bit more power ??

9th July 2011, 14:14

ave got a saxo vts 2001 woundered if any one can hep me ave got 2000 to spead and wantin it to reach about 160 bhp ive read few pages but just want it puttin plain and simple with out reading pages and pages as im not much ov a reader any tips ??

9th July 2011, 14:25

Cams
Throttlebodys
Full exhaust system/decat

or

Nitrous

or

Turbo.

Cba writing and writing

.

9th July 2011, 14:35

how much am i lookin for gettin a basic turbo i know a bloke who can fit um so fittins not a problem nowt to big just summit to gimme tht lil bit more power

9th July 2011, 14:35

I would get throttle bodies I want some on a 16v by the sounds of some progress threads they are very good fun

9th July 2011, 14:40

yea am debating on either gettin a basic turbo set up or just get throttle bodie and cams and so on un less i can get the turbo kit for less thn 1500 whitch i dont think i will

9th July 2011, 14:42

The dp engineering kit starts at like £1500, cituning is cheapet iirc. Get a predator ecu to run it, £500. Then you need to budget for a intercooler, boost pipe, dump valve, decomp plate/forged pistons and all the other bits I've forgotten.

Could build a nice boddied car for around 2k mind

9th July 2011, 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by hypa_g

how much am i lookin for gettin a basic turbo i know a bloke who can fit um so fittins not a problem nowt to big just summit to gimme tht lil bit more power

Not just a case of getting a Turbo and bolting it on mate

Have a search on here, plenty of threads on it.

The more reliable you want, the most it will cost

Looking at probably £2k upwards for a half decent setup judging by other threads on here

Personally I would go down the cams and boddies route, still likely looking at 2k for both but will be more reliable and less of a ballache

9th July 2011, 14:45

Nitrous nitrous nitrous!

£500 for all you need, even the brand new kit's are £670.

And you choose when to use it, rather than using extra fuel ALL the time with cams/bodies/turbo.

9th July 2011, 14:48

yea thts wot im thinkin mate just be nice to ave a turbo but think cams and other stuff is the way forward cheers(Y)

9th July 2011, 15:03

Go for it!

However my mate spent almost 2k on his GTI for pug1off to put cam's (followers+pullys too) in it, and a full exhaust system + remapped..

And my shitbox stripped 8v with a full system + 1.1 gearbox kept upto him to 0-100mph! Which he was pissed at. The difference really wasn't worth the 2k!

We did this 'test' 3 times so it wasn't unfair, eg me getting on power before him. Same outcome..

And he got <40miles from £10 of fuel, whereas I got 70 from my £10 (harsh driving).

Just to add to his anger, he later sold the car after less than a year of having it with the mod's for £500.

Going to put a nitrous kit on my 8v very soon, which I will simply take off and re-fit to my next car.

Team 8v ftw!

9th July 2011, 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxova

Go for it!

However my mate spent almost 2k on his GTI for pug1off to put cam's (followers+pullys too) in it, and a full exhaust system + remapped..

And my shitbox stripped 8v with a full system + 1.1 gearbox kept upto him to 0-100mph! Which he was pissed at. The difference really wasn't worth the 2k!

We did this 'test' 3 times so it wasn't unfair, eg me getting on power before him. Same outcome..

And he got <40miles from £10 of fuel, whereas I got 70 from my £10 (harsh driving).

Just to add to his anger, he later sold the car after less than a year of having it with the mod's for £500.

Going to put a nitrous kit on my 8v very soon, which I will simply take off and re-fit to my next car.

Team 8v ftw!

Hang on, so a GTI putting out around 140-150bhp against a standard VTR with a 1.1 gearbox and you think you kept up with him to 100mph?

Once the GTI hit 60 he should have easily pulled away from you unless he was driving like a granny or his engine was fubared

Bollocks

9th July 2011, 15:46

Seriously.

He was SLIGHTLY pulling away, he pulled no more than 5 car length's 0-100.. worth 2k?

And yeah, standard cam, full system and 1.1 box + stripped. The gearbox made the difference imo, and I can assure you off the noise of that GTI, he was not driving like a granny! He even said to me he was very surprised..

I do understand that on track, he would of cained me, due to the much more usable power band.. however 0-100 it was a different story.

I'm not a spotty teen who makes story's up to impress my mates..

9th July 2011, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

Hang on, so a GTI putting out around 140-150bhp against a standard VTR with a 1.1 gearbox and you think you kept up with him to 100mph?

Once the GTI hit 60 he should have easily pulled away from you unless he was driving like a granny or his engine was fubared

Bollocks

agree my mates got a boddied gti my vtr is standard other than breather mods and he leaves me from the off (i dont drive like a bitch either trackdays a big hobby o mine)

9th July 2011, 16:01

Im guessing its a nice example. If so, Sell for around 2k and buy an Ep3. You will not be happy with the gains you get from pouring money into it.

9th July 2011, 16:02

Believe what you want lol.

