1.3 rally head on a vtr?????

1. mike_ni L-plater Joined: Aug 2011 glenavy Posts: 31

   #1 29th August 2011, 15:16

   as above foke i can pick up a skip brow rally head off a 1.3 for good money. i want to no if it will fit my blacktop vtr? the head has had alot of work done to it ported and over sized inlet valves (will try to find a pic)
   
   cheers in advance
2. mike_ni L-plater Joined: Aug 2011 glenavy Posts: 31

   #2 29th August 2011, 15:24

   
   
3. mike_ni L-plater Joined: Aug 2011 glenavy Posts: 31

   #3 30th August 2011, 00:30

   anyone????
4. mike_ni L-plater Joined: Aug 2011 glenavy Posts: 31

   #4 8th September 2011, 11:14

   bump
5. rhydstar Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Pontyclun Posts: 314 Furiooo

   #5 9th September 2011, 22:54

   not sure mate , i think it would i know some people do it cause its a good bhp gain , unsure weather its mk1/mk2
6. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

   #6 10th September 2011, 00:33

   pretty sure its common on 1.4? iirc 106 owners has a section on it (tuning + performance 8v thread?)
   
   cant see why not on an r, but wouldnt 16v head suit better?
7. Slugshead Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Cardiff Posts: 1087 1.4 Red Westcoast Mk2 Posi Blue VTS

   #7 10th September 2011, 00:34

   16v totally different so it wont fit
8. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

   #8 10th September 2011, 00:40

   oh ok, is it a different block then?
9. rhydstar Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Pontyclun Posts: 314 Furiooo

   #9 10th September 2011, 03:25

   yea 1 got 16v twin cam (GTI/VTS) 1 got 8v single cam (RALLYE/VTR/1.4)
   cammed vtr will keep up with a gti/vts , have more torque and better mpg, if u can get that head and build a lump it should be a revvver!
10. Slugshead Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Cardiff Posts: 1087 1.4 Red Westcoast Mk2 Posi Blue VTS

    #10 10th September 2011, 15:18

    yeah the 8v and 16v are only from the same series of engines (TU) but are in affect totally different
11. vtr_chris90 Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 nuneaton Posts: 1796 LY R26

    #11 10th September 2011, 16:02

    Yer the Rallye head will fit fine mate
    
    Everything should swap over ok from the Blacktop head.
    
    What cam are you using? Standard s1 Rallye cam?
    
    Also when setting tappets, you need to set them to the s1 Rallye spec because it's different to the blacktop vtr.
12. rhydstar Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Pontyclun Posts: 314 Furiooo

    #12 12th September 2011, 20:24

    try get the 1.3 rally inlet manifold , thats instant bhp!!
13. mike_ni L-plater Joined: Aug 2011 glenavy Posts: 31

    #13 13th September 2011, 10:48

    cheers fokes im pulling the head off my car this weekend as its leaking oil down the back of the block so il fire the rally head on and see how we get on
14. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #14 13th September 2011, 12:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vtr_chris90 Yer the Rallye head will fit fine mate Everything should swap over ok from the Blacktop head. What cam are you using? Standard s1 Rallye cam? Also when setting tappets, you need to set them to the s1 Rallye spec because it's different to the blacktop vtr.

    Arent they the same? my XSi head was 20/40 (like the vtr black tops) and the xsi head is essentially a rallye head I believe?
15. rhydstar Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Pontyclun Posts: 314 Furiooo

    #15 7th October 2011, 11:34

    what have you done to this now?
16. user_24390 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 North Wales Posts: 5576 Fabia VRS PD130/ VTR Mk2

    #16 12th October 2011, 12:53

    Didnt want to start a new thread for my question thats related to this thread:
    
    Would a S1 1.3 Rallye Head fit onto a 98bhp Silvertop VTR engine 2001??
    
    What else would i need for this to run??
    Loom, Inlet, Coilpack??
    
