toyo r888 not cut slick

13th August 2011, 15:29

looking for slicks for the car at the moment (7x15" rim), thinking r888 are a good tyre but why dont they offer them as an uncut full slick?

anyone agree these would sell.

13th August 2011, 16:34

Nope as there E marked for road use.

You can't have slicks on the road so it is just a race tyre and there are already better slick tyre's than Toyo

13th August 2011, 17:24

hi lee, i mean as a pure track tyre as im looking for slicks.

i can only find silverstone ftz full slicks in an 15" £144 each delivered. not too bad but a new tyre and not the reputation of the 888.

13th August 2011, 18:27

It only has its rep due to the road tire aspect of it.

Silverstones will out perform R888's as will any slick TBH

Cant say as I have looked for slicks recently, but last time I did there were some nice but expensive Yoko's

13th August 2011, 19:09

An r888 amd a slick are pretty different an r888 compound iirc would be a pretty hard one for a slick and the fact a lot of the r888 is designed to get am e mark which a slick would never achieve means you may aswell buy full slicks

Im looking do possibly downsize my wheels and brakes to allow cheaper slicks and save some unsprung weight

266mm high specs and some 14s with r888s and a set of 13s with full slicks on as can get used ones pretty cheap relatively easily

13th August 2011, 21:49

im looking to go onto 225 wide tho, not sure if i can with smaller wheels, know how u feel about the price on 15" tyres

ive heard them medium compound silverstones slicks wear very quickly at £600 im a little cautious on them.

13th August 2011, 23:49

Why do you feel the need to go 225 wide?

At cost of ruining the handling for possibly more grip?

I run 215s on the back of my MR2 and cant say I struggle and its throwing nigh on 300 bhp threw its back wheels

13th August 2011, 23:56

there is also a reason i havnt gone any wider, as it will possibly disturb the handling, id like to try it but dont fancy spending £200 a tyre for me not to go any faster.

14th August 2011, 08:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by loudandproud205

Why do you feel the need to go 225 wide?

At cost of ruining the handling for possibly more grip?

I run 215s on the back of my MR2 and cant say I struggle and its throwing nigh on 300 bhp threw its back wheels

seen a few of the civic lads doing so, even with the atb and 195 888s i get wheelspin in 3rd at times on track, more rubber, more grip, less slip.

lee your rears may have 300 but my fronts are steering braking and putting power down

if theyre killing the handling then i will sell on.

14th August 2011, 08:58

Hmm I can get you a set of silverstone tryes at 480 a set.

The silverstone tryes are nothing like a 888, totally different silverstone have alot stiff sidewalls.

And the tread wear on there silverstone tyres is 40!!!!

So will wear out alot faster, and sue to the compound they are more a hill climb sprint trye.

But the grip they give is so much better than other semi slicks,

14th August 2011, 09:06

Look on the website service and sport at the mag about the silverstone tryes vs the rest.

14th August 2011, 09:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndySAXO

Hmm I can get you a set of silverstone tryes at 480 a set.

The silverstone tryes are nothing like a 888, totally different silverstone have alot stiff sidewalls.

And the tread wear on there silverstone tyres is 40!!!!

So will wear out alot faster, and sue to the compound they are more a hill climb sprint trye.

But the grip they give is so much better than other semi slicks,

yes 40 very soft! thank you for the offer

14th August 2011, 11:21

Wider tyres doesnt nessecerily mean more tyre contact patch....

The fact you just have more hub weight means itll stuggle with handeling

14th August 2011, 12:10

input welcome

so keeping it about 200 wide what full slicks are there?

avon cant find any!
silverstone hear they wear very quickly

...

888 ao48 the only tyres readily available that last?

14th August 2011, 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

input welcome

so keeping it about 200 wide what full slicks are there?

avon cant find any!
silverstone hear they wear very quickly

...