I had less weight and shorter gearbox ratio.. It make's more difference than you might think.

He was on standard inlet too.

9th July 2011, 17:31

t bodies cams exhuast induction job done

13th July 2011, 00:18

Right i read half of the things and cba to read them all personal opinion of doing this is.

Full supersprint with mani

CDA or simota Forced air induction

Cams pulleys

Raised Rev Limiter

Remap

Near on 150-160 BHP if im not mistaken

13th July 2011, 00:37

Not on std cams, keep the standard pulleys and fit 708/ph3 ect then you should see about that

13th July 2011, 02:42

std cams?

13th July 2011, 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG

std cams?

Standard cams

You won't get 150bhp from the mods listed above unless you upgrade the Cams

To get that amount of power, budget for £1000-£1500

13th July 2011, 08:29

A 1.1 box ent a great box is not short than any others!!! No ma gearbox is short ratio as such... But people need to get it out of there heads that 1.1 box are a quick box.

And sound like that engine was not working well as even with your vtr strip out would still not be that close.

What power was the vts?

To get the most out of a n/a Saxo you will need a good drive tran also really to be fair no ma gearbox is any good!!

As the ratios drove the rev to much so most body vts drop out the power band.

13th July 2011, 09:26

Sandy Brown GSXR Itb's

catcam 708's

Predator ecu

Good exhaust system.

13th July 2011, 09:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by J222JRA

Sandy Brown GSXR Itb's

catcam 708's

Predator ecu

Good exhaust system.

Killer set up, get saving me thinks

13th July 2011, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

Standard cams

You won't get 150bhp from the mods listed above unless you upgrade the Cams

To get that amount of power, budget for £1000-£1500

Ohh cheers and there was a guy with a dyno printout to prove 154.7 bhp i saw not long ago and this is what mine has done and i meant piper cams and vurneer pulleys aswell? if you can get them :/

Im not great with mechanicals

13th July 2011, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by J222JRA

Sandy Brown GSXR Itb's

catcam 708's

Predator ecu

Good exhaust system.

+1 on this.

This is a set up I would die for

13th July 2011, 15:53

Hmm 154 bhp without cams?? That be one of them happy dyno's again....

13th July 2011, 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndySAXO

Hmm 154 bhp without cams?? That be one of them happy dyno's again....

No with cams mate

13th July 2011, 20:15

So much shit in this thread tbh.....

Depends what you want from the car.

Instead of bodies you could spend the money on a diffed 1.4xsi box and have fun in a straight line and corners. There's loads of valuables, having to re fill a nos bottle IMO isn't a great option.

13th July 2011, 20:29

As Ryan said, get a gear box, modify it for straights and bends.

Lets face it, theres no where in the UK where you can 'Floor it' (Unless on track... which nos would be useless)

Ryan, would Cams and a diffed 1.4 Xsi box make a big differnce to a VTR?

13th July 2011, 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by logic_guy

As Ryan said, get a gear box, modify it for straights and bends.

Lets face it, theres no where in the UK where you can 'Floor it' (Unless on track... which nos would be useless)

Ryan, would Cams and a diffed 1.4 Xsi box make a big differnce to a VTR?

Personally I dont see a point in caming an 8v.

Cost of cam + pulley (8v stock ones are not adjustable) + remap might aswell fit a 16v engine and be done with.

I'm all for power (hence the engine I have) but if you are on a 2k budget like the op has then there are ways to have a good drivable car for less than the price of tbs etc..

13th July 2011, 20:38

do not turbo unless you have more than 2grand to spend, for a reliable setup at least. and not being able to use your car for about 2 months aswell as being able to fit it your self.

if i were you get it cammed and on throttle bodies.

much less hassle for the little of a gain your after.

13th July 2011, 21:00

[QUOTE=AndySAXO;5438685]A 1.1 box ent a great box is not short than any others!!! No ma gearbox is short ratio as such... But people need to get it out of there heads that 1.1 box are a quick box.

And sound like that engine was not working well as even with your vtr strip out would still not be that close.

It transformed the car! Definitely better than the VTR box i had on.

And to keep people happy, ok the engine was fucked. Even though it's still driving around in perfect working order. Or could put it down to driver.. but it's on a straight, so no skill needed.

And honestly, it was close! I wouldn't lie. As said he SLIGHTLY pulled away.. not worth the extra fuel and 2k imo.

13th July 2011, 21:26

1.4Sxi boxes are the onces to get. Rare to get hold of one.

Failing that, a VTS box would do, its a stronger differental)

14th July 2011, 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by kitney

Im guessing its a nice example. If so, Sell for around 2k and buy an Ep3. You will not be happy with the gains you get from pouring money into it.

right answer.

1.5k - 2k from sale of saxo. + 2k saved up for mods = ep3 / clio 1*2cup money.

both have more power than youd get from 2ks worth of mods on a saxo
both handle equally well / better
both are nicer to sit in as a daily than the saxo.
both come with better luxuries than the saxo
both will be smoother to drive than a cammed saxo.
both (well, the ep3) is more reliable than a saxo.

