only need the manifold & possibly down pipe. from the centre pipe backwards its all the same are you sure you have a matching plug ecu car for the engine you are about to buy?

    Yeh i heard they run hot too. thinking of it its a stupid question, i need the centre section aswell to get the CAT. otherwise i wont pass mot.
    
    The ECU comes with the engine im hopefully buying, he also says it has the chip key and transponder...so i take it i can swap the chip from my car key and then swap the transponder in the passenger side dash? Will this be ok with central locking too?
14. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #14 21st May 2011, 21:45

    as lee sais, the 3 plug vtr radiator is the same as the vts radiator, only single plugs havethe shorter shitter rad
    
    and with ryan and other the vts box is the one to have, youd be better off buying/fitting the s box and selling the R box
15. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

    #15 21st May 2011, 22:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 as lee sais, the 3 plug vtr radiator is the same as the vts radiator, only single plugs havethe shorter shitter rad and with ryan and other the vts box is the one to have, youd be better off buying/fitting the s box and selling the R box

    ooo realy? Well theres some cash saved . i plan on breaking the engine i have, due to it having the mis fire. Wreckon id get alot for the head, bottom end etc?
16. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #16 21st May 2011, 22:33

    be better off advertising it as a whole for £100 or so with loom and ecu et
17. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #17 21st May 2011, 22:59

    vtr engines dont sell for much at all these days
    
    wack it on ebay and see what it gets
18. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #18 21st May 2011, 23:01

    i bought a fully working vtr engine with loom ecu key and barrel and clocks for £130 delivered to my door step
19. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

    #19 21st May 2011, 23:14

    Hmm....at least scrapage price for aly has gone up....
20. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #20 21st May 2011, 23:25

    vtr engine has about £8 worth of ally on it, £10 worth of cast, and a few £ scrap if your lucky
21. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

    #21 22nd May 2011, 18:27

    Was joking about the scrap
    
    Realy confused about this exhaust, seen a few conflicting posts so had a quick search on ebay for a VTS Cat. Some are underfloor cats which is what alot of posts suggested, however they only seem up until 2001. whereas cats like these (IE just like the one i fitted to my VTR a month ago) are stated as being for 2000-2004 VTRs AND VTS. Anyone in the know want to shed a little light for me?
22. c7borg Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Nottingham - UK Posts: 125 Saxo VTR

    #22 23rd May 2011, 14:36

    I would keep the old VTR engine and bits then you always have the option of returning it to original when you come to sell it and sell the VTS bits on separately.
23. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

    #23 23rd May 2011, 15:09

    Reason im changing it is because the old VTR Engine is leaking oil (Been in a garage 5 times to fix) and has a misfire across 3 cylinders (Done a couple of the usual to fix, others have the same problem without a fix and told the mechanics to chase the fault when it was in for its mot as i was fed up....bit of cash later and no fix). So thats why id wanna strip it for parts!
24. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #24 23rd May 2011, 15:13

    what youre going to need is a late model cat and centre section, you need the late cat which will have a hole for a second lambda, its a little longer than the early cat and the late centre section is a little shorter than the early one

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25. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

    #25 23rd May 2011, 16:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeM what youre going to need is a late model cat and centre section, you need the late cat which will have a hole for a second lambda, its a little longer than the early cat and the late centre section is a little shorter than the early one

    This is the sort of info/confirmation i was after . So all VTS CATS are under-floor then. Shame, my new back box and centre section arrived today...oh well, 40 quid wasted on the centre
26. ChrisandCarly Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Truro, Cornwall Posts: 124 Mk2 vts

    #26 23rd May 2011, 17:07

    do not put a vtr gearbox on it, its worse than the vts one mate
27. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #27 23rd May 2011, 20:40

    yep, ALL cats are underneath on the vts. 3 plugs have the longer cat, single plugs have shorter cat as they only have 1 lambda
28. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #28 23rd May 2011, 20:41

    what you can do is use youre full length vtr centre section to decat the car, give it a little bit more power and save shelling out for a vts cat and centre immediately
29. stured Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 York-Hull Posts: 222 Saxo VTR MK2

    #29 23rd May 2011, 20:54

    Cheers for all the help guys . Il be back if i get it...and come to try and fit it . So far the biddings just gone above 300. Not sure how much more it will go but i was probably thinking 400 ish quid for it....but then it appears that might not be enough ha! Im not sure on the value realy, still gotta get cam belt and clutch kit to make a decent job.