Saxo Starts Then Cuts Out Straight Away :(

1. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

   #1 15th June 2011, 16:18

   Hi Guys
   
   I know this has probably been asked plenty of times but I haven't got time to be looking for the answer /:
   
   So anyway I have a 1.1 mk1 saxo and when I try starting the car in the morning or after its been left for about 8ish hours it starts but then cuts out straight away unless I keep the car revving for a few minutes
   
   Any help to what it could be would be much appreciated
2. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

   #2 15th June 2011, 16:26

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Daaaaaniiel Hi Guys I know this has probably been asked plenty of times but I haven't got time to be looking for the answer /: So anyway I have a 1.1 mk1 saxo and when I try starting the car in the morning or after its been left for about 8ish hours it starts but then cuts out straight away unless I keep the car revving for a few minutes Any help to what it could be would be much appreciated

   could try cleaning the Idle Control Valve mate ?
   my car revs goes up and down like a YoYO but when i clean the ICV the car runs fine for a few month then starts to do it again so i clean it again, ive just ordered a new one as got bored off taking it off and on lol
3. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

   #3 15th June 2011, 16:31

   Probably a daft question but where can I find it? :L and what's the best way of cleaning it?
4. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

   #4 15th June 2011, 16:32

   im not sure on a 1.1 but give me a few mins il try find a pic, i used carb cleaner
5. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

   #5 15th June 2011, 16:33

   http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...+control+valve
   
   
   located on the throttle body
6. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

   #6 15th June 2011, 16:34

   Cheers buddy - had the problem for a while just never looked into it but now its time to sell the car so I'd rather get it sorted than lose out on money
7. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

   #7 15th June 2011, 16:35

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Daaaaaniiel Cheers buddy - had the problem for a while just never looked into it but now its time to sell the car so I'd rather get it sorted than lose out on money

   ahhh cool hopefully its the problem as it wont cost money if it turns out to be the ICV good luck buddy
8. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

   #8 15th June 2011, 16:45

   Hopefully yep btw is another name for the ICV the Idle control stepper motor?
9. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

   #9 15th June 2011, 16:49

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Daaaaaniiel Hopefully yep btw is another name for the ICV the Idle control stepper motor?

   um never heard off that tbh lol , all i know is its called idle control valve soz mate id imagine it is the same as its both says idle control, but dont count me on that though mate
10. williamanderson31 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Bourne, Lincs/Hatfield Posts: 829 Renault Megane 1.9Dci

    #10 15th June 2011, 17:01

    if its anything like mine, it wont be like that - i'm not exactly sure what it is on a mk1 1.1 - i think it might be a little black box on the front of the throttlebody but i dunno - deffo not like the one on that guide though
11. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #11 15th June 2011, 17:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamanderson31 if its anything like mine, it wont be like that - i'm not exactly sure what it is on a mk1 1.1 - i think it might be a little black box on the front of the throttlebody but i dunno - deffo not like the one on that guide though

    think the vtr/vts are different to a 1.1 but its on the throttle body of the car, just a little guide on where to look
12. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #12 15th June 2011, 17:09

    here a pic on a 1.1
    also idle control stepper motor is the idle control valve , been told different dealers all it different names i.e citroen call it idle control valve and peugeot call it idle control stepper motor , as been told
13. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

    #13 15th June 2011, 18:00

    Bloody torque screws are a nightmare to get out I've had no luck with it
14. williamanderson31 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Bourne, Lincs/Hatfield Posts: 829 Renault Megane 1.9Dci

    #14 15th June 2011, 20:45

    correct me if i am wrong, but is it the black boxy bit with the plug on, on the right in this pic:
    
    
    which is this bit:
    
15. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

    #15 16th June 2011, 09:31

    yeah thats the right part mate trying to get to the torque screws is proving a bit tricky atm
16. danny-vts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr

    #16 16th June 2011, 11:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adam19 could try cleaning the Idle Control Valve mate ? my car revs goes up and down like a YoYO but when i clean the ICV the car runs fine for a few month then starts to do it again so i clean it again, ive just ordered a new one as got bored off taking it off and on lol

    iv been doing this too, now i just leave it. means i have to sit there for a minute revving the car in the morning before i drive it lol
17. williamanderson31 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Bourne, Lincs/Hatfield Posts: 829 Renault Megane 1.9Dci

    #17 16th June 2011, 17:12

    haha - i realised today, mine is fine to start with, but after about a minute it goes crap, and then once its warm, it gets better again
18. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

    #18 16th June 2011, 18:11

    GREAT news - NOT one of the torque screws has jus rounded itself off anyone know how I can get around it now? /:
19. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #19 16th June 2011, 18:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Daaaaaniiel GREAT news - NOT one of the torque screws has jus rounded itself off anyone know how I can get around it now? /:

    oh dear isit completely rounded off ? how you manage that :/ ?
20. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

    #20 16th June 2011, 18:17

    I don't think so but the screws are in pretty tight /: and the screw was a lil but rusty so think it must have weekend it
21. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #21 16th June 2011, 18:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Daaaaaniiel I don't think so but the screws are in pretty tight /: and the screw was a lil but rusty so think it must have weekend it

    be so much easier if citroen used normal spanners instead of torque i wouldnt know what to suggest id leave it for a min, and coat it in wd40 then try again- but not too much that it be impossible to get off
22. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

    #22 16th June 2011, 18:25

    Ah I know its a pain think I'll have to take the cam cover off for easier access to it
23. muttonjeff L-plater Joined: May 2011 Posts: 57

    #23 16th June 2011, 18:26

    Its confusing.
    
    It isnt a valve.
    It does contain a stepper motor
24. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #24 16th June 2011, 18:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Daaaaaniiel Ah I know its a pain think I'll have to take the cam cover off for easier access to it

    oh it must be alot different from mine, mine takes a few minutes to take off
25. muttonjeff L-plater Joined: May 2011 Posts: 57

    #25 16th June 2011, 18:36

    make sure your using a T20
26. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

    #26 16th June 2011, 18:37

    Got any pics of yours? And yeah I am but I using those stupid ones that you can change for screw driver head etc cause I can't find my actual one
27. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #27 16th June 2011, 18:39

    mines same as the one in the first thread i sent, but vts not vtr, not sure about 1.1 though
28. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

    #28 16th June 2011, 18:42

    I would upload a pic of mine but using my phone for net so can't
29. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #29 16th June 2011, 18:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Daaaaaniiel I would upload a pic of mine but using my phone for net so can't

    ahh right , best option for me would be to leave the torque screws atm till you can find the ones that fit abit better mate just incase they round off properly and it be a pain to sort out then
30. Daaaaaniiel Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Cardiff Posts: 396 '98 Citroen Saxo X 1.1, 52 Plate 1.2 Renault Clio

    #30 16th June 2011, 19:00

    I just found the right one buts its still proving difficult even with the cam cover off so may just let the "pro's" deal with it
31. williamanderson31 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Bourne, Lincs/Hatfield Posts: 829 Renault Megane 1.9Dci

    #31 16th June 2011, 19:08

    for getting the bolts out try mole grips on the head or get one of the easy out type things to pull them out with a drill - if they are properly rounded off
    
    

    Quote:

    It isnt a valve. It does contain a stepper motor

    and yeh - i know what you mean - if you watch it when its working, it just adjusts the bit that sticks out
    it twists it which in turn pushes on the bit that holds the throttle cable (and therefore increases the revs)
    but i dont know how you could rectify the problem - whether the motor is dying or full of crap, or whether there is a dead sensor somewhere that is making the ecu think that it is idling fine or something similar??