R1 Carbs

1. user_32481 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Milk 'n' Beans (Milton Keynes, MK2) Posts: 3243 MK1 Trackin S engined R, 112.5 ATW, approx 135 ATF

   #1 22nd June 2011, 18:23

   Hey guys, looked and searched all over, cant find much.
   
   Been offered some R1 Carbs. Is it worth it tho? Much gain? A lot of work to put on?
   
   Thankies
2. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #2 22nd June 2011, 19:12

   carbs or bodies? if its carb then NO, theyre a nightmare to set up well and alot of trouble, the r6 bodies are better suited to the saxo engine from what ive read, and are more widely used, but if going the budget body route then morst use the gsxr 750/1000 bodies as sandy/cloin do an inlet etc for them, make good results on alot of cars from what ive seen
3. user_32481 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Milk 'n' Beans (Milton Keynes, MK2) Posts: 3243 MK1 Trackin S engined R, 112.5 ATW, approx 135 ATF

   #3 22nd June 2011, 19:28

   How can I get hold of Sandy/Colin? e.g username on here or website etc
4. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #4 22nd June 2011, 19:39

   don know colins user(if hes a member on here?) but im pretty sure sandy's is sandy309....
5. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

   #5 23rd June 2011, 18:08

   steer clear of carbs!. As said better of using bike or car TB's
6. bru1s3r Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Devon Posts: 117 Mk1 VTR

   #6 23rd June 2011, 18:11

   bogg brothers will do custom inlets for any body / carbs
7. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

   #7 23rd June 2011, 18:12

   Carbs are the nuts and work well, When I fit my R6 Carbs you'll see
8. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

   #8 23rd June 2011, 18:15

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bikekid450 Carbs are the nuts and work well, When I fit my R6 Carbs you'll see

   I dont need to see, i was using them about 5 years ago so i know myself
9. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #9 23rd June 2011, 18:15

   I wouldn't fit carbs to a Vts, they can work well but are a lot less 'efficient' and less 'precise' as modern fuel injected throttle bodies.
   
   Eg things such as warm up enrichment, inlet temp adjustable fueling, and various other adjustable fueling changes based on sensor readings
10. J222JRA Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield

    #10 23rd June 2011, 18:18

    When will people realise that Throttle Bodies and Carbs are different things???
11. bru1s3r Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Devon Posts: 117 Mk1 VTR

    #11 23rd June 2011, 18:19

    Carbs are quite a bit cheaper though aint they? and you can run them on standard ecu too.
12. J222JRA Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield

    #12 23rd June 2011, 18:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bru1s3r Carbs are quite a bit cheaper though aint they? and you can run them on standard ecu too.

    Carbs are old school and dont need an ecu!
    
    They also tend to be very unreliable......i have a few cars that run on carbs so can say that for a fact lol.
    
    Bike bodies ftw

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13. user_32481 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Milk 'n' Beans (Milton Keynes, MK2) Posts: 3243 MK1 Trackin S engined R, 112.5 ATW, approx 135 ATF

    #13 23rd June 2011, 18:27

    Its ok cos the person selling the carbs was a scammer and not on here now
14. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

    #14 23rd June 2011, 18:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J222JRA Carbs are old school and dont need an ecu! They also tend to be very unreliable......i have a few cars that run on carbs so can say that for a fact lol. Bike bodies ftw

    
    
    You still need the ecu for spark on a vts, or any other car that has no way of a manual spark
15. bru1s3r Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Devon Posts: 117 Mk1 VTR

    #15 23rd June 2011, 18:27

    Yeah i had an old gixxer and getting the carbs balanced wasnt a rare thing.
16. bru1s3r Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Devon Posts: 117 Mk1 VTR

    #16 23rd June 2011, 18:28

    Not a standalone ecu though, will be fine on standard.
17. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #17 23rd June 2011, 18:38

    carbs or a nightmare, you need boddies
18. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

    #18 23rd June 2011, 19:44

    People are WAY too quick to bad mouth carbs when they've never tried them on a VTS!
    Mine were fitting to a good engine which produced as good as if not more power than some Jenvey itb engines and had no running issues from cold start or when very hot or anything.
    BUT to fit them properly does cost decent money
19. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #19 23rd June 2011, 21:25

    i bad mouthed them as ive personally experienced the problems they can cause, personally seen how much proffesional tuners charge to set them up well(which is a must tbh), and personally seen how hard it was to get the car through an MOT, and that was before, MOT laws are ALOT stricter now, and knowing a mate that can for a crate will be a thing f the past before long (and this was the only way he got his through)
    
    alll be it not on a vts as you said (ph1 172)
    
    even when et up properly the fuel econemy is poor in comparison with bodies

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20. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #20 23rd June 2011, 21:56

    to run carbs you need megasquirt, ok on older engines but id say a nono on a saxo
21. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #21 23rd June 2011, 21:57

    ecu cant controll the spar on carbs.
    fireblade;s have bodies and can be used.
22. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #22 23rd June 2011, 21:57

    btw dont do it unless your going to to it all properly
23. petrolhead_19 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2010 preston Posts: 342 DRZ400 dual sport, cbr400rr

    #23 23rd June 2011, 22:22

    just so happens i have spare r6 carbs and cbr400 carbs lying around lol
    Iwas thinking of putting the r6 carbs on my vtr, but dont know yet wanted to find out if it makes a difference like OP.
    I know how to do it and how to set the carbs up (qualified motorbike mechanic ), and have all the special tools to do it like balancers, loads of spare jets etc
    
    Ill be watching this thread and seeing what other people say about them
24. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

    #24 23rd June 2011, 22:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by latza ecu cant controll the spar on carbs. fireblade;s have bodies and can be used.

    people run them on the standard ecu with the injectors disconnected!!. Its not the correct way of doing it though. Any aftermarket ignition only ecu will do or have the head modified to have a dizzy fitted. Thatsbeen done befor aswell!
25. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #25 24th June 2011, 19:45

    ppl can get them running well, but as mentioned many times in mnay threads.. its a backwards step in terms of tuning, with all the aggro you have buying/fitting/setting up the carbs, your not going to gain anything over using bodies, just as cheap to go budget, alot easier to set up, alot better to run, if mapped well alot easier to go for MOT
    
    and the clincher here.... will give better results of power/driveability in 8 out of ten cases
    
    and if your wondering, the 2 cases/execeptions would be the ppl who really want to run carbs and spend alot of money doing so... probably on a race/track car