888 ao48 the only tyres readily available that last?

try southshore tyres in blackpool

or ears motorsport

my mate runs a rally team and buys lots of different compounds from southshore tyes

http://www.hankookmotorsport.com/products.asp?id=6

z209 come in 3 different compounds ,all depends how much u wanna pay fella

even something like this will give u more grip than ao48 o888

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195-50-15-...item2a0ac5afaf

15th August 2011, 11:48

mate, most full slick/race tryes will wear faster than say 888, or a048, as they use hard compounds due to been using on the road too.

the silverstone type RR i use, which is there cut slick, can be using on the road but really i would advice not to.

this is due to the way the tyre is made and is full steel constuction, and wear faster than others.

they offer alot more grip that all the other, but the down side is the wear rate. but i had two track days, and few laps of the ring, still have some life left in them, say a good two more track days.

that is the T5 compound which is the medium.

i might go for the hard compound which i believe has a tread wear of 70.

i can get all the silverstone tryes for 480. that the ones i use and there full slick.

i will gettiing a set of the full slick next year to give them ago.

they did tell me, that really there not much between the cut slick vs the slick, there is a bit,

this is because the silverstone type RR tyre is made from a full race compound and construction. so are alot stiff than the likes are a048, 888,

but for the price the federal 595 rsr would be a very good trye, alot of people say these grip just aswell as 888, maybe abit better.

i tryed both the silverstone and 595. the silverstone holds on alot better, and turning in on the silverstone due to the stiff sidewalls, is alot better.

hope that helps.

also looking at the hankook tyres in the post above the z211 have same tread wear as the type RR.

15th August 2011, 13:03

it always a big trade off between grip and wear rate

15th August 2011, 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywiddss1

it always a big trade off between grip and wear rate

yer i know, i was just pointing it out to op saying about wear rate...

but it is expensive, i plan to get some sliverstone full slicks, and get some federals also for next year.

and use the full slicks at points on track days, and use the federals as my main tryes as like people say it expensive if they wear fast so to get life out of my tryes might do it that way.

just an option for him.

15th August 2011, 13:59

a set of full slicks in hard will last longer on trackdays than pretty much most of any of the trackday tyres.

15th August 2011, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

a set of full slicks in hard will last longer on trackdays than pretty much most of any of the trackday tyres.

your opinion or heard from others?

im considering the silverstone hard ftz. not sure if my cars too light to work them.

15th August 2011, 18:29

yer that is one of the problems is getting the heat into the compound to get it to grip up fully.

i can talk to the people who are the main supplier for these tryes to see what they say about the hard compound.

15th August 2011, 19:04

do so

16th August 2011, 08:05

To be fair even the hard compound on the silverstone softer than the 888 I think.

I will give Them a ring some point this week, busy today and tomorrow, but they wanted me to ring them after my trqck day tomorrow at snetertton, to see how it went.

16th August 2011, 08:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

your opinion or heard from others?

im considering the silverstone hard ftz. not sure if my cars too light to work them.

I used to help run a race
Series and hill climb cars so I know from personal experience

16th August 2011, 08:26

To be fair even the hard compound on the silverstone softer than the 888 I think.

I will give Them a ring some point this week, busy today and tomorrow, but they wanted me to ring them after my trqck day tomorrow at snetertton, to see how it went.

16th August 2011, 08:33

Danny these are a hill climb sprint tyre the silverstone type RR, so they don't like doing long runs.

They will last long if you use them correctly, not going out longer than 15 mins at a time.

If they are ran too long they start to kill the rubber which wear them faster.

The harder compound will work better if you plan to run for longer say 30 mins.

But hill climb and sprints racing is shorter, which is what these are best for.

Due to the way these heat up and work they grip up straight away and offer so much grip and turning in too due to the construction, which make them a very good sprint hill climb trye.

They are used in a closed competion track racing. But the races are only 15 mins long.

So if you get medium compound can only really do 15 mins at a time

Harder compound should work better on longer runs if that what you do.

I'll ring them get them to email me all the informationon the trye.

I not a trye expert so I get some better information on them.

16th August 2011, 10:07

Ok danny

nice work there andy keep info coming

16th August 2011, 10:40

I know enough about tyres and their degradation Andy

Trust me, if you want a tyre purely for trackday use and want serious grip, grip that even the best road legal can give then get a hard compound slick.. I guarantee they will last you ages. The only reason people in Motorsport go through tyres is they need they need to save that 2 tenths a new slick gives.

16th August 2011, 10:51

Danny never said you didn't, just stating what I have been told.

Yer I know harder Full slick will last longer, it all down to the compound rubber that is used on that trye.