/winning.

14th July 2011, 13:16

Id side with ryan on this

8-900 on a proper box build with a diffvwill make a better differance than any power mods for the money

The rest on brakes and a racelan mani/kam exhaust youll be about as good as youd get fir 2k

14th July 2011, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashleyp

right answer.

1.5k - 2k from sale of saxo. + 2k saved up for mods = ep3 / clio 1*2cup money.

both have more power than youd get from 2ks worth of mods on a saxo
both handle equally well / better
both are nicer to sit in as a daily than the saxo.
both come with better luxuries than the saxo
both will be smoother to drive than a cammed saxo.
both (well, the ep3) is more reliable than a saxo.

/winning.

Shame that the thread title was 'more power' and not, should I sell up and buy something else.....

14th July 2011, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

Shame that the thread title was 'more power' and not, should I sell up and buy something else.....

which is why i provided a way to get more power

anyway. for people suggesting cams and boddies etc, for 2k, really?

cams - £300ish
boddies - ?
remap - ?
thats before exhaust / intake etc (depending on if the OP has any of that)
labour - ?

all for 2k?

14th July 2011, 14:36

Intake in the bodies price... You could just about do it maybe a little more than 2 k

At power bodies 1000
Predator 500 and mapped
Cams 300
Exhaust system about 300 quid raceland mani supersprint

So could just about do it or get sandy brown bodies and think that abut cheaper than at power bodies.

14th July 2011, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndySAXO

Intake in the bodies price... You could just about do it maybe a little more than 2 k

At power bodies 1000
Predator 500 and mapped
Cams 300
Exhaust system about 300 quid raceland mani supersprint

So could just about do it or get sandy brown bodies and think that abut cheaper than at power bodies.

so, before factoring labour (if the OP isn't willing to do it himself) thats closer to £3k. pretty expensive for the gains imo

14th July 2011, 14:38

Depends also if you fit the cams yourself and also would get new followers.

The op question I think was more power on a Saxo as this is Saxo forum.

But could just go buy a different car yes... And if that what people want to do then great go do it happy days

14th July 2011, 14:41

Depends also if you fit the cams yourself and also would get new followers.

The op question I think was more power on a Saxo as this is Saxo forum.

But could just go buy a different car yes... And if that what people want to do then great go do it happy days

14th July 2011, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashleyp

so, before factoring labour (if the OP isn't willing to do it himself) thats closer to £3k. pretty expensive for the gains imo

Check your maths...

1k+500+300+300

2100 so nearer 2 id say
And colin/sandy bodies iirc are more like 750-800 so theres 1900

Yes labour on top adds up but 50 quid per hp tbh id be happy wit

14th July 2011, 15:09

Also

Clio 182 at 1090kg is 165hp/ton ish

Saxo on itbs at 940 is 165hp/ton ish

So hmmmmmm i see your point the clio is faster....

14th July 2011, 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB

Check your maths...

1k+500+300+300

2100 so nearer 2 id say
And colin/sandy bodies iirc are more like 750-800 so theres 1900

Yes labour on top adds up but 50 quid per hp tbh id be happy wit

Yes, i can see it works out as £2100.

But if were to get really pedantic:

- new cambelt
- petrol to get to a mapping centre
- labour
- probably a few more bits.

the above could quite easily take it above £2500, which, unless you need to check your maths is closer to £3000.

Regardless, the gains from boddies on top of cams (unless going PH4 upwards) are minimal for the extra £1000 or so being spent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB

Also

Clio 182 at 1090kg is 165hp/ton ish

Saxo on itbs at 940 is 165hp/ton ish

So hmmmmmm i see your point the clio is faster....

Well done, you can compare a modded car to a standard one.

Also, an elipses consits of 3 fullstops, not 4. Just a thought seeing as we're getting pedantic.

14th July 2011, 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashleyp

Yes, i can see it works out as £2100.

But if were to get really pedantic:

- new cambelt
- petrol to get to a mapping centre
- labour
- probably a few more bits.

the above could quite easily take it above £2500, which, unless you need to check your maths is closer to £3000.

Regardless, the gains from boddies on top of cams (unless going PH4 upwards) are minimal for the extra £1000 or so being spent.

Well done, you can compare a modded car to a standard one.

Also, an elipses consits of 3 fullstops, not 4. Just a thought seeing as we're getting pedantic.

cambelt 40 quid
Fuel iirc andy comes to you
other bits well ats use standard rail standard fuel line standard throttle cable so not really no

Im notbeing pedantic im fed up of reading buy a clio any time someone asks about power mods

Its not just you theres several on here who do it and tbh its irrelevant and not nessecary

14th July 2011, 15:41

Id sort the handling and brakes first. Should make it fun and then work on the engine