    Cheers
17. LegzVTR Newbie Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 27

    #17 12th October 2011, 13:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sams_VTR Didnt want to start a new thread for my question thats related to this thread: Would a S1 1.3 Rallye Head fit onto a 98bhp Silvertop VTR engine 2001?? What else would i need for this to run?? Loom, Inlet, Coilpack?? Cheers

    Im too interested in changing the head, and mine too is a 98hp silvertop, what power gains are you to expect?
18. logic_guy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2010 England Posts: 3423

    #18 13th October 2011, 00:03

    Iirc, it cant be done to the Silver tops, only the black tops. I can'#t remember the reason for it but i'm sure Mikol told me about this.
19. vtr_chris90 Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 nuneaton Posts: 1796 LY R26

    #19 14th October 2011, 22:31

    it can be fittd to silvertops because i have done it
    but you do have to chang alot of things
    
    is it worth the effort? no
    unless your planning onrunning a decent cam with other things then its not really worth the hassle
    id say just out a mild cam on your vtr, only benifit of using the head from a rallye/xsi is the fact you get a decent cam standard and you can use the 1.3 s1 rallye inlet thats it
    
    but then going through the hassle of that people will say just fit a16v it doesnt cost much more and you gain more.
20. Edek91 Newbie Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 7

    #20 8th January 2015, 17:54

    Hi, i know this is an old thread but what did you have to do to make a rallye head fit. I ask because i want to use an s1 rallye inlet on my 98bhp mk2 vtr.
21. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #21 8th January 2015, 18:25

    It'll fit physically no problem but you will want the loom splicing to take the rallye ecu as other wise it'll be crap. I did it to a 90bhp silvertop in a round about sort of way, never really run too brill on the vtr ecu
    
    
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22. Edek91 Newbie Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 7

    #22 8th January 2015, 19:10

    ok, i Dont really want to swap the loom. Are there any other inlets that fit that have better air flow that are not itb's.
23. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

    #23 8th January 2015, 20:24

    I don't think there is. You can get plenty of power out of the stock VTR inlet. If you are after anything more your best to go itb's or even 16v.
24. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #24 9th January 2015, 07:58

    no point in fitting rallye head uless you use cam as well ,then you need to remap to suit
    and if going that far other options might be better
    nosuch thig as a free lunch
25. Carllee10 Newbie Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 9

    #25 15th July 2015, 22:14

    Curious about this thread, im wanting to put a s1 rallye head on my 2000 plate vtr bottom end, so what other things need to be done to make it work? i have the full rallye engine, ecu, loom etc?
26. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #26 16th July 2015, 08:39

    thats it, if you are keeping everything from rallye such as loom ,ecu, inlet etc then it'll work without too many bodges however there are various things that need to be sorted such as a return line and loom splicing.
    a lot of effort really to build what will pretty much be a 1600 s2 rally unit as you wont be using the ali s1 block. Be better off fitting a vts unit tbh
27. Carllee10 Newbie Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 9

    #27 16th July 2015, 13:31

    Bump.........
28. Aksel Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Denmark Posts: 193 Mk2 VTR

    #28 17th July 2015, 21:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Carllee10 Curious about this thread, im wanting to put a s1 rallye head on my 2000 plate vtr bottom end, so what other things need to be done to make it work? i have the full rallye engine, ecu, loom etc?

    I believe head should fit without any trouble. I am running stock VTR 90hk engine block and head, with a rally 1,3 intake and a newman ph3 cam on the stock 1,6 vtr ECU.
    I have been driving with this setup for the last three years with no problems. It is a little lumpy on idle and in the winter it some times put on the engine fault lamp, with a error code conserning lambda regulation. This is because of the cam and the error code can be deleted and wont be back in a couple of months. This can be sorted with ECU mapping.
    
    This is my setup:
    2000 VTR 1,6 90HK
    Stock Engine
    Stock ECU
    Newman PH3 cam
    Adjustable cam pully
    Rallye 1,3 inlet and throttlebody
    CDA air filter
    Stock Map sensor (Adaptor for sensor is needed)
    Stock Throttle Pot (Adaptor bracket is needed)
    Rallye idle stepper motor
    Rallye air temp sensor
    Rallye throttlebody heater
    Sports Cat
    
    Hope that helps you out....?
29. Carllee10 Newbie Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 9

    #29 24th July 2015, 23:57

    same here as ive bought a 1.3 rallye head recently