I used the medium compound because they didn't know if I could get the hard compound to work on a light Saxo.

But the way the medium is heating on mine I think there be no problem with there hard compound slick tyre.

16th August 2011, 12:11

Andy your saying £480 for full slick hard compound. Delivered

16th August 2011, 13:31

I wi double check that the price for the type rr ones, I used they said I can have the wet the semi slick and slick at the same price.

16th August 2011, 13:48

Alright mate.

He tells me that the harder compound is an endurance compound that is used in the far east for 24 hour races.

Would have to spend more time warming them up than say others.

The medium which is the one I have is the race compound so wear faster Basiclly he said if you do long section on a track day, that the hard will last longer and be the one to go for

If you defo want a set they are going to double check but 480 delivery for four is the price.

Pm me if your intrested.

29th January 2012, 16:43

i ve exprienced only the hard componds s9b from michelim .

they hard to get to ideal temperature but yes they are suited for endurance circuit racing...

they manteined good all over the way...the r888 tyres are very good on rain and heavy rain.

dont even compare the performance off the two tires theres alot off difrence.

at local timeattack events some even proibits the slicks--"because off big advantage..."

iff we talking abaut 15 diameter tyres ...not a fortune they cost

1270EUROS the set off 4 tyres..is this a lot for full race set off tyres??

Bruno the L-plater..

VRUMMMMMM....

29th January 2012, 16:57

I know that 911 cup tyres are soft compound slicks for short races. These are only optimum for about an hour of running (in total, not solid time). After which they start to blister and the shoulders rub off. This drops about a second off of a brands hatch indy time! and at £1200 a set slicks can get quite expensive. The other tyres i have run are dunlop slicks for 24 hour racing. these really put up well to the abuse but we still didn't double stint them much. At hour and a half of running at most they did pretty well. ended up going through 72 tyres lol. But i guess the main point here is that as soon as slicks go past their limit of heat cycles etc the performance really drops off compared to an e marked semi slick

29th January 2012, 17:20

hi...

i ve not the same opnion...

for saxo , i mean for a a very light car ,the hard compond slick will last a lot more than r888...

we do 25 minutes x7 times at eatch trackday ...should last a full season it near optimum condicion.

how many trackday you make whith the one set off r888...less !!
how good are realy the r888 at 5 or 6 full trotlle lap?? bad they overheat you to manage very hell

dont take me wrong i love r888, for rain useage.

29th January 2012, 17:35

I was stating that once slicks go past their limit their performance really does drop off compared to a road tyre that will slowly degrade and it's performance in a similar manner.
a whole season? jesus that's good going

29th January 2012, 17:37

Try the Silverstone ones and see how you get on?

What torsion bars size do you use Mr sexy_gt? Raising the rear end a bit will help to reduce wheelspin.

I can launch off the line with no wheelspin on slicks. (see my sig)

29th January 2012, 17:37

ill post here a video off r888 at rain at AIA portimao algarve.

http://youtu.be/OLvQ_eNx4p8

mine is the blue one...very bad coilover setup.

29th January 2012, 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

Try the Silverstone ones and see how you get on?

What torsion bars size do you use Mr sexy_gt? Raising the rear end a bit will help to reduce wheelspin.

I can launch off the line with no wheelspin on slicks. (see my sig)

standard bars, im happy with tyres, tried r1r in the wet at cadwell last time out, impressed!

29th January 2012, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

standard bars

That'll be why your wheelspinning so much.

29th January 2012, 20:52

Power on,rear end drops front lifts so loss of traction?

29th January 2012, 21:18

Maybe little off subject but the r888 only come in in 185/60 r14, just wondering if they fit as there 300 a set an the ad048 in 14's are right profile 50, but are Over 400 a set?

Cheers

29th January 2012, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

Power on,rear end drops front lifts so loss of traction?

Pretty much, weight transfer & all that.

What lb are your front springs?

1st February 2012, 17:21

155 lbs,

1st February 2012, 17:21

mark r888 are a better tyre imo

1st February 2012, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

mark r888 are a better tyre imo

hmm, your 1st person ive heard say that, what do you prefer to the r888's?

bit late now got a brand new set of a048's delivered yestoday

1st February 2012, 18:20

check your post typo, ado48. i know of a ad08 tyre thought you was refering to that. its more of a road tyre...

however, ive never ran a048 myslef.

i do like my r888 tho.

i have also used r1r toyo and found them to be great in damp conditions.

