saxo 156bhp?

1. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

   #1 23rd June 2011, 18:03

   hi, ive recently bought a saxo, ive been gven a dyno print of 156bhp by the previous owner. he has removed the manifold before i bought it, which manifold should i be loking for to retain this figure?
2. jones91 Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra

   #2 23rd June 2011, 18:04

   Try to get a raceland if you can
3. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

   #3 23rd June 2011, 18:07

   prefer janspeed IMO
4. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #4 23rd June 2011, 18:08

   ask him what mani it had on.... or tell us your budget
5. user_32481 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Milk 'n' Beans (Milton Keynes, MK2) Posts: 3243 MK1 Trackin S engined R, 112.5 ATW, approx 135 ATF

   #5 23rd June 2011, 18:08

   KamRacing are good for Janspeed at the min
6. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #6 23rd June 2011, 18:08

   I'd say raceland is good for the cost.
7. Gabbastard Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390

   #7 23rd June 2011, 18:09

   raceland imo. Cheap as shit, proven to flow well enough to gain a good bit of power across the board

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8. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

   #8 23rd June 2011, 18:10

   what else has been done to achieve the 156 bhp??
9. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

   #9 23rd June 2011, 18:39

   ful ashley race system, cammed, port + polish proper induction setup and a map
10. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #10 23rd June 2011, 18:40

    current redline sat at 8000 rpm is this safe on stock bottom end?
11. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #11 23rd June 2011, 18:40

    and i just want the best for power tbh
12. maddison_vts Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Torbay Posts: 1565 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #12 23rd June 2011, 18:47

    156bhp n/a on a standard inlet.... sounds like an accurate dyno...
13. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #13 23rd June 2011, 18:53

    it is, ive had it dyno'd at 3 different places all puttingout around the same,not sure if its had a standard inlet or not. ino its running higher fule pressure, bigger injectors but not sure on the actual inlet. theres £3500 worth of receipts with the car
14. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #14 23rd June 2011, 18:53

    its the top end which would suffer on a high rev limiter with stock parts...
15. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #15 23rd June 2011, 18:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by latza it is, ive had it dyno'd at 3 different places all puttingout around the same,not sure if its had a standard inlet or not. ino its running higher fule pressure, bigger injectors but not sure on the actual inlet. theres £3500 worth of receipts with the car

    pretty sure he means not throttle bodies
    
    
    post the dyno graphs up
16. rick_VTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2011 Abermule, Mid Wales. Posts: 2763 Corsa Rally Car & Fiesta ST

    #16 23rd June 2011, 18:59

    pretty impressive...
17. maddison_vts Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Torbay Posts: 1565 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #17 23rd June 2011, 19:00

    if you made that power at three different places yourself then why do you need to get the car back to that power?
    
    3,500K in receipts? i'd want platinum plated parts for that price with so little done!
18. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #18 23rd June 2011, 19:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by maddison_vts if you made that power at three different places yourself then why do you need to get the car back to that power? 3,500K in receipts? i'd want platinum plated parts for that price with so little done!

    im lol'ing at the first post which states hes bought the car and got a dyno print out given stating the power.... then goes on to say hes got it done himself 3 other places.... your statement just makes me laugh even more
    
    thanks needed

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19. MickyWelsh172 Established Member Joined: May 2010 Sunderland Posts: 1966 Clio Sport 172

    #19 23rd June 2011, 19:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 post the dyno graphs up

    The guy cant even post pics of his car, never mind Graph's
20. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #20 23rd June 2011, 19:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by maddison_vts 156bhp n/a on a standard inlet.... sounds like an accurate dyno...

    Yawn.
    
    156bhp not possible on standard inlet then, is it not?
    
    
    Actually, CBA talking about power figures on the forum, absolutely pointless. The guys told us the mods, which is what you think about when you hear a power figure anyway. We all have a general idea of how fast it is.
    
    
    
    Op.
    In reply to your thread, you're best off contacting the previous owner. As the car would of be mapped for that specific manifold, hence that one will give best results.
21. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

    #21 23rd June 2011, 19:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by maddison_vts if you made that power at three different places yourself then why do you need to get the car back to that power? 3,500K in receipts? i'd want platinum plated parts for that price with so little done!

    Just what i was thinking???
    
