Camming my vts!

1. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

   #1 28th June 2011, 12:36

   Rite I'm going to cam my vts and just wanna no what cams people recommend. Also if I do it should I get a re map straight the way or will it be ok for a month or two.
   
   Will I need any other parts apart from the cams?
   
   Cheers
2. Oc2 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Nottm. Posts: 924 Focus ST2 ASBO

   #2 28th June 2011, 14:49

   Newman PH3s are common place
   It would be alright to wait a month but you wont get nearly the potential of your machine untill its mapped propperly
   Go for some Truelock Vernier pulleys aswell
   
   Newman PH3
   
   Cat Cams True Lock
3. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

   #3 28th June 2011, 14:58

   Vts have adjustable cam pulleys anyway?
   
   Loads of people just install and leave them unmapped.. £150 for +10-15bhp or £150+£300-£600 for 15-20 bhp
   
   I know what i'd do .
4. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

   #4 28th June 2011, 15:34

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by saxova Vts have adjustable cam pulleys anyway? Loads of people just install and leave them unmapped.. £150 for +10-15bhp or £150+£300-£600 for 15-20 bhp I know what i'd do .

   Whats the -600 for lol I'm lost there
5. wolf_gsxr Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2010 wigan Posts: 778

   #5 28th June 2011, 15:46

   For mapping. The problem is the car will have a shit idle and will run abit ruff. A map makes the car run better and uses the full potential of the cam. Also what cams are you buying for a vts for 150? There 250 plus. I'd go for 708's or gmc's own brand of a very similar spec.
6. shell-vt Established Member Joined: Aug 2010 durham Posts: 1160 Jetta sport TDI. Saxo vts

   #6 28th June 2011, 15:51

   as above really.
7. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

   #7 28th June 2011, 16:09

   well ive been tempted by the newman 708's i was onli asking about the month gap because of funds but a remap is about 250 i guess
   
   also i was going to get my valve seats cut at angles apparently this will increase bhp?
   
   will the 708's drop straight in and wont have to replace any other engine parts?
8. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

   #8 28th June 2011, 16:11

   1 more thing i also have on the car 4-1 janspeed mani, magnex full system,bmc cda so if i cam it and remap what bhp estimate you rekon i would be near?
   
   cheers
9. gregMK L-plater Joined: Feb 2011 Milton keynes Posts: 31 saxo vtr

   #9 28th June 2011, 17:21

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by loz180691 1 more thing i also have on the car 4-1 janspeed mani, magnex full system,bmc cda so if i cam it and remap what bhp estimate you rekon i would be near? cheers

   give or take i reckon 145-160
10. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

    #10 28th June 2011, 17:25

    I have bought a new run round for the mrs vts. I have some 708 cams to fit. No plans to get it mapped at all.
11. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

    #11 28th June 2011, 17:51

    My car has 708's and i have been in a one with newman PH3's and couldnt tell the difference lol both very quick... with good breathing mods and a good map you should deffo see over 145bhp
12. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

    #12 28th June 2011, 18:00

    Have all you people literally just swapped the cams over from the standard ones?
13. e8_pqck Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo

    #13 28th June 2011, 18:12

    you will need some gasket sealant, a small torque wrench that goes down low - i had to borrow one that did 10 ft lbs or what ever it was..
14. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

    #14 28th June 2011, 18:34

    That's brill mate have you had any running problems since the cams went in?
15. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #15 28th June 2011, 18:47

    Also what cams are you buying for a vts for 150? There 250 plus. I'd go for 708's or gmc's own brand of a very similar spec.[/QUOTE]
    
    I was referring to second hand ones off here mate
16. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

    #16 28th June 2011, 18:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxova Also what cams are you buying for a vts for 150? There 250 plus. I'd go for 708's or gmc's own brand of a very similar spec.

    I was referring to second hand ones off here mate [/QUOTE]
    
    i was going to get 708's from kam racing i dno where some cams are for 150
17. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #17 28th June 2011, 19:04

    I'm not sure if there's any for sale atm, but ones i've seen go for around 150.. looked in the for sale ?
18. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

    #18 28th June 2011, 19:09

    yer sounds ok i would kind of like brand new ones though
19. user_28362 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 5306 911 Turbo

    #19 28th June 2011, 19:59

    Atspeed had an offer on 708's , gmc also have some good price cams
    
    I use the 708's
20. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

    #20 28th June 2011, 21:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jonathon5 Atspeed had an offer on 708's , gmc also have some good price cams I use the 708's

    Oh rite cheers I'll take a look at that
21. user_28362 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 5306 911 Turbo

    #21 28th June 2011, 23:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by loz180691 Oh rite cheers I'll take a look at that

    You will need to sort a few other parts to benefit from the cams
22. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

    #22 29th June 2011, 07:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jonathon5 You will need to sort a few other parts to benefit from the cams

    What would that be mate?
23. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #23 29th June 2011, 20:17

    why you do the cams might aswell change waterpump and cambelt while doing cams, i put catcams 708s in mine, havent had it mapped yet but can notice the differance higher up the rev range, idle aint too bad but it does have its days when it idles badly but thats prob down the ICV , but id go for 708`s IMO
24. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #24 1st July 2011, 09:08

    is it worth doing the waterpump? do they have issues? I'm new to the entire saxo thing!
    
    Mine is cammed and it's as lumpy as a lumpy thing on idle!
25. loz180691 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rugby Posts: 911 NaNa Gti

    #25 1st July 2011, 17:48

    I've just done my pump and belt lol kind of annoying ah well
26. dannyboivts Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 20

    #26 2nd July 2011, 20:00

    i have ph3's and mine idle realy bad and runs a lil rough but when ur in the up range they certain kick the ass off the standard kit