1st February 2012, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

check your post typo, ado48. i know of a ad08 tyre thought you was refering to that. its more of a road tyre...

however, ive never ran a048 myslef.

i do like my r888 tho.

i have also used r1r toyo and found them to be great in damp conditions.

just noticed i put it on here to

. sorry ment the a048's.

i was looking at a set of r1r toyos for damp/wet and keep these for try but there only in 15's... and ideal wont to keep all my sets at 14's. even though i do have a set of 15's speedline comp2's knocking about... hmm

1st February 2012, 18:53

r1r are well priced for a 15, so are the federal rsr's. im going to be using the r1r for snetterton on the 12th feb.

1st February 2012, 20:57

go slick....

2nd February 2012, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

155 lbs,

For track use (only?) your car is rather soft, i'm thinking 250lb + & 23mm bars for a track car...

If you fit slicks stiffer still.

2nd February 2012, 17:56

its track only, but i say this i do drive to the track, somethime for 3 hrs at a time.

im quite happy for now, im building a charged engine, ask me then lol

rear bars are on the to do list. will only go to 21mm to start with, dont want a drastic change as its great as it is.

2nd February 2012, 18:23

Your wasting your time with 21's, 23's are still soft.

2nd February 2012, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

Your wasting your time with 21's, 23's are still soft.

i hear what your saying but i may try a test in a mates car first if i can, said the same about a charger, bought the whole car lol.

2nd February 2012, 21:11

I have run the following tyres on track on various cars....

Yoko A048
Toyo R888
Toyo T1R
Toyo T1S
Federal 595RSR
Federal FZ201 (road legal semi slick)
Dunlop SLicks

IMO A048's win hands down on everything apart from Cost. Slicks bring another dimension but unless you're competing I wouldn't bother. I spent nearly £600 on 13" slicks for my Metro vtec and the grip was good, but not twice as good as the £300 Yokos.

Yokos are not great on the road but amazing on track in ALL conditions apart from lots of standing water.

In the wet, they still work well as long as you get decent temp into them.

Ive just bought Yokos for the Saxo and Ill be buying some 595 RSR's as the 2nd set as they're better than Yokos and 888's in the wet and pretty good on the road.

Thats my input!

2nd February 2012, 21:50

But they are worth twice as much if you are on track for a while. ANY e marked tyre just overheats after any significant use. The slicks will be more durable if kept up to temperature

2nd February 2012, 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamskiTNR

But they are worth twice as much if you are on track for a while. ANY e marked tyre just overheats after any significant use. The slicks will be more durable if kept up to temperature

I disagree tfrom what I personally have experienced. Ive had A048's that have done well over 200 hard laps and been ok, not great, but ok.

The slicks that I have used 'go off' after half of that and my Dunlop actually failed on me....at over 100mph round Island Bend at OUlton. Not a very nice experience! lol

I personally dont think that the extra money is justified if you are only doing track days.

A whole manner of extra stresses and strains are put on your car when running slicks that a standard' ish road/track car cant handle without hiccups.

2nd February 2012, 22:09

Oh i totally agree on the cost aspect, slicks are insanely costly to run. But running a properly chosen slick compound and using it as it was intended, so warming a hard endurance compound up gradually and not pushing it past it's limits doing qualy laps every lap then they really do last well. Not at their optimum, but the secondary compound will go on for a good while

2nd February 2012, 22:14

Avon ACB10's are my road tyre of choice... if you need to run a road tyre?

4th February 2012, 10:02

You definitely need bigger bars, I didnt get any wheel spin with circa 160bhp and r888's. Also on the front I run 250lb springs with 22mm bars and I love the set up, not to hard for "hilly" tracks like cadwell & donnington with lots of undulation, which I know you do often

5th February 2012, 09:38

Considering my small amount of using decent tyres i prefer my AO48s on the saxo to my r888s so far but i might do a direct test one day however im using 14" AOs and 15" 888s

Oy thing ive found the AOs dont like is snow haha

5th February 2012, 10:21

Only things with r888's in 14's are they onli come in 60 profile. But are quite a lot cheaper than the a048's

5th February 2012, 13:32

Ive had both a048s and r888's, both in 15inch, I'd say the a048's edge it but not by the amount of the extra cost

5th February 2012, 18:10

I forgot you ran AOs years back lol

The cost difference iirc isnt that great anymore from what someone said a while back??