    Back on topic, ive had nearly all the aftermarket manifolds on the market for the 16v. I'd say i found the GMC 1 the best but they are steel and rusty
22. beardyboy Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 essex Posts: 157 2001 saxo vtr turbo

    #22 23rd June 2011, 21:01

    where abouts did u buy this car? sounds like a local 1 that was near me. blue mk1 by any chance?
23. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #23 23rd June 2011, 21:38

    i new the previous owner. thatswhen ive seen it rolling roaded. the manifold wasnt branded, it was a custom jobbie but was sold seperate before i bought it. thats y i want to no what i should replace it with.
24. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #24 23rd June 2011, 21:39

    anybody that doubts the car is welcome to come and have a look, ill even take them out
25. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

    #25 23rd June 2011, 21:43

    custom manifolds dont come cheap. No wonder you have 3.5k of reciepts!!. I'd just stick to a raceland or supersprint etc
26. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #26 23rd June 2011, 21:43

    so which manifold would you lot be looking out for
27. kristel10589 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5362

    #27 23rd June 2011, 21:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by maddison_vts 156bhp n/a on a standard inlet.... sounds like an accurate dyno...

    that is easily achievable on standard inlet.
28. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #28 23rd June 2011, 21:44

    sorry just seen the above. in my eperience with other cars racelands always been seen upon as a budget cheap option or is it differet in the saxo world
29. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

    #29 23rd June 2011, 21:46

    racelands have been proven on 180bhp plus engines
30. latza Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 126

    #30 23rd June 2011, 21:46

    and thanks kristle. i no there are alot of people boasting 150bh from an air filter etc but this cr really has had the works with no expense spaired. like i said above any doubters are welcome to come and view
31. maddison_vts Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Torbay Posts: 1565 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #31 23rd June 2011, 22:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kristel10589 that is easily achievable on standard inlet.

    i don't doubt that its achievable i doubt the fact its this power because it sounds like bull, doesn't know what parts are on the car or who did the work! to add to that if you were to sell a car as a 'quick' 156bhp car you wouldn't take off a key contributor to that power.
    
    i know that 156+ is achievable on a standard inlet as i did it myself. i've gone through many states of tune with my vts so i'd say its fair to say i've got a reasonable idea of what i'm talking about. i just find it hard to take this seriously
    
    tbh, i don't really care anyway!
32. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #32 24th June 2011, 00:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by maddison_vts i don't doubt that its achievable i doubt the fact its this power because it sounds like bull, doesn't know what parts are on the car or who did the work! to add to that if you were to sell a car as a 'quick' 156bhp car you wouldn't take off a key contributor to that power. i know that 156+ is achievable on a standard inlet as i did it myself. i've gone through many states of tune with my vts so i'd say its fair to say i've got a reasonable idea of what i'm talking about. i just find it hard to take this seriously tbh, i don't really care anyway!

    He said its cammed, induction kit, exhaust, remapped.
    Depending on the cams 156bhp isn't really an unrealistic figure.
    
    Seems like your just a keyboard warrior trying to spark an arguement with him.
    
    The manifold isn't the key contributer lol.
33. maddison_vts Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Torbay Posts: 1565 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #33 24th June 2011, 01:30

    so putting a standard manifold won't strangle the performance then? i briefly had a standard manifold on mine when it was cammed and it just felt choked. manifold is a massive part of it imo, they go hand in hand, you don't cam a car and not put a manifold on it! so yeah a key part of the power gain.
    
    yeah, if its been done properly(mapping) with the headwork then 156bhp would be more than achievable it just didn't sound gen to me.
    
    
    if you think i'm a keyboard warrior then great
34. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #34 24th June 2011, 07:56

    I'd buy a gmc. I had one of their 4-1 manis with 708s and a map plus exhaust and induction and it ran 152bhp all day long
35. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #35 24th June 2011, 08:01

    Well as it was custom made no manifold will be the same, but any 4-2-1 will be ok thrn really as you will not get the same one unless you get that custom one back
    
    Also as raceland cheap, some are bent abit too much so come up close to gear linkages sometimes.
    
    If you can afford a better one then go for it, but raceland are good, but they are not as good as others.
36. chee09 L-plater Joined: Dec 2009 wakefield Posts: 33 saxo furio

    #36 24th June 2011, 13:09

    asdasc
37. kristel10589 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5362

    #37 24th June 2011, 15:25

    The raceland mani flow gives same power as a supersprint. performance wise no difference, just a tiny bit better built.
38. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #38 24th June 2011, 19:51

    quite a few NE members, post up in the section if you havent already