5th February 2012, 19:43

They seem to have got a bit different recently, 15's are about £114ea for 888's and about £150ea for Yokos.

I managed to buy a pair of 2nd hand but new with stickers Yokos for £200 so it brought the price of four right down to £500 instead of £600.

Not looking forward to driving it to my mates garage tomorrow on them though.....should be a tad tail happy to say the least!

5th February 2012, 19:57

Yeah... careful of that gel preserve agent!

6th February 2012, 16:31

i got my set of a048 brand new for about 350posted.... r888 were about 300.

6th February 2012, 18:56

Is that in 15inch mark?

28th February 2012, 20:29

This is what you want.

28th February 2012, 20:32

whats your wet choice dave?

28th February 2012, 20:59

Avons choice or regs?

How are they?

28th February 2012, 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

whats your wet choice dave?

Why does everyone ask that?

Avon slick in the wet... or ACB10's. water runs down hills unlike on flat circuits.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtectransplant

Avons choice or regs?

How are they?

Choice...although they are sponsoring the British hillclimb c'ship this year.

Only really used them once, the grip is awesome, hillclimb compound (A15) so very soft.

28th February 2012, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

Why does everyone ask that?

Avon slick in the wet... or ACB10's. water runs down hills unlike on flat circuits.

Choice...although they are sponsoring the British hillclimb c'ship this year.

Only really used them once, the grip is awesome, hillclimb compound (A15) so very soft.

Aah ok cool. Was talking to a guy t'other day about hill climb slicks. I never even thought about the fact that they need to 'come on' in about 50 yds and only need to be 'on' for a short blast.

Different altogether to circuit needs!

28th February 2012, 21:29

They need to be "on" right from the start, that why were allowed to warm our tyres before the start line. (see my sig)

28th February 2012, 21:37

lol...nice.

What sort of pressures do you run, on a 'normal' run. If there is such a thing!

28th February 2012, 21:43

I ran 18psi last time out.

28th February 2012, 21:52

Interesting. Hope to see this in the flesh.

28th February 2012, 21:54

Where's your nearest hillclimb?

28th February 2012, 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

Where's your nearest hillclimb?

Prescott probably....

29th February 2012, 09:53

I'll be there at the end of April.

29th February 2012, 11:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

I'll be there at the end of April.

Beltin', see ya there!

1st March 2012, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

Why does everyone ask that?

Avon slick in the wet... or ACB10's. water runs down hills unlike on flat circuits.

Choice...although they are sponsoring the British hillclimb c'ship this year.

Only really used them once, the grip is awesome, hillclimb compound (A15) so very soft.

i ask because you claim to know "this is what you want"

i use r1r as of late for wet, proper wet that is!

3rd March 2012, 17:41

hi dave .

how mutch for the 4 avon slick s ???

theres are a harder compond??

3rd March 2012, 18:42

About £1100 delivered, these are A15 hillclimb compound but others are available.

http://www.bmtr.co.uk/compounds.htm

3rd March 2012, 19:51

Fuckinghell^^^

3rd March 2012, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

Fuckinghell^^^

Ye, its a bitter pill to swallow.

They do stick to the track like shit to a blanket though.

I even managed a 8-10" stoppie one time my box went bang & locked up with the slicks fitted they grip so much!

3rd March 2012, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

Ye, its a bitter pill to swallow.

They do stick to the track like shit to a blanket though.

I even managed a 8-10" stoppie one time my box went bang & locked up with the slicks fitted they grip so much!

thanks for the price info dave...more or less the same as michelin slicks tyres.
maybe buy in medium to hard compound.

5th March 2012, 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave_p

ye, its a bitter pill to swallow.

They do stick to the track like shit to a blanket though.

I even managed a 8-10" stoppie one time my box went bang & locked up with the slicks fitted they grip so much!

thats worth man points!